# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 157
**Author:** ![hocow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hocow/32/4112_2.png) [@hocow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hocow)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3121 "2007-04-23T04:46:56Z")
I realized my second vote looked bandwagon-ish when I posted it. But, as has been reiterated, I was suspicious of **Malacandra** since Day 2. I had even voted for him previously. I was just glad to see someone else’s FOS pointed the same direction as mine. BTW, I’m a she. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3122 "2007-04-23T11:41:22Z")
First, I’d like to propose a naming convention for all Dopers. Men must have a name that ends in a hard consonent or the masculine ‘o’. Women must all have names that end in the feminine ‘a’. Therefore, from here on out I will simply be Brew. I also propose the name changes of Malacandro, StarvingButStronga, and howcowa. **Queuing** , I see your reasoning for voting MonkeyMensch. I would be with you on that if you can explain away my reasoning for not voting. Why would a mafia switch their votes from who they knew was not mafia to a person who they knew was mafia. I could see that happening as a smoke screen if their brother mafia was already doomed to have their neck stretched, but to change a vote that makes the top two tied? I can’t see a reason a mafia would do that. I suppose MM could be the SK, but I’m not willing to vote on a wild guess. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3123 "2007-04-23T12:46:04Z")
Vote **cowgirl** In addition to what **Lakai** said, her unvote/revote of **MadTheSwine** worries me, specificially the “But for now, I am not convinced enough to drive this bandwagon, so unvote MadTheSwine.” and then “This is a bandwagon I would rather get behind. unvote Malacandra, vote MadTheSwine.” Makes it sound like a bandwagon for MTS is okay as long as she’s not the one who might get blamed for it. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3124 "2007-04-23T13:31:25Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] **Queuing** , I see your reasoning for voting MonkeyMensch. I would be with you on that if you can explain away my reasoning for not voting. Why would a mafia switch their votes from who they knew was not mafia to a person who they knew was mafia. I could see that happening as a smoke screen if their brother mafia was already doomed to have their neck stretched, but to change a vote that makes the top two tied? I can’t see a reason a mafia would do that. [/QUOTE] To be honest I don’t know that I have a great reason for that. Yes, MM did switch his vote onto SP. He had to switch his vote to look townie. Maybe he was confused as to who was leading? Maybe it was just a smokescreen so he (or someone defending him) could say just what you are saying. There is no way that throughout this game scum have not voted for scum. It has to happen at some point. While that point worries me, from what else I see seems to point to scum, to me at least. I believe MM to be scum do to a totality of evidence, and will not be swayed by one point. Particularly since the bandwagon had formed on SP, and it seemed somewhat inevitable that we were going to get enough votes to lynch him. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3125 "2007-04-23T13:46:34Z")
Here are the posts of posting history, as well as analysis if they came in a different post and defenses if applicable [My first recap post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8485901&postcount=3044) [brewha’s analysis of Lakai (sort of, due to coding issues, used the post he quoted BM)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8485258&postcount=3038) [Monkey Mensch’s rebuttal](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8490584&postcount=3098) and [my rebuttal of his rebuttal](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8494558&postcount=3112) [Lakai’s post about cowgirl/smitty/cowgirl](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8488362&postcount=3076) and [his analysis of](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8490420&postcount=3096) [Fretful on ArizonaTeach](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8489750&postcount=3086) and [ArizonaTeach’s answer](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8490018&postcount=3088) [StarvingButStrong on Brewha](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8490204&postcount=3092) and [analysis of](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8490957&postcount=3101) [ArizonaTeach on StarvingButStrong](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8490347&postcount=3094) and [StarvingButStrong answers](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8490504&postcount=3097) [Kat on Fretful Porpentine](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8493103&postcount=3104) and [the verdict is](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8494224&postcount=3110) [Queuing on Pygmy Rugger](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8494529&postcount=3111) People who asked for an assignment but have not yet submitted: **Cowgirl** who was suppose to do **Kat** (allergies aside) **Aguecheek** who was suppose to do **Rysto**. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3126 "2007-04-23T14:31:46Z")
> [@](#): > > (3) Apparent retaliatory “suspicion” towards MadTheSwine. Revenge votes are bad, they screw up later analysis. At least she didn’t actually vote for him, though. For what it’s worth, that was actual suspicion, because his arguments against me didn’t make any sense, and he seemed really desperate to throw accusations in an apparently random direction. I didn’t vote for him because after looking at this other posts, I didn’t see anything that looked especially suspicious to me. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3127 "2007-04-23T14:58:27Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] [This](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424297&postcount=1266) is the only post by Malacandra supporting the plan you are talking about. It was post 1266. Since Pleonast claimed, Zuma soon replaced him in the conditional. In post [1374](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8424951#post8424951) you vote for a Vig hit on Zuma. That is 108 posts latter, not 500 (conveniently slipped from your memory maybe?) At that time your [vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8422599#post8422599) was still on Gadarene and it never changes. [/QUOTE] Actually, I was talking about my post in the 1500’s, but that still isn’t 500 posts, so I don’t know where that number I mentioned came from, to be honest. And you’re still (intentionally?) misunderstanding – the 2nd and 3rd people to go along with the plan were scum. Is it any stretch to think that the 1st person was, too? I’m not talking about who ended up voting for the plan, I’m talking about the first few people who said the plan was a good idea in the first place! Why are you defending \*\*Malacandra \*\* so hard? [QUOTE=Lakai] Malacandra supported a plan where two towns die and so did you. What difference does it make when Malacandra supported the plan? The results are the same, two townsmen die. [/QUOTE] Everybody supported the plan. Well, almost everybody; I really don’t have the time to look back. My issue was with the \*\*way \*\* the bandwagoning began, and the posting pattern of scum latching on to \*\*StarvingButStrong’s \*\* proposals and votes. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3128 "2007-04-23T15:10:27Z")
Votes are all over the place, its still anybodys lynch. 2- Malacandra - (ArizonaTeach, hocow) 1- Aguecheek - (MonkeyMench) 1- brewha - (lakai) 1- cowgirl - (kat) 1- Lakai - (brewha) 1- MonkeyMensch - (Queuing) 1- Pygmy Rugger - (storyteller) 24 hours 15 minutes left before nightfall folks. Time to start making up your mind. And, as a reminder, a no lynch vote is always a possibility. It hasn’t been discussed since the game started, but it is possible. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3129 "2007-04-23T15:10:34Z")
Does anyone have the time to do Queuing? I’ve been asking myself why he is so trustworthy. I know the town was pretty hell bent on lynching him back on day two, but for some reason (which I can’t recall) he has gone from least trusted to more-or-less trusted. I’m beginning to not trust Queuing - for two reasons. First there’s his dogged pursuit of Monkeymensch. I don’t know for sure if Monkey is a town or mafia, but there is at least one event that makes him more likely to be town than mafia. Then, there’s my case against Lakai. OK, I could be wrong about him, but I’m quite certain he’s scum. Queuing didn’t even entertain my accusation. He just brushed it off and went on to make a different case. Anyone else have an opinion about Lakai? Anyone want to wade through Queuing’s posts? I’m gonna go back to the day two mess and see if I can find what detracted from the mistrust toward Queuing. ---
**Author:** ![Aguecheek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Aguecheek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aguecheek)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3130 "2007-04-23T15:21:40Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] Are you the only one that wasn’t analyzed? I don’t think anyone did Queuing. I shudder at the thought of analyzing all 256 of his posts. [/QUOTE] > [@Queuing](#): > > Aguecheek who was suppose to do Rysto. Sorry, I didn’t see the assignment on Friday evening when I had time, so I bit the bullet and did **Queuing** instead. It’s all coded and bolded, but probably contains a lot of my shorthand notes, 'cause it was frigging long, and I am loath to go over it again… And I just tried posting it and it seems I screwed up the coding. Give me a bit. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3131 "2007-04-23T15:23:35Z")
Looking forward to your Queuing report. I went back over the day two voting. I still don’t have a good read on Queuing, but it is leaning less scummy than it was before. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3132 "2007-04-23T15:54:32Z")
[QUOTE=StarvingButStrong] - He cast his first vote for Autolycus saying he saw no reason to delay the lynch, though there had been many posts pointing out that the longer the town takes to discuss during a day, the more info they gain. He later unvotes Autolycus, which could have been to avoid the perception of scumminess. [/QUOTE] I did want to adress this issue, but couldn’t at the time of my unvote. After I was certain that Autolycus was the Godfather (yes, I now realize that I was very wrong), I didn’t see a reason to delay the lynching. After thinking about it for awhile, I realized that there was a very good reason to delay his death. If he were the GF, mafia would be popping up out of the woodwork to defend him. Since, I could see no way to defend his remarks, those that were actually defending him were likely mafia. I couldn’t come out and say that that is why I unvoted him, because the mafia would clam up about it. Of course, this would have only worked had Auto actually been the GF… ---
**Author:** ![Aguecheek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Aguecheek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aguecheek)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3133 "2007-04-23T16:16:31Z")
Nothing posts: 21, 60, 87, 145, 223, 229, 435, 444, 446, 453, 455, 474, 486, 516, 549, 563, 582, 973, 982, 1004, 1034, 1072, 1081, 1110, 1112, 1129, 1239, 1241, 1245, 1258, 1302, 1318, 1367, 1409, 1493, 1496, 1608, 1614, 1616, 1626, 1640, 1642, 1646, 1651, 1683, 1758, 1763, 1770, 1799, 1876, 1881, 2008, 2110, 2112, 2120, 2160, 2181, 2208, 2249, 2274, 2297, 2302, 2308, 2312, 2323, 2342, 2344, 2352, 2403, 2414, 2425, 2480, 2413, 2523, 2560, 2637, 2642, 2648, 2652, 2877, 2928, 2944, 2961, 2964, 2997, 3026, 3054 [Post 155](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8401818&postcount=155) – Rules recap [Post 237](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8405293&postcount=237) – Discusses 1st night dead, notes that all three played the previous game [Post 253](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8405449&postcount=253) – Agrees w/ **Fretful Porpentine** that it makes sense to go for those who played in the last game. [Post 262](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8405582&postcount=262) – Responds to **MadTheSwine** discussing possible grudges vs. returning players, asks if it was random or revenge. “Can’t be coincidence…” If revenge, should we lynch a returning player? [Post 268](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8405659&postcount=268) – Asks if people should post their experience. Claims he read 1st thread everyday, suspected **Suburban Plankton** of being mason, agreed that **sturmhauke** was seer in the forbidden thread [Post 304](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8405976&postcount=304) - Responds to **Rysto** (pres #300), that Mafia could determine false cops quickly, since they know who’s scum and who’s town, therefore finding real cops. **Rysto** was replying to **CaerieD** D, re: chrisk’s suggestion, re: “cop results.” Agrees w/ **Rysto** , suggests striking chrisk and ET from those to be killed now. Not because he believes chrisk (he doesn’t), but because the latter should always give his info. “We wait until he sees a bad guy…kill that bad guy…If right, maybe he’s a cop. If not, then he’s dead. I know there is only a 50% chance he is right…” Suggests acting on what info we have, regardless of the truth. Votes **sturmhauke** , because “he played the best…from the last time, and did not get killed.” [Post 310](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8406033&postcount=310) – respond to **Rysto** , who didn’t think we should kill **sturmhauke** , rather we should keep him. Finds it suspicious that he was not killed, while others who didn’t play as well were. Asks how killing good players is good for the town. Mafia and SK need to play well to win also. [Post 327](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8406283&postcount=327) – doesn’t trust **sturmhauke** , **Gadarene** , **pimaspinner** , Trusts **Pleonast** , ChrisK. [Post 367](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8407265&postcount=367) – agrees that dnooman was the mafia kill due to spreadsheet and skill at guessing roles. Analyzes OAOW complaining about night posts and rebutting chrisk, re: night posts. Still trusts chrisk. Nothing on Captain Carrot. Suggests OAOW was killed by SK, carrot by the Vig. Wants to hear from **Autolycus**. States that he’s got a couple of distrusts and one vote due to his prolific posting. Claims he won’t stop. Trying to see the experience of playesr and catch them in a lie. “If you lie once, you should die.” Confirms **sturmhauke** vote. [Post 368](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8407272&postcount=368) – adds to chrisK posting cop results that got cut off. [Post 437](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8408430&postcount=437) – defends posting as requested by **Lakai** , **zuma** , who voted for him. Re: asking for experience – trying to find out if people would lie about it. Re: 304/367 – re: voting for **sturmhauke**. Admits the reasons aren’t good, but claims that no one had good reasons. Vote was based on who’d been killed, not what’d been said. Defends self against **Pleonast** for trust of ET and ChrisK. Confirms distrusts – **sturmhauke** , already stated, **Gadarene** for night posting and not saying much…no longer true. Reasoning same for **pimaspinner**. [Post 442](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8408484&postcount=442) – vote count, but notes can’t find where **Winston Smith** voted for him. [Post 464](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8408747&postcount=464) – defends v. **Pleonast** , who claimed he was squirming, re: chrisk. **Pleonast** doesn’t trust him. Appeals to **BlasterMaster** and **storyteller** ’s expressing the same sentiment. [Post 471](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8408793&postcount=471) – defends v. **zuma** , re: fishing for lies by asking for experience. Claims **zuma** is accusing him baselessly. Stated that he’d claimed that it might or “might not” have been a good idea (he did). States that not everyone is good at deception…”who knows what will find out by asking for more information?” [Post 507](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8409287&postcount=507) – agrees to a countdown after a vote (several others, pro-countdown in nothings) [Post 581](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8413965&postcount=581) – re: only two kills, wonders who didn’t get one. ( **CaerieD** later confirmed by **BlasterMaster** ). Analyses **CaerieD** ’s posts, mistrusting **BlasterMaster** , and the “ **Menocchio** crumb.” Notes she voted for **sturmhauke**. Notes **BlasterMaster** suggested SK kill **CaerieD**. Pushes to lynch either **sturmhauke** or **BlasterMaster**. Due to lack of time later on, votes **BlasterMaster**. [Post 599](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8414282&postcount=599) – lists all trust lists. Figures it’s ‘cause he didn’t want to lynch ET, fishing for experience, and being too defensive. Joke about talking too much. Claims this will be the last time defending him self. Props to **Rysto** for his analysis and vote for chrisk, won’t change vote, though. [Post 679](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8415358&postcount=679) – responds to **BlasterMaster** ’s post on strategy and **CaerieD** D’s suspects. Notes that **BlasterMaster** did not post the fact that **BlasterMaster** was on her distrust list. Concludes that **BlasterMaster** is “scum and must die.” [Post 687](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8415390&postcount=687) – Calls out all lurkers to post, including **nesta** and **brewha** , Suggests leaving chrisk alone, due to doubts. Firm FOS on **BlasterMaster** and **Pleonast**. [Post 968](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8420365&postcount=968) – reconfirms FOS of **BlasterMaster** , states that he thinks he was **CaerieD** ’s breadcrumb. Will gain more info by lynching **BlasterMaster**. Discusses reasons for not thinking **Menocchio** was breadcrumb, but won’t for him. Reconfirms “lynch all liars.” Claims to have jumped no bandwagons. States reasons for mistrust of **sturmhauke** again. FOS **BlasterMaster** again and **Pleonast**. Agrees w/ **Lakai** , re: lynching **Pleonast** or **BlasterMaster** for best info. Defends chrisk again. States known facts several known facts, re: previous posters. Concludes that it’s best to lynch **BlasterMaster**. Vote count. Claims Citizen. Makes it on to several trust lists as a result. [Post 980](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8420472&postcount=980) – responds to **zuma** , re: **BlasterMaster** as breadcrumb, people posting experience. Proposes to believe all role claims and all crumbs until proven. [Post 987](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8420597&postcount=987) – responds to **zuma** , re: Q’s thinking is hilarious, asks him to tell how he thinks it is rather than just cutting and pasting. [Post 991](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8420627&postcount=991) – getting pissy w/ **zuma**. Asks for proof that he’s discounting the “obvious” breadcrumb, claims he never has. Doesn’t think **zuma** is scum, pushes for **BlasterMaster** again. Claims not to be on a bandwagon. [Post 992](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8420633&postcount=992) – wants an answer from **zuma**. [Post 1018](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8421080&postcount=1018) – responds to **nesta** stating that **CaerieD** D’s suspicion of **BlasterMaster** is reactionary. States that prior to **CaerieD** D, **BlasterMaster** was generally trusted. [Post 1024](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8421168&postcount=1024) – Doesn’t think the day should end yet. Wants a defense from **BlasterMaster**. States that everyone in danger should defend themselves. Vote list. [Post 1033](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8421225&postcount=1033) – States that he never accused **BlasterMaster** of being gung-ho. He himself is very active player. “number of posts do not indicate anything.” Voting for him for the breadcrumb and that he lied (lynch all liars). Reclaims citizen. [Post 1044](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8421413&postcount=1044) – responds to **BlasterMaster** who claimed to have defended lying, re: trust lists. He lied, lynch all liars. **BlasterMaster** ’s defending his math posts, states that beat cops are useful, not 100%, but better than his 1/31 chance. “If I know someone is a beat cop, and they say X is scum…I am going to vote with them.” Pooh-poohs **BlasterMaster** ’s math posts. Claims great analysis was done by **Rysto**. Reconfirms voting with **CaerieD** ’s post. Thinks both he and **BlasterMaster** will die soon. [Post 1049](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8421517&postcount=1049) – responds to **glee** , thinks that once you get 6 votes, consider defending yourself. Looking forward to **JSexton**. Vote count. [Post 1051](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8421535&postcount=1051) – responds to **Pleonast** asking him to link to where **BlasterMaster** lied. States that **BlasterMaster** admitted that he lied on his mistrust list, who and why he put them there. Doesn’t link. ( **BlasterMaster** responds in 1053) [Post 1056](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8421622&postcount=1056) – posts other people’s statements, re: **BlasterMaster**. [Post 1058](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8421646&postcount=1058) – States he and **BlasterMaster** are going in circles, everything that’s been said has been said, no new info, reclaims citizen. [Post 1077](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422242&postcount=1077) – responds to **JSexton** ’s analysis of him as scum. Defends fishing for players, analysis by timestamp, chrisK as cop – “All claims should be believed.”, the crumb silliness. [Post 1087](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422457&postcount=1087) – responds to **BlasterMaster** ’s Vig claim, states that he thinks **BlasterMaster** is the SK (1st time saying this, after **JSexton** did). Doesn’t believe the claim. Still votes **BlasterMaster**. Likes **Rysto** ’s direction of Vig killing, suggests **Pleonast** , **Gadarene** , himself. [Post 1088](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422461&postcount=1088) – wonders if a win condition is met and he’s the SK **BlasterMaster** wins. What then? [Post 1094](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422538&postcount=1094) – wants to hear **storyteller**. [Post 1098](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422584&postcount=1098) – “if the SK lives, he wins.” Doesn’t care who the Vig is. One of 4 people should be dead by day’s end: **BlasterMaster** , **Pleonast** , **Gadarene** , himself. Unvotes **BlasterMaster** , still believes he’s SK, but willing to direct kill, votes **Pleonast**. FOS **zuma** , suggests gadarene vig kill. [Post 1104](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422619&postcount=1104) – asks **brewha** for SK suggestion and whether Miller should block SK. [Post 1107](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422647&postcount=1107) – Tells **Autolycus** his vote is useless, pick someone else. [Post 1118](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422860&postcount=1118) – 4-5 people on different sides: **BlasterMaster** , **Pleonast** , **zuma** vs. **Gadarene** , himself. **Gadarene** ’s death could give some info, though. Rather have **Pleonast** or **zuma** die. FOS **BlasterMaster** , **Pleonast** , **zuma** , **storyteller** , **sturmhauke** , **hocow** , **Autolycus**. **storyteller** for being on **Pleonast** / **BlasterMaster** trust, **sturmhauke** , **hocow** for not posting and random, **Autolycus** for his posts. [Post 1122](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8422871&postcount=1122) – responds to Pygmy asking **BlasterMaster** who the Doc is. Says he doesn’t since he killed **CaerieD**. SK or mafia might know doc, but not **BlasterMaster**. [Post 1194](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8423702&postcount=1194) – responds to **JSexton** responding to his defense. States it’s not hard to look up info. States he never said he believed chrisk to be a cop. States no one knows the breadcrumb, he believes it’s **BlasterMaster**. [Post 1203](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8423773&postcount=1203) – swan song, asks town to direct **BlasterMaster** kill **Pleonast** or **zuma**. If everyone’s town, look to **Rysto** ’s posts and lynch **JSexton**. [Post 1225](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424047&postcount=1225) – responds to **zuma** , re: **zuma** ’s choices of who to kill, **BlasterMaster** does not choose his kill. [Post 1231](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424085&postcount=1231) – Responds to **zuma** on who **BlasterMaster** should kill. FOS and vote now **zuma**. [Post 1234](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424111&postcount=1234) – Doesn’t want **zuma** to have **BlasterMaster** vote on his kill. Urges **Gadarene** to vote himself, and **pimaspinner**. Wants **BlasterMaster** to kill **zuma**. [Post 1256](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424261&postcount=1256) – Again with the **BlasterMaster** doesn’t get a vote. Wants lynches of (in order) **zuma** , **Pleonast** , **BlasterMaster** , **storyteller** , **Malacandra** , **sturmhauke** , **JSexton** , **hocow** , **Autolycus**. States most people have defended. **Pleonast** has claimed Mason, does not believe him either. Claims town. [Post 1275](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424352&postcount=1275)1275 – in case of a tie and therefore **BlasterMaster** gets to pick kill, unvotes **zuma** , votes **Pleonast** , wants **zuma** assassinated. [Post 1282](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424389&postcount=1282) – plays martyr (the game will go on!), restates not believing **BlasterMaster** , assassinate **zuma**. If scum, go after **Pleonast** (who he doesn’t believe either) and vig kill **JSexton**. Claims vanilla citizen. [Post 1289](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424442&postcount=1289) – Wants everyone to vote for his side or **JSexton** / **zuma** ’s and allow **BlasterMaster** a choice. Vig gadarene if Q scum, vig **zuma** if Q town. [Post 1297](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424493&postcount=1297) – reiterates above to **zuma**. [Post 1300](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424524&postcount=1300) – reiterates above to **JSexton** [Post 1307](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424604&postcount=1307) – calls the “other side” juvenile and dumb. States they fake role claims, allow a tool a vote and “crap posts.” [Post 1310](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424650&postcount=1310) – asks **zuma** why he’s waiting for **BlasterMaster** ’s input. Calls him scum. [Post 1322](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424791&postcount=1322) – vig plan again. [Post 1336](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424855&postcount=1336) – to **zuma** – the plan again. [Post 1344](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424941&postcount=1344) – states he was just playing around, being mean to **zuma**. Doesn’t want a whole bunch of nothing posts (!) for mafia to hide behind. After yesterday. [Post 1346](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8424950&postcount=1346) – to **JSexton** , doesn’t want a mason to out themselves confirming **Pleonast**. [Post 1355](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8425028&postcount=1355) – martyrs “please don’t unlynch me…I’m still dead.” Unless…go for **zuma** (joking). [Post 1369](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8425115&postcount=1369) – Asks to die. **zuma** claims mason after. [Post 1404](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8425282&postcount=1404) – doesn’t believe **zuma** (after **Pleonast** confirms). Maybe real masons just haven’t posted yet. This is either a scum conspiracy (revealed after his death and **zuma** ’s assassination). More roles to kill from scum. Or town’s a big clusterfuck and mafia’s laughing their asses off. Lists **sturmhauke** , **Fretful Porpentine** , **StarvingButStrong** , smitty, **hocow** , **kivvik** , **Aguecheek** , **ArizonaTeach** as low posters. If second scenario, go for them. [Post 1414](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8425316&postcount=1414) – Agrees w/ **BlasterMaster** that **BlasterMaster** kills who we say or we kill him. Should get 2 kills/day w/ vig, 1 from mafia, 1 from SK. Best interest for everyone to get the SK. [Post 1416](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8425328&postcount=1416) – martyrs. Kill him, kill **zuma**. If **zuma** didn’t lie, go for low posters. [Post 1423](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8425360&postcount=1423) – states **Pleonast** had no reason to claim w/ 6 votes (that was okay earlier). [Post 1429](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8425383&postcount=1429) – asks **BlasterMaster** why he thinks **hocow** is the SK. Can wait to tomorrow if he thinks it’s a scum trick. “Believing…who the SK is is helpful to all.” ---
**Author:** ![Aguecheek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Aguecheek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aguecheek)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3134 "2007-04-23T16:21:41Z")
[Post 1455](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8425538&postcount=1455) – responds to **glee** , stating that there’s a good chance the real masons haven’t read the thread yet. Re: votes for **Gadarene** , if town, kill **zuma** , if scum, kill him. Claims citizen, distrust of **BlasterMaster** is fading, but doesn’t necessarily believe role claims. Asks for no more role claims. [Post 1459](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8425632&postcount=1459) – asks how best to accept a mason role claim. States have been believing all role claims no matter how stupid. Asks masons to direct **BlasterMaster** to **Aguecheek** (1st FOS) or **JSexton**. Can explain (never does). [Post 1463](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8425656&postcount=1463) – accepts **JSexton** ’s clarification, re: no more confirming needed of masons. [Post 1474](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8425718&postcount=1474) – stands by analysis of town v. town or huge mafia plot. Thinks it’s town v. town. New scum list – **sturmhauke** , **Fretful Porpentine** , **StarvingButStrong** , **Smitty** , **hocow** , **kivvik** , **Aguecheek** , **ArizonaTeach**. Votes **Aguecheek**. [Post 1521](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8426272&postcount=1521) – responds to **JSexton** saying he was scummy, now seems town. States **JSexton** had everything completely wrong. States he was wrong re: **BlasterMaster** , **zuma** , **Pleonast**. Pushes to vote on things known, not things guessed. Restates scum list, no changes. Doesn’t think any main players are scum Votes vig kill of **Aguecheek** if **Gadarene** town, himelf if **Gadarene** scum. [Post 1540](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8426934&postcount=1540) – mostly nothing, agrees w/ **Autolycus** that **Autolycus** ’s list needs to post more. [Post 1682](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8430888&postcount=1682) – ( **Winston Smith** , **nesta** are dead) states Q, **BlasterMaster** , **zuma** , **Pleonast** need to shut up. They were all wrong. Lists low posters, lists day one votes. Those who voted ET, 5 are confirmed town (“assuming we believe all role claims, as this has been my strategy since the beginning, it isn’t changing now). Lists day 2 votes (omits **Aguecheek** vote for him). Comes up w/ some correlation for **FCOD** , **ArizonaTeach** , **storyteller**. Wonders about non voters from day 1 (lists them). Wonders re: **brewha** voting for **BlasterMaster** , Q, **Gadarene** …kept jumping on bandwagons. FOS **MonkeyMensch** for “acting in concert w/ **nesta** ,” no voting and bandwaggoning. Not casting a vote yet. Wants confirmed townies to vote 1st. Suggests 28 townies left. Scum: **brewha** , Monkeymensch, **Aguecheek** , **FCOD**. Calls on low posters to speak up. **Aguecheek** responds that he missed A’s vote for Q and that he’d already defended his one major action ( **sturmhauke** vote), for the exact same reasons as Q. [Post 1688](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8431060&postcount=1688) – responds to **brewha** defense, which was that **Gadarene** /Q on opposite sides. States he and **Gadarene** were on the same side. Aguecheek later points out that Q skipped over 2 spots that could reflect badly on him. [Post 1734](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8432304&postcount=1734) – apologizes for getting post counts wrong (small post), doesn’t respond to **Aguecheek** or **sturmhauke** directly. [Post 1795](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8435070&postcount=1795) – lists post counts, agrees lynch all lurker isn’t good, but **Smitty** , **Fretful Porpentine** and **sturmhauke** still don’t post much. Helpful in the last game doesn’t help. Asks **Kat** about conclusions from [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8431127&postcount=1693). Asks **Fern Forest** about math and usernames. [Post 1866](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8437122&postcount=1866) – asks **storyteller** whether the **FCOD** vote still stands or going for **pimaspinner**? [Post 1870](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8437373&postcount=1870) – responds to **Suburban Plankton** about **BlasterMaster** picking his kills. Doesn’t think **BlasterMaster** is mafia. Thinks **Suburban Plankton** discussing it is suspicious, felt it was a done deal. Don’t worry about vig kill yet. [Post 1899](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8438596&postcount=1899) – responds to **Fern Forest** asking miller to block **hocow**. If **hocow** is SK, he/she can just choose not to kill. No way to know who SK is until someone kills them. If the SK has not been killed by the time odds are evened, then lynch **BlasterMaster** to eliminate possibility of him being SK and the killing of extra people. Concetrate on scum…forget the SK right now. [Post 1904](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8438652&postcount=1904) – appeal to **Fern Forest**. Please forget SK and concentrate on mafia. [Post 1929](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8439858&postcount=1929) – tells **MadTheSwine** not to worry about the SK. Should not be killed tonight. Only kill mafia. Getting snippy. [Post 1943](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8440395&postcount=1943) – clarifies that we should kill the SK, just not tonight. Emphasizes that SK has to kill 27 people, and that we shouldn’t worry about it. Refuses to say anything more on it. [Post 1951](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8441053&postcount=1951) – refuses to discuss SK having to kill less than 27 people with **Aguecheek**. [Post 1952](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8441064&postcount=1952) – Day 1, 2, and 3 vote lists. [Post 1963](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8442068&postcount=1963) – thinks that **JSexton** and **pimaspinner** are scum, as well as **FCOD**. FOS **Aguecheek** , **MadTheSwine** and MonkeyMensch. Votes **pimaspinner** , vig kill **FCOD**. [Post 2006](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8443290&postcount=2006) – accepts **pimaspinner** ’s claim, unvotes **pimaspinner** , votes **FCOD** , vig kill **Suburban Plankton** [Post 2107](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8444640&postcount=2107) – unvote **FCOD** after miller claim, vig kill **FCOD**. Doesn’t think cops should investigate twice. 50/50 is good enough. Votes **Fern Forest**. [Post 2118](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8444784&postcount=2118) – unvotes **Fern Forest** , votes **JSexton** , per **zuma** ’s request (‘cause he’s voting with the masons). [Post 2129](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8444952&postcount=2129) – tells **pimaspinner** to state who she’s investigating. Bad idea for GA to protect because it’s only a one shot deal. [Post 2140](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8445113&postcount=2140) – responds to **BlasterMaster** ’s posting about mafia leaving him alone (re: no Dr for him), ‘cuz he might be useful to go after the SK. Doesn’t think **BlasterMaster** ’s that valuable. Cops are more so. Doc should protect cop. [Post 2158](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8445678&postcount=2158) – unvotes **JSexton** due to Doc claim. Lists confirmed town. Asks whether other cop should claim, GA should protect them, **JSexton** protects himself. [Post 2173](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8445868&postcount=2173) – doesn’t want to lynch **Fern Forest**. Wants **MonkeyMensch** or **Suburban Plankton** instead, lists reasons, votes **Suburban Plankton**. Suggests **BlasterMaster** not test **FCOD** ’s claim, but have millers go for scum (listed as **MonkeyMensch** , **Fern Forest** , **sturmhauke** , **Aguecheek** ). [Post 2177](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8445934&postcount=2177) – ditches role claim idea. Believes **JSexton** , want him to protect **pimaspinner** , but random may be better. Thinks we’re screwed if the cop’s lost. [Post 2187](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8446029&postcount=2187) – suggests leaving **Suburban Plankton** as the vote for now. [Post 2191](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8446131&postcount=2191) – agrees w/ **BlasterMaster** ’s plan, re: **JSexton**. [Post 2195](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8446173&postcount=2195) – states doctor is not as important as a cop. [Post 2198](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8446211&postcount=2198) – states we may have a GA who can target the 2 cops. Doesn’t belive **JSexton** over **pimaspinner**. [Post 2201](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8446243&postcount=2201) – no use investigating **JSexton**. **pimaspinner** is more important. ( **Suburban Plankton** hung) [Post 2357](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8453414&postcount=2357) – searched all **Suburban Plankton** ’s and **kivvik** ’s posts. ( **kivvik** , **FCOD** , **zuma** dead) [Post 2360](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8453466&postcount=2360) – no doubts re: **pimaspinner** and **BlasterMaster**. Waits for **Fern Forest** result for **pimaspinner**. Don’t go after **JSexton**. [Post 2370](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8453793&postcount=2370) – lists **kivvik** posts, thinks it clears **Fretful Porpentine** and **Autolycus**. [Post 2376](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8453942&postcount=2376) – votes **Fern Forest** per **pimaspinner** ’s investigation of SK. Other cop investigate someone else. 50/50 is fine by him. [Post 2382](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8453980&postcount=2382) – unvotes **Fern Forest** , votes **Autolycus** , vig kill **Fern Forest**. [Post 2393](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8454045&postcount=2393) – wonders why the SK left **pimaspinner** alive. States if he was SK, would’ve taken the risk. [Post 2400](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8454117&postcount=2400) – agrees that it’s weird **Fern Forest** talked a lot about the SK, and didn’t try to kill **pimaspinner**. Lynch **Autolycus** , vig **Fern Forest**. “We need to get the SK.” [Post 2424](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8454353&postcount=2424) – doesn’t want masons to come out. States that if **Pleonast** dies, and a mason is targeted and claims, he will belive it absent a counter claim. [Post 2442](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8454697&postcount=2442) – lists **Suburban Plankton** s posts. States that it leads him to believe that **Autolycus** is the GF, **glee** , **sturmhauke** , **Aguecheek** needs to be investigated. And him. [Post 2443](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8454739&postcount=2443) – responds to **cowgirl** , weird that **Lakai** defended **Autolycus**. Wonders if the mafia plan was for **Autolycus** to roleplay. [Post 2469](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8455709&postcount=2469) – agrees w/ **BlasterMaster** , re: **Aguecheek** , **Lakai** as scum, can’t remember reasoning for **Pygmy Rugger**. No feeling for **glee**. [Post 2470](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8455736&postcount=2470) – responds to **cowgirl** , re: **FCOD** “blocking” **Malacandra**. Thinks it’s in Mal’s favour. [Post 2479](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8456086&postcount=2479) – wonders who **pimaspinner** should investigate. Wants to lynch **Autolycus** now. Investigation list – **glee** , **Lakai** , **Aguecheek** , **sturmhauke** , **Pygmy Rugger**. [Post 2486](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8456172&postcount=2486) – thinks **Autolycus** ’s hint, re: **MadTheSwine** is a hint to **Autolycus** being a cop. [Post 2490](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8456310&postcount=2490) – **FCOD** post analysis, believes **JSexton** ’s claim, wonders about **FCOD** trust lists. Wonders why **glee** gets all the attention. Wonders why **Aguecheek** is on the distrust list. [Post 2512](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8457208&postcount=2512) – responds to **Lakai** responding to his suspicions – wonders why the anger. Distrusts him defending **Autolycus** and mentioning **glee**. [Post 2547](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8457954&postcount=2547) – thinks **pimaspinner** investigation list of **Lakai** , pygmy rugger, **Aguecheek** is good. [Post 2555](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8458099&postcount=2555) – responds to **Fern Forest** , who he’s willing to lynch due to 50/50 odds of a correct read by **pimaspinner**. Asks who **BlasterMaster** should target if **Autolycus** is the SK and not Godfather, realizes in 2560 that if **Autolycus** is SK, **BlasterMaster** won’t need to target anyone. Wonders why we should wait for **JSexton** ’s views. Until his claim is verified by death, doesn’t trust him. Want to let **pimaspinner** investigate who she wants. Should tell us so the other cop can investigate someone else. [Post 2587](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8458718&postcount=2587) – responds to **JSexton** wondering why he was cleared. States that he isn’t, along with **JSexton** and **Rysto**. But there are better targets right now. [Post 2597](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8458956&postcount=2597) – wants **Autolycus** ’s defense [Post 2719](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8466360&postcount=2719) – ( **Fern Forest** , **BlasterMaster** , **JSexton** dead) Didn’t think we did anything wrong, cop said **Fern Forest** was the beat cop, doesn’t want to worry about math, it’s 50/50. SK is now a danger to both factions. No one to vote for. [Post 2739](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8470574&postcount=2739) – doesn’t want to argue about math. Boils down to 50/50. [Post 2763](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8474292&postcount=2763) – votes **Malacandra** for posting about math. 50/50 is the way to go. Thinks he has been seen as town “due to my posts.” [Post 2768](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8474588&postcount=2768) – dismisses **Malacandra** ’s math posts. Wants a reason for a vote for him. [Post 2771](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8474654&postcount=2771) – dismiss math. [Post 2773](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8474676&postcount=2773)2773 – dismiss math. [Post 2789](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8474982&postcount=2789) – suggests **pimaspinner** not investigate **Lakai** , wants someone new. Will vote for **pimaspinner** – 50/50 is good. [Post 2797](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8475328&postcount=2797) – dismiss math. [Post 2800](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8475346&postcount=2800) – dismiss math. [Post 2804](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8475394&postcount=2804) – dismiss math, accepts 50/50. [Post 2805](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8475403&postcount=2805) – responds to **Lakai** , dismissing math. [Post 2810](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8475442&postcount=2810) – dismisses math, promises **Malacandra** analysis. [Post 2821](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8475805&postcount=2821) – **Malacandra** analysis, claims there’s not much there, only math. [Post 2822](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8475823&postcount=2822) – responds to why he got defensive – called a moron, never answered accusations. If that’s good enough to lynch him, go ahead. [Post 2827](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8475999&postcount=2827) – analyzes **Malacandra** posts, suspicious ‘cause there’s nothing there. Only asking for some people to out themselves and math. Isn’t sure if he’s scum, to be honest, though. [Post 2848](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8477391&postcount=2848) – notices he still has lots of votes, hopes it’s because of his talking, not because of **Aguecheek** ’s FOS as SK. “Ballsy to hide so much in the open,” but he’s not that smart, nor is he the SK. **Malacandra** hasn’t posted much. He’s looked at **hocow** , will post analysis, suggests everyone do so. [Post 2850](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8477533&postcount=2850)2850 - **hocow** analysis. Concludes townie. [Post 2851](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8477570&postcount=2851) – notes **Malacandra** never voted for 12 hour countdown. [Post 2874](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8478446&postcount=2874) – responds to **Aguecheek** role claim. Promises to post **Aguecheek** post analysis. [Post 2882](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8478613&postcount=2882) – states **Aguecheek** analysis supports claim. [Post 2884](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8478718&postcount=2884) – **Aguecheek** analysis. All seems to fit claim Doesn’t want to risk lynch. Wonders why never investigated **MonkeyMensch**. [Post 2886](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8478768&postcount=2886) – suggest believe role claims, everyone vote for **Malacandra** , him. Or vote for **MonkeyMensch**. [Post 2909](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8479147&postcount=2909) – MonkeyMensch analysis. Claims a lot of nothing posts. Constant FOS of **brewha**. Read the thread a lot, no analysis. FOS scum Investigation list: **glee** , **brewha** , **MonkeyMensch** , pygmy, **Malacandra**. [Post 2913](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8479209&postcount=2913) – respond to **cowgirl** , re: posting anaylsis of those who’ve been nightkilled. [Post 2917](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8479294&postcount=2917) – concludes **MadTheSwine** will die. Investigate list: (no change)…oh, and him, ‘cause he talks a lot. [Post 2919](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8479325&postcount=2919) – asks **Fretful Porpentine** if he’s got **brewha** ’s voting pattern. ---
**Author:** ![Aguecheek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Aguecheek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aguecheek)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3135 "2007-04-23T16:24:22Z")
[Post 2927](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8479568&postcount=2927) – unvotes **Malacandra** , votes **MonkeyMensch**. [Post 2940](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8479728&postcount=2940) – likes **Aguecheek** reporting first, don’t know why he should investigate him, but whatever. [Post 2985](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8483549&postcount=2985) – ( **pimaspinner** , **glee** dead), wants to hear from **sturmhauke** and **Aguecheek** to report findings. [Post 2992](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8483768&postcount=2992) – warns vs. **cowgirl** posts (pre v. post). Promises **Fretful Porpentine** analysis. **glee** was taken out by the SK to cast suspicion his way. **glee** on top of his investigation list. [Post 3001](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8484084&postcount=3001) – per **brewha** / **sturmhauke** hauke, will look at **storyteller** and **StarvingButStrong**. [Post 3009](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8484222&postcount=3009) – do **storyteller** first ‘cause **StarvingButStrong** isn’t pinging scumdar. Doesn’t trust **Aguecheek**. Wonders why **Aguecheek** investigated him. Dismisses **Aguecheek** investigation. [Post 3018](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8484636&postcount=3018) – agrees cop is good mafia cover. If he lives 2 more nights, should lynch him. Asks **brewha** why **MonkeyMensch** isn’t scum. Opinions on **Malacandra**? (never responds to **Aguecheek** response on 3019) [Post 3021](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8484837&postcount=3021) – prelim **storyteller** analysis. Really likes it. Concludes town. Votes pygmy rugger. Scum list – **Pygmy Rugger** , **MonkeyMensch** , **Malacandra** , **brewha**. Promises **MonkeyMensch** analysis. [Post 3024](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8484994&postcount=3024) – **storyteller** analysis. [Post 3025](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8485007&postcount=3025) – voting for **Pygmy Rugger** ‘cause **storyteller** did. [Post 3029](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8485103&postcount=3029) – responds to **brewha** , thinks it’s good to analyze everone. [Post 3043](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8485796&postcount=3043) – thinks **Rysto** is trusted because of spreadsheet and good advice. Kudos to **brewha**. [Post 3044](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8485901&postcount=3044) – analysis posts. [Post 3049](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8486039&postcount=3049) – dismisses **brewha** impression of **MonkeyMensch** , posts why. Stronger FOS of **MonkeyMensch**. suggests other analyses of people, tries to assign them. Promises **Pygmy Rugger** analysis. [Post 3050](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8486041&postcount=3050) – repeat. [Post 3057](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8486072&postcount=3057) – assigns analyses. [Post 3064](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8486165&postcount=3064) – assigns analyses. And that’s what I’ve got. There are some editorials of mine in there, thoughts that poked up while I was reading. Some I erased when the questions were cleared up, some stayed in because the question was still there, some stayed in because I forgot about them and wasn’t going to go back and look for them. There were no more posts by the time I finished, and I wasn’t going to refresh looking for more, either. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3136 "2007-04-23T17:06:33Z")
Thanks for all the heavy lifting, everyone. If only I could decide who to vote for. It’s too soon for me to vote anyway (remembering what happened last Day). List of Suspicion on those who haven’t voted yet: Aguecheek cowgirl Fretful Porpentine Malacandra Menocchio Pygmy Rugger Rysto StarvingButStrong Get your votes in, lest ye be scum! ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3137 "2007-04-23T17:14:28Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] Thanks for all the heavy lifting, everyone. If only I could decide who to vote for. It’s too soon for me to vote anyway (remembering what happened last Day). List of Suspicion on those who haven’t voted yet: Aguecheek cowgirl Fretful Porpentine Malacandra Menocchio Pygmy Rugger **Rysto** StarvingButStrong Get your votes in, lest ye be scum! [/QUOTE] Bolding mine: Just a reminder. \*\*Rysto \*\* will be out of the game until Wednesday. (Not that you didn’t know that **Pleonast** , just that seeing \*\*Rysto’s \*\* name on your list reminded me to remind you guys.) ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3138 "2007-04-23T17:16:06Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] Thanks for all the heavy lifting, everyone. If only I could decide who to vote for. It’s too soon for me to vote anyway (remembering what happened last Day). List of Suspicion on those who haven’t voted yet: Aguecheek cowgirl Fretful Porpentine Malacandra Menocchio Pygmy Rugger Rysto StarvingButStrong Get your votes in, lest ye be scum! [/QUOTE] Hey, you’re not on that list! 😉 I thought I voted yesterday, my bad. I’m going to vote cowgirl, for reasons i’ve expressed previously. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3139 "2007-04-23T17:44:53Z")
Writing quickly to say sorry for my nonparticipation over the last few days. New Jersey Comcast sucks, and I experienced all kinds of cable and Internet interruptions over the weekend. Fortunately, I am now back at work, with a reliable connection and a bit of free time this afternoon. I’m’a gonna’ do a bit of catch up reading and be back with further thoughts later. But on first glance: wow. That’s a lot of very impressive work by everyone. This may take a while. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3140 "2007-04-23T17:45:47Z")
Oops, I forgot about **Rysto**. I’ll still shame him for not voting, but don’t think anyone should vote for him. Confirmed Townies are not on the list (me and **sturmhauke** ). **Menocchio** is probably excused as well, but isn’t absolutely confirmed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=156) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=158)