# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 138
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2741 "2007-04-16T21:12:10Z")
**Queuing** : You misspelled “I don’t understand the math”. Assuming we can rely on **pimaspinner** ’s role-claim as a Beat Cop, we still can’t rely on his identification of anyone bar a vanilla townie or vanilla scum. Unique roles will appear much more often as false positives than true. Only common roles have a worthwhile chance of being identified correctly. …Which is probably just as well for **pimaspinner** or he would have some serious ‘splainin’ to do round about now. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2742 "2007-04-16T21:15:50Z")
Well it doesn’t really seem all that necessary, but I did say I would try and post one every day, and I didn’t post one yesterday at all so… 1- Malacandra (Lakai) Thats it. Hope y’all are enjoying re reading the thread (which I am assuming is the explination for why this game seems to have died over the weekend). ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2743 "2007-04-16T21:24:39Z")
Yeah, So far I’ve made it through about the first 1500 posts. I still don’t know who I can trust. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2744 "2007-04-16T21:29:47Z")
I’ve been trying to see what info I can get from everyone’s reactions to my investigation starting on page 48. I’m still very confused. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2745 "2007-04-16T22:13:34Z")
I’m feeling rather brain-drained. I don’t believe I’ve ever actively participated in any thread this long, much less one that requires so much checking and rechecking. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2746 "2007-04-16T22:16:59Z")
Honestly, I have no clue at this point. None. Everyone who has made an impression on me is either dead or more or less confirmed town. As far as I’m concerned, it’s day 1 again. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2747 "2007-04-16T22:22:13Z")
[QUOTE=Menocchio] Honestly, I have no clue at this point. None. Everyone who has made an impression on me is either dead or more or less confirmed town. As far as I’m concerned, it’s day 1 again. [/QUOTE] _sigh_ It does feel alot like that, doesn’t it? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2748 "2007-04-16T22:28:39Z")
Well, I just got done reading the entire thread. I was waiting for the call on that demo job over at Ceciltown and had to sit by the phone, so I figured what else to I have to do with four hours? There’s actually some laughs to be had in the early going, and when I say laughs I mean the kind of laughs you get fifteen minutes after you stub your toe really hard and the tears are dried up. There’s a fair number of now-fallen citizens with suspect lists consisting of mostly other soon to be fallen citizens. ☹ At any rate, in [#2355](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8453376&postcount=2355) **brewha** says something I found interesting. He points a mighty quick FOS at our now departed **Doc** on the basis that he lived through that night. I know **JSexton** ’s identity is known now firmly only in hindsight but a test of his medical prowess or at least further deliberation would have been a less rash path. I have suspected **brewha** on the basis of quickie accusations before and am willing to do so again now. Vote brewha. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2749 "2007-04-16T22:56:57Z")
Am I still alive? How’d that happen? Can someone put up a list of who’s still alive, plus the roles of those who’ve left us? ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2750 "2007-04-16T23:47:19Z")
I am completely without ideas at this point. I’d have to go through the thread again to look for suspicious activity, and I don’t have the energy at this point. When does the day end? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2751 "2007-04-16T23:54:19Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] Am I still alive? How’d that happen? Can someone put up a list of who’s still alive, plus the roles of those who’ve left us? [/QUOTE] Yeah, I can do that. **The living:** Aguecheek ArizonaTeach brewha cowgirl Fretful Porpentine glee hocow Kat Lakai MadTheSwine Malacandra Menocchio MonkeyMensch pimaspinner Pleonast Pygmy Rugger Queuing Rysto StarvingButStrong Storyteller0910 Sturmhauke **The Dead:** Autolycus (Citizen) Dnooman (Citizen) Enfant Terrible (Citizen) Fern Forest (Citizen) Gadarene (Citizen) One and Only Wanderers (Citizen) Winston Smith (Citizen) Jsexton (Doctor) Blaster Master (vigilantee) Captain Carrot (mason) Zuma (mason) CaerieD (Detective) nesta (mafia) Kivvik (mafia) Flying Cow of Doom (mafia) Suburban Plankton (mafia) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2752 "2007-04-16T23:56:43Z")
[QUOTE=Kat] When does the day end? [/QUOTE] Day ends Wednesday at 10:30am ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2753 "2007-04-17T00:16:08Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] Guys, I think that we’re getting played here. Here’s the post count in this thread: Blaster Master 214 - **Confirmed town(dead)** Queuing 197 NAF1138 171 zuma 151 - **Confirmed town(dead)** Gadarene 118 - **Confirmed town(dead)** Fern Forest 112 - **Confirmed town(dead)** pimaspinner 108 Rysto 98 glee 90 Autolycus 86 - **Confirmed town(dead)** Kat 85 MadTheSwine 85 JSexton 81 - **Confirmed town(dead)** FlyingCowOfDoom 75 - **Confirmed scum(dead)** Pygmy Rugger 67 Malacandra 67 MonkeyMensch 66 Lakai 63 storyteller0910 56 Menocchio 55 ArizonaTeach 55 Pleonast 54 - **Confirmed town(Mason)** Winston Smith 50 - **Confirmed town(dead)** Suburban Plankton 48 - **Confirmed scum(dead)** Aguecheek 47 brewha 47 Fretful Porpentine 44 kivvik 43 - **Confirmed scum(dead)** StarvingButStrong 42 hocow 39 chrisk 34 sturmhauke 29 - **Confirmed town(Mason)** nesta 27 - **Confirmed scum(dead)** CaerieD 18 - **Confirmed town(dead)** cowgirl 17 Smitty 13 We keep killing off the prolific posters and they keep coming up Town. Meanwhile, our SK kept killing the low post-count players, and they kept coming up Mafia. I think that we’ve reached the point where we have to demand that people participate more, or we’ll lynch them. [/QUOTE] I didn’t follow the last game very closely, but I do remember people commenting it in this thread. The comments were to the effect that in the last game, a town strategy was to lynch lurkers because they were scum who were trying to lay low. The problem, in the last game, was that the town kept lynching citizens. Well, this isn’t last game. The first couple days had FoSs flying around like kamakazi pilots. Well, this isn’t the last game. I think **Rysto**'s right, we need to start investigating those with less than, say, 50 posts to the thread. I am not saying that we should start a bandwagon with this post aimed at **cowgirl** , and tomorrow at **hocow**. What I am saying is that there is a very real chance that those in the lower quartile of posters are scum (or even the SK, as it’d be in his/her interest to peak as little town suspicion as possible). We still have around 40 hours, let’s see if we can get some of those people to explain themselves. The thread has slowed down considerably from the first few days. Not being able to catch up is no longer an excuse. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2754 "2007-04-17T00:26:14Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] **Auto** as GF makes perfect sense. Go high profile so the detective investigates him early and finds him town. It also makes the vig and sk waste a kill if they go after him. Well played mafia, but we’re on to you! Lynch Autolycus Vig Fern Forest I don’t see any reason to delay the countdown. I agree, the masons should stay in the shadows. I see no advantage to the town by them outing themselves. [/QUOTE] OK since I don’t have anything else to go on, and to get a dialogue started about who we should lynch, I’m going to vote **brewha** on the basis of his not wanting to delay the countdown. It seems as good a reason as any to start with. Mafia, knowing that \*\*Autolycus \*\* was not the Godfather would want to end the day as fast as possible on the momentum that was building. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2755 "2007-04-17T00:54:09Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] Am I still alive? How’d that happen? Can someone put up a list of who’s still alive, plus the roles of those who’ve left us? [/QUOTE] Here. Bolded players are still alive. **Aguecheek – Unknown ArizonaTeach – Unknown** Autolycus – Citizen, lynched on Day 4 Blaster Master – Vigilante, killed on Night 5 (by SK?) **brewha – Unknown** CaerieD – Detective, killed on Night 2 Captain Carrot – Mason, killed on Night 1 chrisk – Doctor, replaced by JSexton, killed on Night 5 (by Mafia?) cowgirl – Citizen, killed on Night 2 Dnooman – Citizen, killed on Night 1 Enfant Terrible – Citizen, lynched on Day 1 Fern Forest – Citizen, killed on Night 5 by Vig Flying Cow of Doom – Mafia, killed on Night 4 by Vig **Fretful Porpentine – Unknown** (well, _I_ know, but I’m not expecting y’all to take it on trust) Gadarene – Citizen, lynched on Day 2 **glee – Unknown hocow – Unknown Kat – Unknown** kivvik – Mafia, killed on Night 4 by Serial Killer **Lakai – Unknown MadTheSwine – Unknown Malacandra – Unknown Menocchio – Probable townie, possible Godfather MonkeyMensch – Unknown** nesta – Mafia, killed on Night 3 by Serial Killer One and Only Wanderers – Citizen, killed on Night 1 **pimaspinner – Probable cop Pleonast – Mason Pygmy Rugger – Unknown Queuing – Unknown Rysto – Unknown Smitty – Unknown, replaced by cowgirl StarvingButStrong – Unknown Storyteller0910 – Unknown Sturmhauke – Mason** Suburban Plankton – Mafia, lynched on Day 3 Winston Smith – Citizen, killed on Night 3 by Vig Zuma – Mason, killed on Night 4 ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2756 "2007-04-17T02:12:38Z")
Vote ArizonaTeach Cuz he (she?) has more than once announced a [vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422599&postcount=1099) [change](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418514&postcount=882) purely to disassociate himself (herself?) from another player. Also because he’s made a point of announcing his [post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8426358&postcount=1524) [count](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8435094&postcount=1797). It just feels like he’s yelling “Look at me! I’m not lurking!” ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2757 "2007-04-17T04:25:19Z")
[QUOTE=Kat] Vote ArizonaTeach Cuz he (she?) has more than once announced a [vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422599&postcount=1099) [change](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418514&postcount=882) purely to disassociate himself (herself?) from another player. Also because he’s made a point of announcing his [post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8426358&postcount=1524) [count](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8435094&postcount=1797). It just feels like he’s yelling “Look at me! I’m not lurking!” [/QUOTE] Uh, when the post count issue came up, I wanted to make damn sure I was represented correctly. And I made a joke out of it, which as we all know is the worst possible thing to do in this game (right **Auto**?) Also, since I’ve pointed several FOS at people I felt were waving their “I’m a townie” banner too strongly (and to my recollection, they’ve turned out to be townies), I’m not going to take that too personally. When I’m accused of being mafia because I don’t post enough, and I make a point to post more, I’m not going to sweat then being accused of being a mafia because I post more. However, I take issue with the next part. As for my voting, are you saying that if you cast a vote, then people you suspect are scum bandwagon it, you wouldn’t try to back off? I make no apologies for unvoting \*\*BlasterMaster \*\* and \*\*JSexton \*\* (you know, the Vigilante and the Doctor? – of course, I didn’t know that at the time, but still…!) Your reasoning here is almost as bad as the “holy cow” debacle you thought was really stupid. No, what I find suspicious is saying you lack the energy to go back through all the posts and three hours later present a lacking-in-anything-substative post that still manages to pull out of context four posts from the 2000-plus we have here. Almost as if it was prepared ahead of time for some reason. But that’s not enough for me to vote for you…however, call me a she again, and I will…! There are some questions I want answered, though…Why hasn’t \*\*pima \*\* posted the results of the investigation? I don’t think I missed it… Who the hell did \*\*JSexton \*\* protect last night (guess we won’t know that one until it’s over)? ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2758 "2007-04-17T05:27:41Z")
We gotta start taking action, or the mafia can start choosing for us. I vite brewha on the strength of Monkey Mensch’s accusation. Brewha, explain yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2759 "2007-04-17T05:32:37Z")
No, not set up beforehand, but I forced myself to scan through when **NAF1138** gave the ending time, because I’m not sure I’ll have much time on tomorrow. (Other people may remember I did that in the last game, too.) That’s about why that post is so short. It’s not so much the unvoting **Blaster Master** and **JSexton** that struck me as off, but rather the following sequence of events (damn, I wanted to avoid all this coding and copying and pasting): In [post 1001](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8420721&postcount=1001) (addressed to **zuma** ): > [@ArizonaTeach](#): > > You, on the other hand, have gotten downright surreal in the last couple of pages, I’m leaning towards believing in **Gadarene** , and placing you firmly in the scum pile. In [post 1020](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8421128&postcount=1020): > [@Gadarene](#): > > No, instead you (and zuma and whoever else) wax lyrical about my “hypocrisy and scumminess.” What that does, basically, is remove any doubts I have about you. > > Plus, you’re not even very good liars any more. As **ArizonaTeach** pointed out about **zuma** , your posts—their wording, their tone, their approach—are starting to ring utterly false. It’s kind of amusing, but mostly it just makes me happy I figured it out. And then in your next post, [post 1099](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422599&postcount=1099), you say: > [@](#): > > And because of the shout-out in this post, of which the only purpose I can fathom is to make people suspicious of an alliance between me and Gadarene in case he turns out to be scum, I will vote to lynch Gadarene. But you were the one to link yourself to **Gadarene** first, and then accused him of trying to link himself to you, and then voted for him under that reasoning. Strange reasoning, especially since you were just agreeing with him and he was agreeing with you. And I think **pima** posted that **Lakai** came up town. I’m going to bed now. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/2760 "2007-04-17T05:47:21Z")
I’m re-reading the whole damn thread with a list of proven mafia/proven townie/most-likely townie players in front of me. This is taking a loooong time, but I don’t see what else to do. I’ve still got twenty + pages to go over, but I hope to finish and have something useful to post tomorrow. In the meantime, can anyone refresh my memory on what happened to the suspicions of Queuing? He’s seems to have gone from one of the most suspected to unnoticed. Was there some good evidence of towniness that I’ve forgotten? Or was it just a disgusted reaction to all the conditionals & factions & claims from our day of infamy? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=137) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=139)