# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 171
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3401 "2007-04-30T18:20:51Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Look, I’m not sure what the point of continuing this discussion is anymore, but the fact is that you are wrong about this. There is a third alternative: that the Mafia sees no good reason to night kill **Queuing** because the town appears to be on the verge of lynching him just about every day. This may not be the case, but it is a possibility. That you continue to ignore the existence of this third alternative is frankly dishonest discussion. [/QUOTE] I didn’t say it was the whole story. Frankly I don’t see the point of continuing this discussion today either. I’ll resume it tomorrow if I’m still alive. We all have less than a 1/5 chance of surviving the night at this point (if the SK is still going after town.) If I get taken out tonight, I hope you guys at least entertain my theories. ---
**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3402 "2007-04-30T18:22:49Z")
**Kat** ’s posts (sorry for the unconscionable delay … I’m still working on it but wanted to get this in before nightfall) My opinion FWIW: I think she’s town. She’s been helpful and her thinking always sounds quite reasonable to me. Of course, she wasn’t one of the more active posters, and since I have concluded that the remaining mafia are (probably) not among the more active posters, I wouldn’t say she is entirely clear of suspicion. Just mostly. Look for the rest of her posts tomorrow. **Day 1** starting p. 7 … 358 - FOS Smitty for casting the third vote for Auto 362 - trusts Rysto, CaerieD and nesta; “jury’s out” on Auto; 365 - inconsequential **Night 2** 539 - supports 12-hour countdown **Day 2** 595 - “In the original Werewolf thread, someone (damn, do I want to go look and see?) said that a shortened day is more beneficial to the wolves than the town;” “Since I didn’t get to vote last time due to the timing, I’m going to paranoid-ly (is that a word) get an early vote in and vote for chrisk.” 596 - clarifying above post 600 - jokes about Menocchio being Godfather 604 - troubled by > [@](#): > > sudden and complete change of trusted and mistrusted people? Why did Blaster Master go from trusted to untrusted and Menocchio the opposite? And what did Kivvik and Zuma do that made them untrusted? I don’t remember them posting anything very objectionable. True, the later revisions are mostly adding mistrusted people, but the first list to the second is a complete turnaround. [lists what appears to be Queuing’s list of Pleonast’s trust lists] - this line of reasoning results in her suspicion of Blaster Master 630 - discussion of Queuing’s suggestion of countdown period (point of favour) and request for experience (point of disfavour); reserving judgement for now. - Clarifies suspicion of FCOD "cuz you’ve got DOOM in your name, of course.’ - Accuses **Blaster Master** of being sketchy with his trust lists 670 - doesn’t think Auto is scum 671 - “Damn lousy coding. Grrrrr…” 678 - nacho request of my earlier incarnation 689 - clarifies that millers block people, not roles; unvotes chrisk 713 - vote Pleonast based on his pressing for trust lists 771 - says blaster Master deliberately lied in his own trust list 779 - accusing Blaster Master some more 829 - “If you don’t have any other good Mafia suspicions, vote for the disruptive/unhelpful players…” provides (what I consider to be) satisfactory reasoning 835 - Defends the above reasoning with Auto as an example, pointing out that she doesn’t mean to imply that Auto is beng disruptive 837 - inconsequential 879 - inconsequential 893 - [in the context of a discussion about Pygmy Rugger saying that three posters said they’d be away when they said no such thing], points out Pygmy Rugger’s activity thus far (day 1: no contribution; day 2: vote for chrisk/JSexton, drinking posts); asks for explanation ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3403 "2007-04-30T18:24:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Here we have Aguecheek voting for Queuing and Queuing voting for Aguecheek. It really seems that they are on opposite sides. Or, one of them is the SK. If Aguecheek comes up town, we really have to string up Queuing tomorrow. > > The way I see it. If Aguecheek comes up town, that means that Queuing is the SK or mafia. The mafia wants to kill the SK as badly as we do at this point. If Queuing lives through the night, he has to be mafia. I don’t buy this. Most of the “sides” that have been drawn up so far have been town vs. town. (For the record, I _do_ think **Aguecheek** is scum, but it’s perfectly possible for a townie to think this and be wrong.) ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3404 "2007-04-30T18:25:49Z")
Glad to see you got all **Kat** ’s triple digit post counts laid out. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3405 "2007-04-30T18:28:39Z")
[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger] Glad to see you got all **Kat** ’s triple digit post counts laid out. 😉 [/QUOTE] To my credit, I’ve read up to 1446 and she hasn’t posted again yet in Day 2. This thing is LONG. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3406 "2007-04-30T18:29:56Z")
OK, I’ve refreshed this thing twenty times in the last two minutes. I’m _dying_ here. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3407 "2007-04-30T18:30:12Z")
\*\*Cowgirl \*\* you will have to wait to finish that. Sorry to stop you mid analysis, but this round is over. \*And, another day closes on the little port town of Doperville. The gallows has become a regular fixture of town life these days, and most people wake up in the morning expecting to be wrongly lynched by the day’s end. Life has gotten rough for the town, mob rule is getting worse, and it seems as though there is no one who will be able to survive the insane Serial Killers attacks. But after much debate the town decided to put Aguecheek’s claim of cop to the test. “SO WHAT!” they shouted. “If he is a cop he is awfully bad at his job, he only gets things right 50% of the time!” Some fought back and said that a bad cop was better than no cop, but this minority viewpoint lost out, and Aguecheek walked to the gallows with his head held high, knowing he did his level best to help his team. He died with dignity and a smile on his face.\* **Aguecheek - mafia** Has been killed 48 hours for night votes. See you all again in 2 days! ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3408 "2007-04-30T18:31:59Z")
Sweet, score one for the good guys! _runs out to buy new F5 button_ ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3409 "2007-04-30T18:33:24Z")
Thank OG! I’m heading to the bar. First round’s on me! ---
**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3410 "2007-04-30T18:34:37Z")
YEEHAW! Congratulations folks! This was all you, as I was never convinced of his scumminess. Good call. First round’s on me. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3411 "2007-04-30T18:34:52Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] Thank OG! I’m heading to the bar. First round’s on me! [/QUOTE] Shit, at this point, I’ll drink with you. Maybe a bit of good news’ll calm us all down a little. ---
**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3412 "2007-04-30T18:35:46Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] First round’s on me! [/QUOTE] oh yeah? Wanna fight? ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3413 "2007-04-30T18:36:51Z")
Yeah Baby! Patient discourse, a little public reasoning and a newly taller Mafioso! I’m off to the pub to feel, well, something other than benighted… ---
**Author:** ![Aguecheek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Aguecheek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aguecheek)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3414 "2007-04-30T18:37:38Z")
Can I keep the badge? Huh? How 'bout the nightstick? Guys? Ah well, two nights of dead townies rather than dead Mafia. I’m happy with that. To paraphrase others who’ve gone into that long dark night ahead of me: “Bah! Go Scum!” It’s been a hoot, everyone. Thanks for the game. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3415 "2007-04-30T18:40:06Z")
Oh and deadfolk, the forbidden threads got moved from IMHO to MPSIMS. So if you are planning to pop on by that is where to look. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3416 "2007-04-30T18:46:48Z")
[QUOTE=cowgirl] oh yeah? Wanna fight? [/QUOTE] Hey, as long as the booze is flowing, I don’t care who’s buying. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3417 "2007-04-30T18:52:12Z")
Hey, what do you know? My scumdar isn’t completely useless after all. I have to compliment **Aguecheek** on his role-claim, though. It had just enough truth in it to confuse the town, and made late enough in the Day to force us to make a poor choice. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3418 "2007-04-30T18:53:31Z")
Well played, **Aguecheek**! Don’t worry, we’ll soon be sending some of your friends to play with in the great thread beyond. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3419 "2007-04-30T19:03:42Z")
Now that we are down to many fewer players, I was thinking about taking a day off of the day cycle. What do y’all think? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3420 "2007-04-30T19:47:21Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] Now that we are down to many fewer players, I was thinking about taking a day off of the day cycle. What do y’all think? [/QUOTE] Fine by me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=170) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=172)