# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!)

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**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\
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**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2461 "2007-04-11T23:20:21Z")

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Not to distract too much from the **Auto/FF** bandwagons (which I am happy to support but feel there’s no need to rush) but …

Ya think there’s anything to be gleaned from **FCOD** ’s false miller claim?

(I forgot about that one when I said in my above post that I was accepting all the role claims at face value.)

> [@FCOD](#):
>
> Well, shit! I come back from Easter to this?
> 
> I’m probably a goner at this point, but I’ll try to save myself.
> 
> I AM A MILLER.
> 
> This role kinda sucks. I knew pima was a cop since the beginning, as he kept FoSing me for no reason.
> 
> Anyway, I don’t really have a lot of time as I have to be up really early for work tomorrow. Lynching me won’t really help us find any scum…it’d be better to kill someone that isn’t possibly a Miller. Remember, Millers always show up as Mafia to cops (assuming their investigation is correct).
> 
> Anyway, I’ll just post my list of blocks and hope that I’m still alive in the morning.
> 
> Night 1 - I blocked Queuing. Since it didn’t affect the kills that night, he isn’t the SK or the Vig.  
> Night 2 - I blocked Malacandra. Since there were only two kills that night, I thought maybe I had hit something. As I’ve previously stated, I think having the Vig around right now is beneficial, so I didn’t say anything.  
> Night 3 - I blocked Malacandra a second time. Since the Vig killed Winston and the SK killed nesta, I conclude that Malacandra isn’t the Vig or SK.
> 
> It’s possible that Malacandra is in the Mafia and I blocked the Mafia kill on the second night, but I doubt it. I really have no way to prove anything, so I’ll just leave it at that. I am perfectly willing to use my ability as instructed by the town if I’m alive tomorrow.
> 
> –FCOD

Why would he say he blocked **Malacandra** twice? I don’t think he (Mal) has twigged my radar one way or another.

(Also in that post above, I kept saying “PM” meaning Pygmy Rugger, for no reason I can think of. Apologies to all for the confusion and to Pygmy Rugger in particular for totally and repeatedly messing up your name.)

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**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2462 "2007-04-12T00:02:56Z")

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Based on **pimaspinner** ’s analysis of **Autolycus** I looked up the post where he listed his suspicions ([post 1522](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8426322&postcount=1522)), and of the confirmed/claimed player-roles:

**Blaster Master** (vigilante): “I didn’t trust him earlier, but now I do. He’s either honest or the Godfather, IMO. Regardless he’s a major player in this drama, so whatever happens to him, solid information will come.”  
**chrisk** / **JSexton** (presumed Doctor): he’s guessing Mafia  
**Flying Cow of Doom** (Mafia): he guessed Mafia, but made a joke out of it (one that I made first, which proves **Auto** is a thief! 😃 ) to imply that it’s not a serious accusation–but perhaps something he could point at later to “prove” he was on the trail of the Mafia?  
**Gadarene** (town): firm accusation of him being Mafia  
**kivvik** (Mafia): had “???”  
**Menocchio** (strongly presumed town): godfather, but admitted he had no evidence  
**nesta** (Mafia): he guessed town  
**pimaspinner** (beat cop): he guessed Mafia  
**Pleonast** (Mason): wanted to say Mafia  
**Suburban Plankton** (Mafia): he wasn’t sure  
**Winston Smith** (townie): “Either mafia or a really dumb townie.”  
**zuma** (Mason): he didn’t know

Vague enough (“guessing Mafia”, “leaning town”) to be able to backpedal if needed. The only people he put strong opinions down for were **Queuing** as Mafia and **Rysto** as town (because _everyone_ was backing **Rysto** as town, probably, and to buck that trend would have been suspicious).

I think **pimaspinner** might be right. **Auto** was probably hoping to get investigated fairly early on due to the Mafia-speak and get vindicated as a simple (yet annoying) citizen.

Are we still holding off voting for **Autolycus** until he comes in?

I can still vig-kill Fern Forest, though.

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**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2463 "2007-04-12T00:05:20Z")

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[QUOTE=Kat]

Are we still holding off voting for **Autolycus** until he comes in?

[/QUOTE]

_waves_

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**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2464 "2007-04-12T00:11:04Z")

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[QUOTE=Autolycus]  
_waves_  
[/QUOTE]

He’s stalling people…:::crosses arms and taps foot on the floor::::…if he can’t come up with anything better than that, I’m all for getting the bus warmed up for his trip to the forbidden thread.

I want to hear from Fern Forest. He’s oddly silent. :::crickets chirping:::

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**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2465 "2007-04-12T00:15:05Z")

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Correction: Are we still holding off voting for Autolycus until he comes in _and defends himself_? Or is he waiting for us to hit 10 votes before he opens his mouth?

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**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2466 "2007-04-12T00:15:31Z")

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Yes, well, a few pages ago I said we need to look very, very closely at the people who desperately wanted \*\*JSexton \*\* dead. \*\*FCOD \*\* was the biggest, but that’s moot. So much for what I thought was my big contribution. [MadTheSwine](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8446329&postcount=2205) didn’t believe **JSexton** , but…it’s weak.  
I don’t believe \*\*Autolycus \*\* has any intention of posting a defense, since he keeps poking his head in here to increase his ratio of pointless to worthwhile posts. I am going to vote for him, but I don’t want the clock to start until \*\*FernForest \*\* chimes in.

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**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2467 "2007-04-12T00:15:59Z")

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[QUOTE=pimaspinner]  
He’s stalling people…:::crosses arms and taps foot on the floor::::…if he can’t come up with anything better than that, I’m all for getting the bus warmed up for his trip to the forbidden thread  
[/QUOTE]

Hold yer horses, I iz thinkin’

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**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2468 "2007-04-12T00:16:50Z")

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Oh,  
PS: Go town! That was a pretty thrilling post to see after a couple days’ downtime, no?

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**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2469 "2007-04-12T01:08:24Z")

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[QUOTE=Blaster Master]  
I agree, I think **Pygmy Rugger** , **Aguecheek** , and **Lakai** are higher on my scum-dar. Don’t get me wrong, I’m still quite suspicious of you, **glee** , but not as much as I am of those two.  
[/QUOTE]

I will agree with Lakai, and Aguecheek, but I forget the reasoning for Pygmy Rugger. Could anybody refresh my memory? (please? I don’t want to go through 50 pages!). I had no real feeling either way about glee, I just find it odd that scum were going after her. It seems like an easy place to throw a vote without any real danger of getting lynched. I find it odd that people just throw votes out. Sturhmhauke did the same thing with Nesta.

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**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2470 "2007-04-12T01:13:48Z")

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[QUOTE=cowgirl]  
Why would he say he blocked **Malacandra** twice? I don’t think he (Mal) has twigged my radar one way or another.  
[/QUOTE]

Personally, I think this is in favour of Malacandra. He was hoping that he would be believed, and not forced to test I suppose. He said me at first because of the large amount of distrust I had built up before the day 2 fiasco. He put Malacandra in there because he hadn’t been on any radars, and he knew he wasn’t scum. FCOD was hoping, I suppose, that he would live another night, that we would waste a cop investigation on someone who he knew wasn’t scum (and could have been SK for all he knew) thereby saving a cop investigation on a potential real scum. That is my read on it at least.

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**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2471 "2007-04-12T01:31:59Z")

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[QUOTE=Queuing]  
I will agree with Lakai, and Aguecheek, but I forget the reasoning for Pygmy Rugger. Could anybody refresh my memory? (please? I don’t want to go through 50 pages!).  
[/QUOTE]

The only time I remember **Pygmy Rugger** getting multiple votes was when he said that some people had posted that they were gonna be gone for a couple days. Someone noticed that they hadn’t and theorized that meant those people had posted such comments on the Mafia board and **PR** forgot which board he read them on.

I forget who the people were. And I don’t remember if that’s the only time he was suspected. And I’m not going through 50 pages of thread right now either.

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**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2472 "2007-04-12T01:34:46Z")

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Come to think of it, I don’t even remember if they were actual votes, or just a lot of vocal suspicion…

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**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2473 "2007-04-12T01:42:46Z")

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[QUOTE=Queuing]  
I will agree with Lakai, and Aguecheek, but I forget the reasoning for Pygmy Rugger. Could anybody refresh my memory? (please? I don’t want to go through 50 pages!). I had no real feeling either way about glee, I just find it odd that scum were going after her. It seems like an easy place to throw a vote without any real danger of getting lynched. I find it odd that people just throw votes out. Sturhmhauke did the same thing with Nesta.  
[/QUOTE]

It’s not important, but I’m a him!.

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**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2474 "2007-04-12T02:05:10Z")

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> [@Queuing](#):
>
> … but I forget the reasoning for Pygmy Rugger. Could anybody refresh my memory?

I’ll repost the reasoning for my suspicions about **Pygmy Rugger** from post 2439. I will add a summary (in case I wasn’t clear):

Remember when **Blaster Master** claimed and there was all kinds of chaos that led to two townies getting smoked? How did we decide on those two townies? **Pygmy Rugger** was just as suspicious as the rest of them in the beginning but somehow avoided the noose. I suspect he was one of those mafia laughing their heads off as the townies chased after our shadows.

Repost:

- Smoke and mirrors as outlined above [i.e. posts with lots of sound and fury but no accountable finger pointing]

- His role in that day of role claim craziness that ended with the conditional which took out two townies. Here is the vote count at post 1062, just before BM claimed:  
Quote:  
7- Blaster Master - (Queuing, hocow, pimaspinner, Pygmy Rugger, ArizonaTeach, Gadarene, Winston Smith)  
5- Pleonast - (Fern Forest, Fretful Porpentine, Kat, Lakai, Suburban Plankton)  
4- Pygmy Rugger - (MTS, FCoD, Menocchio, glee)  
4- Queuing (kivvik, StarvingButStrong, zuma, Pleonast)  
3- Gadarene -(Smitty,Blaster Master, nesta)

Note that Pygmy Rugger is right in there. Then BM claimed vigilante (post 1085) and all hell broke loose.

How did Pygmy Rugger get dropped from the suspicion list? There was no defense and no reasoning for unvoting him, but somehow he got unvoted and two townies got dead.

This is Suburban Plankton (known scum)'s outline of the options from here

Quote:  
There are four people who between them have made about a zillion and one posts “today”. Those people, along with their “primary suspects” are:  
Blaster Master: suspecting Gadarene and Queueing  
Gadarene: suspecting Blaster Master and Pleonast  
Queueing: suspecting Blaster Master and Pleonast  
zuma: suspecting JSexton, Gadarene, Queueing, and pimaspinner  
Why are Pygmy Rugger and for that matter Lakai left off that list? PM was doing plenty of pointing, and had much pointed at him, but he’s not in this roll-up. Lakai was more of a pointer than a pointee that day but he’s also not included among those who have made a “zillion and one” posts. Pygmy Rugger reposts this list shortly thereafter, perhaps to encourage people to forget that his name belongs there too?

- Here he says Blaster Master came up with the Vig conditional idea, which is untrue - StarvingButStrong did, here PM appears to me to be (a) building suspicion of BM and (b) supporting the idea that will lead directly to multiple townie deaths.

- This conditional (minus Pygmy Rugger, of course) is supported by Malacandra (status unknown) in #1266; FCOD (known scum) in #1268; and nesta (known scum) #1288 before any known or suspected townies jump in.

- And, on preview, his urgency to get Auto lynched today, and the day done, seems mighty funny to me.

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**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2475 "2007-04-12T02:05:28Z")

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[QUOTE=glee]  
It’s not important, but I’m a him!.  
[/QUOTE]

Hell, he’s already apologized for that!

[QUOTE=Queuing]  
Malacandra I promise I will never think you are a girl. For the rest of you (cowgirl excepted) I make no promises on your gender, and hereby apologize for that as well.  
[/QUOTE]

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**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2476 "2007-04-12T02:37:20Z")

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[QUOTE=cowgirl]

- His role in that day of role claim craziness that ended with the conditional which took out two townies. Here is the vote count at post 1062, just before BM claimed:  
Quote:  
7- Blaster Master - (Queuing, hocow, pimaspinner, Pygmy Rugger, ArizonaTeach, Gadarene, Winston Smith)  
5- Pleonast - (Fern Forest, Fretful Porpentine, Kat, Lakai, Suburban Plankton)  
4- Pygmy Rugger - (MTS, FCoD, Menocchio, glee)  
4- Queuing (kivvik, StarvingButStrong, zuma, Pleonast)  
3- Gadarene -(Smitty,Blaster Master, nesta)

Note that Pygmy Rugger is right in there. Then BM claimed vigilante (post 1085) and all hell broke loose.

How did Pygmy Rugger get dropped from the suspicion list? There was no defense and no reasoning for unvoting him, but somehow he got unvoted and two townies got dead.  
[/QUOTE]

Okay, I said I wasn’t gonna look at 50 pages, but since **cowgirl** gave me an ending point to start at, here’s the story of **Pygmy Rugger** ’s 4 votes:  
[Post 785](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8416961&postcount=785) referring to **glee** , **Winston Smith** and **storyteller0910** :

> [@Pygmy Rugger](#):
>
> IIRC, those three all said they had IRL obligations for the next 48 hours or so. I, myself, was gone on Wednesday, and it took me this long to get caught up enough to the point where I felt comfortable posting. Give 'em a day or two, I’m sure they’ll chime in soon enough. All three have had either a lot of posts, or succinct (sp) analysis to this point.

[Post 788](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8416994&postcount=788), he added:

> [@](#):
>
> I agree with most of your reasoning. However, it is a RPG (Role Playing Game), and just as some of us have roles in the game, all of us have roles IRL. I wasn’t able to vote on the first day because I had IRL obligations. Granted, my input most likely would not have changed any outcomes, but the game went on regardless. Just because those three are out of “town” for a couple days, visiting their grandmas or whatever, doesn’t mean we should hold up the entire game for them. Just like my IRL town doesn’t stop the presses when I’m out of town for a couple days.
> 
> That being said, I’m in favor of the 12 hour countdown, it only makes sence. Why should we cap an innocent without giving them a chance (and others the chance) to defend them fully. And give those in favor of said lynchings to change their minds. As has been said before, it only benefits the Mob to have flash judgements. Not to mention, I’m pretty sure the 12 hour thing has already been established.

Before those posts, **Pygmy Rugger** had no votes against him.

[Post 795](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8417052&postcount=795), zuma votes **Pygmy Rugger** , saying:

> [@zuma](#):
>
> Unbelievable. After all the damage the town suffered from a premature ending of day one, you want to do it again? There is nowhere near a concensus at this point, and we’re still waiting for chrisk’s replacement. Not to mention Winston Smith who pulled this stunt last time.

[Post 802](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8417237&postcount=802), **MadTheSwine** quotes post 785 and says “I have only read through the last 10 pages once …I don’t recall any one of them saying such a thing.Course I may have missed it.”  
and then in [post 860](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418321&postcount=860) votes for **Pygmy Rugger** , saying:

> [@MadTheSwine](#):
>
> Those three are glee,Winston Smith and storyteller0910.
> 
> I reviewed the thread starting at page 7.  
> The only one that said anything like he might be away was storyteller0910 and on top of that didn’t really say he was going to be away,just not able to add in depth analysis(Post 590).
> 
> storyteller0910 and my beloved Winston Smith both voted for Enfant.
> 
> Winston trusts storyteller in post 457
> 
> The point is… Pygmy got his threads confused and posted things here that were said in the Mafia thread.
> 
> I think these 4 goons need to be looked at,along with pimaspinner who defends all 4 of them in post 847.

In[post 871](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418435&postcount=871), **FCoD** votes for **Pygmy Rugger** , based on **MadTheSwine** ’s posts.

In [post 886](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418544&postcount=886), **Menocchio** votes for **Pygmy Rugger** , also based on **MadTheSwine** ’s posts.

Unless **glee** , **Winston Smith** and **storyteller** were _all_ Mafia, which we know is not true, **MadTheSwine** ’s theory was false. So, the only vote with valid reasoning behind it is **zuma** ’s.

Based on signal vs noise ratio, I’m more suspicious of **Autolycus** ’s posts right now than **Pygmy Rugger** ’s. Especially since **Auto** is refusing to make any sort of response.

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**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2477 "2007-04-12T02:39:49Z")

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[QUOTE=Kat]

Based on signal vs noise ratio, I’m more suspicious of **Autolycus** ’s posts right now than **Pygmy Rugger** ’s. Especially since **Auto** is refusing to make any sort of response.  
[/QUOTE]

Great’s logic ya got there, Playdoh. As fo’ my tight-lips: “I cook no swine before its time.”

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**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2478 "2007-04-12T02:45:34Z")

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I never claimed to be logical.

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**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2479 "2007-04-12T02:46:07Z")

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Thanks Kat. Geez, you try to make a blanket apology and then BAM! someone still gets offended! 🙂 Sorry, I will try to remember glee.

Thanks cowgirl. I mostly meant why BM suspected him, and how he garnered those 4 votes to begin with. I just don’t remember anything particularly about him/her that is all.

I am assuming that the rest of this day (however long we let it go on) will be used to hash out some more suspects and decide who pima at least should investigate? Not that we have to direct him/her. Hell he has done an excellent job so far!

Personally I don’t find his actions today to suspicious. I sort of want this day to end as well, just to get this game moving. I realize that it isn’t necessarily the best thing, and don’t want it to end today, but I really so no need to go past Friday at like noon or something. Plus ending it on Friday forces the scum to think about this game during the weekend, when it seems more people are unavailable. Any little advantage you know?

Waiting for Autolycus to make some sort of defense isn’t going to happen. At least I don’t think so. If he claims to be a miller we already know what to do. If he claims to be Doc, well to little to late for him. We kill him first, if it turns out he is the doc well JSexton comes next. If he claims to be GA there is no guarantee that role even exists. If he claims to be a vanilla citizen, we have killed our own before, no biggie if we do it again. So personally I don’t really care what he says, in my mind we have proven that he is the GF.

On preview, thanks Kat. If that is all it is, I really think we have better targets. Such as Aguecheek and lakai, not to mention glee and (IMO) sturmhauke.

My order of advice for investigations would be:

glee  
lakai  
aguecheek  
sturmhauke  
pygmy rugger

On further preview it seems Autolycus is trying to convince us he is the beat cop. Not buying it unless he names names right now.

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Personally I don’t find his actions today to suspicious. I sort of want this day to end as well, just to get this game moving. I realize that it isn’t necessarily the best thing, and don’t want it to end today, but I really so no need to go past Friday at like noon or something. Plus ending it on Friday forces the scum to think about this game during the weekend, when it seems more people are unavailable. Any little advantage you know?  
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To be clear the “he” this is referring to is Pygmy Rugger.

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