# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 132
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2621 "2007-04-12T23:32:42Z")
Wait, the day ends in half an hour? Awwww bummer. I guess I’ll start typin’ my farewell speech ☹ You guys are making a big mistake, but whatever… my death doesnt change anything except puttin’ one more corpse on the pile. At least I dont lose automatically like I thought, so I suppose there’s always a silver lining. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2622 "2007-04-12T23:36:37Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] Wait, the day ends in half an hour? [/QUOTE] NO, you have until 8pm Pacific time. So you have…more or less… 3.5 hours. Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2623 "2007-04-12T23:49:03Z")
I’ll ask again: What’s your justification for mistrusting **pima**? ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2624 "2007-04-12T23:55:15Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] I’ll ask again: What’s your justification for mistrusting **pima**? [/QUOTE] It’s just too good to be true. We’ve had people role-claiming all over the place, and everything seems to be fitting together so perfectly. From having played these games a lot in the past, I think it’s clear that somebody is BSing a role-claim and deceiving the town. Whether that’s Jsexton or Pimaspinner is unclear, but I do trust Blaster Master now, as he has proven himself over the past few days. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2625 "2007-04-13T00:08:22Z")
Ok, I grant you that (although \*\*FCOD’s \*\* claim was a lie, so maybe that’s the BS you were hinting at), but \*\*zuma \*\* and \*\*Pleonast \*\* turned out to be correct, no? So all you’re really saying is that you don’t trust \*\*JSexton \*\* and **pima**. And for your conspiracy to be true, then that means the mafia conspired to kill one of their own, **FCOD** , from damn near the beginning of the game. Now, if you’re town, and \*\*Fern Forest \*\* is town, then we might have a problem with **pima**. But I don’t see that happening. I guess I’d rather see something more substantial from you except “gut feeling.” The fact that you were defended by mafia early on, that your actions have been, by your own admissions, hindering the town, and the fact that a lot of people I trust seem to be lining up with the rope… Sorry dude, but…the odds of you being scum (maybe not even GF) are far, far greater than the odds of a conspiracy right now. You’ve got to see that. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2626 "2007-04-13T00:18:34Z")
[QUOTE=pimaspinner] I thought this was interesting. Maybe no meaning to it at all, but… People who have not voted for\*\* Autolycus:\*\* **Kat** [/QUOTE] Sorry, I did post that I was gonna be away for 12 hours today, and I didn’t want to vote beforehand in case **Auto** role-claimed. Lynch Autolycus. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2627 "2007-04-13T00:19:33Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] Ok, I grant you that (although \*\*FCOD’s \*\* claim was a lie, so maybe that’s the BS you were hinting at), but \*\*zuma \*\* and \*\*Pleonast \*\* turned out to be correct, no? So all you’re really saying is that you don’t trust \*\*JSexton \*\* and **pima**. And for your conspiracy to be true, then that means the mafia conspired to kill one of their own, **FCOD** , from damn near the beginning of the game. Now, if you’re town, and \*\*Fern Forest \*\* is town, then we might have a problem with **pima**. But I don’t see that happening. I guess I’d rather see something more substantial from you except “gut feeling.” The fact that you were defended by mafia early on, that your actions have been, by your own admissions, hindering the town, and the fact that a lot of people I trust seem to be lining up with the rope… Sorry dude, but…the odds of you being scum (maybe not even GF) are far, far greater than the odds of a conspiracy right now. You’ve got to see that. [/QUOTE] If **Fern Forest** and \*\*Autolycus \*\* both turn out to be town, I think I’m gonna have a problem with me too. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2628 "2007-04-13T00:36:09Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] That should be: Since I am being investigated tonight, would it make sense for me to try to defend myself today? Since I’m a townsman, it would be in the interest of the town to investigate someone else right? [/QUOTE] At the moment, you’re the only one not voting to lynch Autolycus. You may need to explain that later… ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2629 "2007-04-13T00:46:04Z")
I am going to go ahead and defend myself against **Blaster Master**. What I hope to get from this is that hopefully people will stop listening to him or his reasoning will get better. Remember, quality over quantity. [QUOTE=Blaster Master] Okay… let’s review then, shall we? Like **nesta** and **kivvik** , you failed to make a vote on day one. [/quote] I voted for Queuing on day one. > [@](#): > > You [voted to lynch **Pleonast**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8414759&postcount=636) with shaky reasoning. You point out the bandwagon from **Autolycus** to **Enfant Terrible** , and then say **Pleonast** is more suspicious for supporting and improved version of **chrisk** ’s idea? Why didn’t you just vote for **chrisk**? I did not vote for **chrisk** because I thought it would be better to vote from the list of people who voted for **Enfant Terrible**. > [@](#): > > A [defense of Autolycus](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8414795&postcount=638) (our current GF suspect); granted, it was against my faulty reasoning, and it was appropriately addressed by **zuma** later, but you made no attempt to address the reasoning. Why should I have addressed the reasoning when **zuma** did a good job of addressing it? > [@](#): > > Then you “reluctantly” [change your vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8415625&postcount=702) to **chrisk** , still pushing for **Pleonast** , when the whole reason you didn’t like **Pleonast** was because he supported **chrisk**. ??? Correct. Why are you so puzzled by this? I had a theory about **Pleonast** being in a network with other posters and I wanted to test it out by voting for him or any of the posters in the network. He was in a network with other posters, but it wasn’t exactly what I hoped. Still, when he and **Zuma** claimed I realized my mistake. > [@](#): > > Then you [change your vote back](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8417057#post8417057) to \*\*Pleonast \*\* and FOS me. > > Another [vague defense of **Autolycus**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8417794&postcount=828) and another FOS at me, **Pleonast** , **Storyteller** , and **sturmhauke**. Yes, I wanted to test out my theory so anyone that wasn’t in my network I did not want to lynch. > [@](#): > > Here’s an example of a [seemingly helpful but doesn’t really add anything post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418112&postcount=845). What is wrong with being helpful? > [@](#): > > Then you [defend **FCOD**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418517&postcount=883), and point the FOS at **Pleonast** and me again. I did not defend **FCOD** , I just said we could learn more if we vote for **Pleonast**. > [@](#): > > [And again…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422025&postcount=1064) Read this post again. It explains why I did everything I did on day two. > [@](#): > > Then you [switch your vote AGAIN](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422151&postcount=1068), this time to try and start the clock on me. Anyone of my suspects would have been fine. > [@](#): > > Then you [question why I role-claimed](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422833&postcount=1116). ??? No. I questioned why another Vig would counter claim you if you somehow weren’t the Vig. > [@](#): > > Then you [try](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422982&postcount=1133) and[again](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8423054&postcount=1143) to keep the FOS on me even after the plan was established to test my claim. It’s funny you should say that since in both those posts I defended your claim. I said twice that there is no way you can get away with your claim if you lied. > [@](#): > > Then you [support VIGing **Zuma**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424713&postcount=1315). Again, it was all about testing out my theory. At this point it became about testing **Pleonast’s** and your role claim as well. > [@](#): > > Then a [vague defense of **Aguecheek**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8434178&postcount=1779), another individual high on many people’s scum lists right now. I was really asking **Jsexton** for clarification on his reasoning. > [@](#): > > Then a [vote for **pimaspinner**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8435064&postcount=1794). > > Then you [FOS **pimaspinner** AGAIN](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8435209&postcount=1803), and essentailly support random FOSing. **Pimaspinner** was acting fishy and I called him on it. I voted to get his attention. That should be OK with you since you seem to think that anyone that defends himself without getting any votes is suspicious. That second post was in no way supporting random FOSing. What I said was we should question suspicious behavior. I assumed everyone would understand that I meant logically question suspicious behavior, I guess I was wrong. > [@](#): > > [This is your only vote for mafia](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8443291&postcount=2007), and only AFTER he was outed by **pimaspinner**. At least I got one right. 🙂 > [@](#): > > And after push the FCOD thing REALLY hard for several posts, you [claim we don’t have enough time to get the **Suburban Plankton** train going](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8446170&postcount=2194) and should just vote for **Fern Forest**. Who was equally suspicious at the time. I just did not want **Jsexton** to get killed because people would not vote collectively. We only had about five hours left. It appears people are following the thread more closely than I thought. > [@](#): > > So, what do I see in ALL of your posts? Several are either completely contentless or of the “seemingly helpful, but not really type” like vote counting. ALL of your votes, except for the one for **FCOD** _AFTER_ he was outted, were for what are now 100% confirmed non-mafia (100% townie, if you don’t include **Fern Forest** , who is either townie or SK, which is still in the mafia’s favor). You defended \*\*Autolycus \*\* (suspected GF), **FCOD** (confirmed mafia), **Suburban Plankton** (confirmed mafia), and Aguecheek (higher on most people’s scum list than you are). You chastized **Suburban Plankton** for his idea in a manor that seems more consistent with “you fool, they’re FOSing you, STOP IT!” than “I really think we should vote for you”. Why didn’t you vote \*\*Suburban Plankton \*\* after that, oh so convincing, performance? I’d like to note that I was the [first](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8435280&postcount=1807) to [question](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8435433&postcount=1816) **Suburban Plankton** on his suspicious behavior. You later [agree](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8436128&postcount=1833) with me, but are now saying that it was all a mafia scam. I suppose you can look at it that way if you believe that I’m a mafia member who is truly dull enough to raise suspicion on his own member (that was strong enough to get him lynched.) > [@](#): > > THEN, to top it all, you get hyper defensive when people FOS you, without getting even a single vote? If you really aren’t mafia, then you shouldn’t have much of a problem at all with people suggesting that you be investigated… as the investigation should, more likely than not, exonerate you of your mafia charges. > > If I didn’t think that lynching **Autolycus** today was most in the town’s favor, I’d vote for you. Maybe we can just get to that tomorrow? I’m being investigated by a beat cop. There is a good chance that he could say that I’m mafia and everyone would rush to lynch me because that is the best you guys have. I’m not mafia, therefore I think it is a wasted investigation. Hopefully I can convince **Pimaspinner** to change his target to someone else. If not, then I hope he gets the right result. Since you’re basically confirmed as pro town, all I can think to say is that you’ve become more suspicious of me because I called you the mafia’s lap dog. Sorry, that is my opinion. You seem to me as someone who eats up random reasoning and then runs around with it. Plus I thought you FOSed me because of what **cowgirl** said, but it turns out your reasons are far worst. All you have is my vote record and cherry picked evidence of me defending suspected and confirmed mafia. You even twisted what I said to **Suburban Plankton** to suit your warped version of events. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2630 "2007-04-13T00:55:14Z")
[QUOTE=glee] At the moment, you’re the only one not voting to lynch Autolycus. You may need to explain that later… [/QUOTE] I will vote for him because his death is inevitable, but before I do I want to say I think he is probably town. Now I might be wrong and look like an idiot come night time, but that is what I think. Good night Auto. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2631 "2007-04-13T00:59:28Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] I am going to go ahead and defend myself against **Blaster Master**. What I hope to get from this is that hopefully people will stop listening to him or his reasoning will get better. [/quote] Carry on. But everything gets read in this thread! [QUOTE=Lakai] I’m being investigated by a beat cop. There is a good chance that he could say that I’m mafia and everyone would rush to lynch me because that is the best you guys have. I’m not mafia, therefore I think it is a wasted investigation. Hopefully I can convince **Pimaspinner** to change his target to someone else. If not, then I hope he gets the right result. [/quote] What do you mean ‘a good chance’? 😕 **If you’re not Mafia** (nor the Serial Killer), then the Beat Cop is 50% to find your true identity. Even if the Beat Cop makes a mistake, you’re equally likely to be labelled as: Mason / Beat Cop / Detective / Miller / Vigilante / Doctor / Guardian Angel / Mafia / Serial Killer. Pretty good odds there. Of course if you \*\*are \*\* Mafia… P.S. Still not voting for Autolycus? ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2632 "2007-04-13T01:06:02Z")
[QUOTE=glee] P.S. Still not voting for Autolycus? [/QUOTE] Look up. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2633 "2007-04-13T01:07:05Z")
[QUOTE=glee] P.S. Still not voting for Autolycus? [/QUOTE] I think his ‘good night auto’ in blue counts as a vote. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2634 "2007-04-13T01:09:14Z")
OK, that’s the final nail in the coffin. I guess that means it’s night and we shouldn’t be strategizing now, even though it’s not offical yet. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2635 "2007-04-13T01:11:36Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] Look up. [/QUOTE] Hey! It was a simul post! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2636 "2007-04-13T02:31:18Z")
Well you did end the day a bit early after all. OK give me a few minutes and I will post the lynch. I am just checking on the thread while I cook dinner. Back in a minute. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2637 "2007-04-13T02:56:52Z")
Is dinner not done YET? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2638 "2007-04-13T02:59:02Z")
Whatcha havin’, **NAF**? Is it gooooood? Is it yuuuuuuumy? Is it **MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE GAME?!?!?** ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2639 "2007-04-13T02:59:05Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] Is dinner not done YET? 😛 [/QUOTE] It’s 03.57 in the morning here in the UK. But I’m not going to bed till the result is in! ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2640 "2007-04-13T03:01:55Z")
[QUOTE=glee] It’s 03.57 in the morning here in the UK. But I’m not going to bed till the result is in! [/QUOTE] Very evil post **glee**. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=131) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=133)