# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 152
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3021 "2007-04-19T20:05:16Z")
So these are just preliminary results but look at these posts of Storyteller’s: [post 854](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418290&postcount=854) [post 880](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418489&postcount=880) [post 1731](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8432088&postcount=1731) [post 1787](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8434473&postcount=1787) [post 1864](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8436922&postcount=1864) [post 2842](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8476807&postcount=2842) Do you guys get scum from these? I sure as hell don’t. In fact I think some of these posts are just excellent, and I wish we had listened to him earlier. I get a very firm town reading from this. By looking at his posts he has sky-rocketed to the top of my trust list. Honestly, **Brewha** where did you get your FOS from? What “didn’t he say”? In light of this I am going to vote to lynch pygmy rugger My scum list: Pygmy Rugger Monkey Mensch Malacandara Brewha I have had the bottom 3 of my list for a while now. I have stated why I think Malacandra is scum. I will do the analysis of Monkey Mensch next. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3022 "2007-04-19T20:24:12Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] \ Do you guys get scum from these? I sure as hell don’t. In fact I think some of these posts are just excellent, and I wish we had listened to him earlier. I get a very firm town reading from this. By looking at his posts he has sky-rocketed to the top of my trust list. Honestly, **Brewha** where did you get your FOS from? What “didn’t he say”? In light of this I am going to vote to lynch pygmy rugger My scum list: Pygmy Rugger Monkey Mensch Malacandara Brewha I have had the bottom 3 of my list for a while now. I have stated why I think Malacandra is scum. I will do the analysis of Monkey Mensch next. [/QUOTE] Answer me this. Why do you do such a thourough, thoughtful, and time consuming analysis of several other posters, and yet vote to lynch me "because **story** said so? Especially considering that I wasn’t on the bottom three of your list. And why are you doing (hehe, doing) **MM** next, if you’re already voting for me? ---
**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3023 "2007-04-19T20:33:23Z")
Wow. so much going on. I didn’t realize that day broke already! My job has just gotten exceedingly crazy so this is the first time I’ve been able to check in and I’m far from caught up. I was so certain about **MadTheSwine** and I feel really bad about it. I was also suspicious of \*\*glee \*\*but she turned out town too so my instincts badly need a re-tune. I’m leaning towards **Pygmy Rugger** but his defense of **MadTheTownie** makes me lean a bit less. But **storyteller** has been taking words out of my mouth all game so his/her endorsement makes me lean a bit more. Hm. All this leaning is making me dizzy. I can’t do a read through now so I’ll put down some quick thoughts, pending a full analysis: - I’d still like to know why everyone wanted to lynch **Aguecheek** , I still don’t get it - Let us not have any more bandwagons, it makes it too easy for the mafia to hide out and help us lynch one townie or another - I think the lurkers need some serious investigating, because we seem to quite often go after the active posters who all turn out to be townie ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3024 "2007-04-19T20:40:51Z")
Nothing posts: 176, 219, 266, 454, 504, 834, 1312, 1645, 1647, 1650, 1680, 1919, 2241, 2322, 2511, 2598, 2673, 2780, 2896, 2949 Vote counts: 1190, 1192 [post 252](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8405448&postcount=252) -tries some analysis of whom was killed first night, says only OAOW had said anything [post 316](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8406144&postcount=316) -quotes me, talking about why chrisk should have potentially been believed on the first day, and agrees with me, FOS Enfant do to EF saying people who post a lot/analaysis seemed to have big roles last game [post 349](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8406814&postcount=349) -asks for analysis and lots of it, to force scum to talk and maybe lie [post 420](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8408266&postcount=420) -quotes EF, who had answered his FOS, says EF didn’t address actual content, asks for a reason not to lynch EF [post 438](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8408441&postcount=438) [QUOTE] -vote count -trust distrust list Trust: sturmhauke:, rysto, chrisj Distrust: aguecheek, FF, Menecchio, queuing -votes for EF due to his concerns not being addressed [post 470](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8408792&postcount=470) -defends auto, basically saying I don’t care how he posts, only what he posts, asks for clarification of auto’s actions [post 504](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8409194&postcount=504) -12 hour countdown vote [post 590](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8414146&postcount=590) very much against lynching of sturmhauke -says will be away for a while (explains his lack of posting for 300 or so) [post 854](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418290&postcount=854) very large analysis post, mentions numerous players, you might want to read it yourselves -his conclusion: That at least one of the people who has called for the lynching of sturm, Auto, or chrisk is probably Mafia, and that cross-referencing that list with the list of people who did vote for Enfant Terrible might produce useful information. [post 880](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418489&postcount=880) -follows up on his conclusion, comes up with 2 names: Menecchio and FCOD -votes FCOD ( a known scum) -again, I think this is worth reading [post 891](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418589&postcount=891) -responds to post by lakai, asking why he thinks sturm. Auto and chrisk were all town (which they all turned out to be). Says he didn’t like the 1st day attempt to get sturm, thinks auto is either town or worse player ever, and no real reason for chrisk -wants FCOD dead, not ready to vote for Pleonast [post 892](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418600&postcount=892) -request for Pygmy to explain himself [post 939](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8419904&postcount=939) -asks Gadarene to explain why he doesn’t like post 854, slight FOS at gadarene [post 940](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8419910&postcount=940) corrects a vote count by FF, reiterates vote for FCOD [post 949](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8420038&postcount=949) - answers Gadarene accusations, very well I might add, slightly stronger FOS but not official [post 1093](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422532&postcount=1093) -unvotes FCOD as BM had claimed [post 1096](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422567&postcount=1096) -quotes me, explains that he doesn’t think the mafia will be acting in cahoots that much [post 1215](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8423911&postcount=1215) -agrees with gadarene, as well as my idea to kill one from each side of the day 2 debacle, no vote yet though [post 1265](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424292&postcount=1265) -says he is convinced of my towniness -votes gadarene -suggest the conditional vig kill by BM [post 1334](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424845&postcount=1334) -quotes BM, when BM FOS hocow as SK, and wants to know why [post 1353](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424986&postcount=1353) -in the midst of Zuma’s stubbornness about BM getting a choice on vig kill, he becomes very suspicious of him, and votes to vig kill [post 1553](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8427194&postcount=1553) votes for plan 1 of the conditional plans, which was to not vig kill me, but vig kill JSexton ( I believe) [post 1731](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8432088&postcount=1731) -another very long analysis post, I urge you to read it -he says he re-read the thread, and comes up with the following, names 10 people town. Of these 10, 6 are confirmed town by death, 1 by DET (we think), only himself, rysto and myself are not confirmed (but highly believed to be town) -says he will come back with more of a follow-up on the ones who aren’t town in his mind -votes FCOD again [post 1787](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8434473&postcount=1787) -another long bit of analysis, read it -answers accusations from pimaspinner very well, again confirms desire to vote for FCOD [post 1792](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8434743&postcount=1792) -FOS pimaspinner, reasons given are good, but no vote yet, stil on FCOD [post 1845](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8436405&postcount=1845) -quotes fretful, questions his reasoning mostly about BM being mafia, and him wanting to kill JSexton because of it [post 1852](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8436484&postcount=1852) -JSexton defends fretful as forcing BM to kill one of his own, doesn’t buy it but now understands it [post 1864](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8436922&postcount=1864) -another very lengthy analysis, read it -scum from here are: FCOD (yes he was), pimaspinner (nope), pygmy (unknown) [post 1918](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8439254&postcount=1918) -unvotes FCOD, votes for pima, but happy to vote for either -quotes rysto, who wonders why he hadn’t voted for pima yet [post 1962](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8441996&postcount=1962) -again answers rysto -vig kill for FCOD [post 2434](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8454554&postcount=2434) -congrats to pima are given, cautions us to slow down, and says if auto and fern are scum then he is very wrong. (we know they were town now) [post 2540](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8457794&postcount=2540) -votes for auto now, due to him still not making a defense [post 2551](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8457994&postcount=2551) -quotes and disagrees with pygmy about announcing beat cop investigation [post 2556](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8458126&postcount=2556) -rule clarification as well as agreement with me about allowing pima to investigate who they want [post 2722](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8466415&postcount=2722) -another long post answering all questions asked of him, a suggestion of thinking outside the box basically, and asking to slowdown [post 2767](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8474565&postcount=2767) -in the middle of the math fight (which I still doesn’t really matter, but I digress  ), agreess with me in it not mattering that much, and asks for more participation in the last day [post 2842](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8476807&postcount=2842) -another big analysis post, mostly about the math fight, FOS’s the following: Aguecheek, Fretful Porpentine, ArizonaTeach, and pima as well as glee for bringing it up again, due to them all voting for Malacandara or I. Finds Pygmy rugger the most suspicious, and votes for pygmy rugger [post 2889](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8478848&postcount=2889) -basically says we may as well believe the cop claims. Also questions why hocow tried again to stir up the math fight -leaves vote for pygmy [post 2900](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8479045&postcount=2900) -unvotes pygmy, votes for MTS, also posts a vote count, says he doesn’t want to kill either me or malacandra ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3025 "2007-04-19T20:43:33Z")
[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger] Answer me this. Why do you do such a thourough, thoughtful, and time consuming analysis of several other posters, and yet vote to lynch me "because **story** said so? Especially considering that I wasn’t on the bottom three of your list. And why are you doing (hehe, doing) **MM** next, if you’re already voting for me? [/QUOTE] Voting for you because Storyteller did. I have just finished reading all of his posts and he seemed right fairly often. Particularly on that FCOD call that he did quite early in the game, and then wouldn’t let go of it. He is doing the same with you, so I am going to listen this time. I am doing MM (and here is your bottle of tequila, don’t worry I will be gentle) next because I was planning on doing him if I lived in the morning, and I already have his posts all ready. That is the only reason. Don’t worry, I will do you after him, ok? ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3026 "2007-04-19T20:51:23Z")
User Name Posts Queuing 239 — investigated by claimed beat cop, came up SK/Citizen Rysto 112 Malacandra 98 Kat 95 Pygmy Rugger 86 Lakai 78 ---- investigated by known beat cop, came up citizen brewha 76 MonkeyMensch 73 storyteller0910 67 StarvingButStrong 63 ArizonaTeach 63 Menocchio 62 ---- Probable DET Crumb - Citizen or GF Pleonast 61---- Mason Fretful Porpentine 56 Aguecheek 54 ---- Cop Claim hocow 40 sturmhauke 35 — Mason cowgirl 33 I wouldn’t be upset if someone else did a few of these people. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3027 "2007-04-19T20:51:37Z")
**Queuing** , I just conceeded that my suspiscions of **Story** could very well be wrong. If you bear with me for a moment I would like to make my case against **Lakai**. It may seem that I’m throwing around accusations, but, like **Story** said, it is good to get other people in the spotlight to see how they react. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3028 "2007-04-19T20:55:24Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] Voting for you because Storyteller did. I have just finished reading all of his posts and he seemed right fairly often. Particularly on that FCOD call that he did quite early in the game, and then wouldn’t let go of it. He is doing the same with you, so I am going to listen this time. I am doing MM (and here is your bottle of tequila, don’t worry I will be gentle) next because I was planning on doing him if I lived in the morning, and I already have his posts all ready. That is the only reason. Don’t worry, I will do you after him, ok? [/QUOTE] Mmmm, tequila. You’ve said you’re going to be gentle, and if you promise to use lube I promise not to tense up. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3029 "2007-04-19T20:59:44Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] **Queuing** , I just conceeded that my suspiscions of **Story** could very well be wrong. If you bear with me for a moment I would like to make my case against **Lakai**. It may seem that I’m throwing around accusations, but, like **Story** said, it is good to get other people in the spotlight to see how they react. [/QUOTE] I know. I was just wondering thats all. I agree its an excellent idea to throw the spotlight on a everyone. See if they run like cockroaches or stand tall. Personally I would love if your analysis of Lakai contained post numbers/links/page numbers. Thanks :). On preview, well that bottle was suppose to be MM’s because he was next, but don’t worry, I have plenty. Fine, I will use some lube…even though not taking it like a man is a scum tell! ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3030 "2007-04-19T21:03:59Z")
I took a look at the list of people that did not vote for **Suburban Plankton** as a place to start. **Lakai** seems to have stayed completely under the radar for me. I went back and reread his posts knowing more about who is and is not scum. [381](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418544&postcount=381) FOS MTS, Efant Terrible, and Chrisk - all confirmed town. [636](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418544&postcount=636) Votes Pleonast - mason [828](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418544&postcount=828) Pushes for the rest of the town to vote Pleonast [1064](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418544&postcount=1064) Long explanation. Ends with the push for the deaths of Pleonast and Blaster Master. [1068](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418544&postcount=1068) Votes Blaster Master [1794](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418544&postcount=1794) Votes Pimaspinner - our recently deceased cop [2012](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418544&postcount=2012) Goes along with the lynching of Flying Cow of Doom, but only with the cavaet that hocow or Pimaspinner get vig killed depending on the outcome [2066](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418544&postcount=2066) Votes to lynch Fern Forest and vig kill Flying Cow of Doom. Sure FCOD dies with this vote, but a townie goes with him and we waste our vig kill. [2194](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418544&postcount=2194) Claims it is too late to kill Suburban Plankton and pushes for votes to lynch Fern Forest. Then I saw post [2629](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418544&postcount=2629) which rebutts accusations made by Blaster Master in post [2497](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418544&postcount=2497) - poorly I might add. If you don’t trust my FOS of Lakai, take a look at what our dearly departed Vigiliante thinks of him. I, for one, Vote Lakai ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3031 "2007-04-19T21:06:12Z")
Crap, My coding is screwed up. I’ll try another post - but trust me those posts do say I what I say they say. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3032 "2007-04-19T21:14:39Z")
Then I saw post [[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8460121&postcount=2629](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8460121&postcount=2629)]2629 which rebutts accusations made by Blaster Master in post [[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8456721&postcount=2497](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8456721&postcount=2497)]2497 - poorly I might add. If you don’t trust my FOS of Lakai, take a look at what our dearly departed Vigiliante thinks of him. These are the two posts that matter the most. Blaster Master already called attention to most of the posts that I attempted to link to in his post 2497 (which should work now). ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3033 "2007-04-19T21:17:31Z")
Dammit Dammit Dammit Lets try again. Stupid non editing ::shakes fist at NAF:: Just look at [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8456721&postcount=2497)one again. Feel free to look at the others I listed if you want more than my brief summary. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3034 "2007-04-19T21:21:22Z")
I went through all of Blaster Master’s accuasations and he has all the posts I listed execept for 2012 and 2066. He also has a few I didn’t list. How did **Lakai** live this long? String him up I tells ya! I think Blaster Master wasn’t entirely trusted at the time he made his case against Lakai, but we now know whose side he was on. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3035 "2007-04-19T21:27:32Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] Voting for you because Storyteller did. I have just finished reading all of his posts and he seemed right fairly often. Particularly on that FCOD call that he did quite early in the game, and then wouldn’t let go of it. He is doing the same with you, so I am going to listen this time. [/QUOTE] While I wait for \*\*brewha \*\*to get his coding together I will say I strongly agree with this. Vote Pygmy Rugger for now. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3036 "2007-04-19T21:32:27Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] I went through all of Blaster Master’s accuasations and he has all the posts I listed execept for 2012 and 2066. He also has a few I didn’t list. How did **Lakai** live this long? String him up I tells ya! I think Blaster Master wasn’t entirely trusted at the time he made his case against Lakai, but we now know whose side he was on. [/QUOTE] I already answered Blaster Master’s post [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8460121&postcount=2629) If there is anything in there that you don’t like please say so and I will explain. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3037 "2007-04-19T21:35:57Z")
Could someone please refresh my memory about why **Rysto** is so generally trusted? I’m not saying he shouldn’t be, I’m just trying to remember the reasoning behind it. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3038 "2007-04-19T21:37:19Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Okay… let’s review then, shall we? Like **nesta** and **kivvik** , you failed to make a vote on day one. You [voted to lynch **Pleonast**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8414759&postcount=636) with shaky reasoning. You point out the bandwagon from **Autolycus** to **Enfant Terrible** , and then say **Pleonast** is more suspicious for supporting and improved version of **chrisk** ’s idea? Why didn’t you just vote for **chrisk**? A [defense of Autolycus](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8414795&postcount=638) (our current GF suspect); granted, it was against my faulty reasoning, and it was appropriately addressed by **zuma** later, but you made no attempt to address the reasoning. Then you “reluctantly” [change your vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8415625&postcount=702) to **chrisk** , still pushing for **Pleonast** , when the whole reason you didn’t like **Pleonast** was because he supported **chrisk**. ??? Then you [change your vote back](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8417057#post8417057) to \*\*Pleonast \*\* and FOS me. Another [vague defense of **Autolycus**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8417794&postcount=828) and another FOS at me, **Pleonast** , **Storyteller** , and **sturmhauke**. Here’s an example of a [seemingly helpful but doesn’t really add anything post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418112&postcount=845). Then you [defend **FCOD**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418517&postcount=883), and point the FOS at **Pleonast** and me again. [And again…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422025&postcount=1064) Then you [switch your vote AGAIN](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422151&postcount=1068), this time to try and start the clock on me. Then you [question why I role-claimed](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422833&postcount=1116). ??? Then you [try](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422982&postcount=1133) and[again](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8423054&postcount=1143) to keep the FOS on me even after the plan was established to test my claim. Then you [support VIGing **Zuma**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424713&postcount=1315). Then a [vague defense of **Aguecheek**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8434178&postcount=1779), another individual high on many people’s scum lists right now. Then, a [vote for **pimaspinner**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8435064&postcount=1794). Then you [FOS **pimaspinner** AGAIN](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8435209&postcount=1803), and essentailly support random FOSing. [This is your only vote for mafia](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8443291&postcount=2007), and only AFTER he was outed by **pimaspinner**. And after push the FCOD thing REALLY hard for several posts, you [claim we don’t have enough time to get the **Suburban Plankton** train going](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8446170&postcount=2194) and should just vote for **Fern Forest**. So, what do I see in ALL of your posts? Several are either completely contentless or of the “seemingly helpful, but not really type” like vote counting. ALL of your votes, except for the one for **FCOD** _AFTER_ he was outted, were for what are now 100% confirmed non-mafia (100% townie, if you don’t include **Fern Forest** , who is either townie or SK, which is still in the mafia’s favor). You defended \*\*Autolycus \*\* (suspected GF), **FCOD** (confirmed mafia), **Suburban Plankton** (confirmed mafia), and Aguecheek (higher on most people’s scum list than you are). You chastized **Suburban Plankton** for his idea in a manor that seems more consistent with “you fool, they’re FOSing you, STOP IT!” than “I really think we should vote for you”. Why didn’t you vote \*\*Suburban Plankton \*\* after that, oh so convincing, performance? THEN, to top it all, you get hyper defensive when people FOS you, without getting even a single vote? If you really aren’t mafia, then you shouldn’t have much of a problem at all with people suggesting that you be investigated… as the investigation should, more likely than not, exonerate you of your mafia charges. If I didn’t think that lynching **Autolycus** today was most in the town’s favor, I’d vote for you. Maybe we can just get to that tomorrow? [/QUOTE] **Lakai** , don’t try and brush this off because of my coding issues. **Blaster Master** posted almost exactly the same thing as I attempted to - except he did it over 500 posts ago. I don’t know why we didn’t listen then. I case people don’t want to deal with links, just read the above. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3039 "2007-04-19T21:39:04Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] I already answered Blaster Master’s post [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8460121&postcount=2629) If there is anything in there that you don’t like please say so and I will explain. [/QUOTE] Sure, that worked fine at the time. But, we didn’t know if we could trust Blaster Master or not. We also didn’t know that every person you voted to lynch was town and that every person you defended was mafia. It seems a bit clearer now. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3040 "2007-04-19T21:53:49Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] Sure, that worked fine at the time. But, we didn’t know if we could trust Blaster Master or not. We also didn’t know that every person you voted to lynch was town and that every person you defended was mafia. It seems a bit clearer now. [/QUOTE] **Blaster Master** lays suspicion on me for defending **Autolycus**. \*\*Auto \*\* turned out to be town. The only other uncertain person we did not know about was **Fern Forest**. Was that it? The fact that Fern Forest turned out town, was that the clincher for you? It seems a little suspicious of you that you ignore the fact that I was right about defending \*\*Autolycus \*\*and still say that every person I defended was mafia. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=151) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=153)