# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 176
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3501 "2007-05-03T22:14:38Z")
just because it has changed _so_ much since this morning: 2- hocow (StarvingButStrong, Pleonast) 2- Pygmy Rugger - (Queuing, brewha) 1- MonkeyMensch - (Lakai) 1- brewha - (Fretful Porpentine) don’t think I missed anyone. Get your votes in people, only a little more than 24 hours to go! ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3502 "2007-05-03T22:22:29Z")
Hocow - you need 2 posts Lakai - you need 2 posts Pleonast - you need 2 posts Rysto - you need 1 post ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3503 "2007-05-03T23:11:48Z")
At this point, I still believe that the SK has got to go. The only real hint we have for an SK identifier is that he or she will want to avoid attention from both the Town and the Mafia. The three most “under the radar” players (on my radar anyway) are **hocow**. **StarvingButStrong** and **Rysto** \*. **Rysto** I’m pretty sure is Town. **StarvingButStrong** is slightly higher on my possible-Town list, so I’ll vote hocow. Yeah, yeah, I know I said **hocow** had a point about **Fretful Porpentine** ’s **Blaster Master** -related conspiracy theory, but such an elaborate theory is more likely to attract attention, rather than less, it’s just so out there. (Although, I’d still like to know what **Fretful** was [del]smoking[/del] thinking, if she can.) \*And **Pleonast** , but he’s mason. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3504 "2007-05-03T23:48:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Yeah, yeah, I know I said hocow had a point about Fretful Porpentine’s Blaster Master-related conspiracy theory, but such an elaborate theory is more likely to attract attention, rather than less, it’s just so out there. (Although, I’d still like to know what Fretful was smoking thinking, if she can.) Well, as near as I can remember, I was thinking: a) there was no way the recent role claims could ALL be true; b) all the smoke and mirrors about whom the Vig could kill had resulted in the death of **Winston Smith** , a townie, and I was inclined to think Mafia had engineered it; c) one particular exchange between **glee** and **Blaster Master** kind of reminded me of that scene in _Richard III_\* where Richard and Buckingham fix things up between them so Richard ends up with the crown while making a public show of refusing it. a) and b) had some partial grain of truth to them, since one of the role-claimers (FCOD) really was lying, and **kivvik** did, in fact, nudge everyone toward **Winston Smith** during the debate. As for c), my only excuse is that I wrote large chunks of my MA thesis on that scene 🙂 I’m not sure why I thought the Vig wouldn’t kill anybody who made a false Vig role claim at once. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3505 "2007-05-04T00:58:57Z")
[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger] Voting for the person you’re third most suspicious of? Seems like a little bit more of that “playing for yourself” strategy. [/QUOTE] I don’t know why, but this post strikes me as an opportunistic attack of brewha. Storyteller was the first to raise suspicion of brewha’s “playing for yourself” strategy and now Pygmy Rugger is bringing it up again with very weak reasoning to back it up. How do you get “playing for yourself” out of voting for the third most suspicious player? I see no connection, all I see is Pygmy Rugger trying to get a bandwagon going. Unvote MonkeyMensch. Vote for Pygmy Rugger ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3506 "2007-05-04T01:06:04Z")
I printed out **Rysto** ’s (thank you) spreadsheet of votes and **hocow** always ended up with a vote on a townie at end of day. That is until yesterday (game time) when with fifteen real life minutes to go she jumps on the **Aguecheek** bandwagon with [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8520990&postcount=3398). It just struck me as a quickie rationale: “for many reasons already mentioned.” Hocow had also been sticking out from the scum side of my uncertainty cloud so I vote **hocow**. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3507 "2007-05-04T12:47:14Z")
12 hours or so left, everyone. Get your posts in; we really can’t afford a modkill, and especially not a mod massacre. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3508 "2007-05-04T13:07:04Z")
Well it looks like hocow might die on her own. But Pleonast and Rysto should really post. ---
**Author:** ![hocow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hocow/32/4112_2.png) [@hocow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hocow)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3509 "2007-05-04T13:09:00Z")
Well, it looks like I may be headed to the gallows today, but I’ll throw in my vote for MonkeyMensch. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3510 "2007-05-04T13:17:30Z")
If I’m reading this right, I"m on the Pygmy Rugger wagon with Queuing and Lakai. I don’t like it. Unvote Pygmy Rugger ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3511 "2007-05-04T13:24:38Z")
Vote count at present: 4 - **hocow** - (StarvingButStrong, Pleonast, Kat, MonkeyMensch) 2 - **Pygmy Rugger** - (Queuing, Lakai) 1 - **MonkeyMensch** - (hocow) 1 - **brewha** - (Fretful Porpentine) Haven’t voted: **brewha, storyteller0910 (me), Rysto, Pygmy Rugger** As for me, I am torn. After I made my last post, basically aiming suspicion at **Pygmy** (again) and **MonkeyMensch** , **Pygmy** responded. **MonkeyMensch** , by way of contrast, has not aswered my comments and has only poked in with a quickie vote for the player already leading in the vote. On the other hand, **Pygmy** hasn’t voted at all. I need to think about this a few more minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3512 "2007-05-04T14:06:02Z")
I haven’t voted yet because I hadn’t decided which of my top 3 to vote for when I left the office yesterday, and was out of town all evening. I most likely won’t be on until right before the day ends. [QUOTE=brewha] There’s probably four mafia left. I’m pretty sure that my top three are all scum (either mafia or SK). It doesn’t matter which order they die. \ We can only lynch one at a time. As long as the lynchee is on my list, I don’t care which order we go. [/QUOTE] Fair enough. Now, I totally get where you’re comming from. Now that I’m online, I want to cast my vote, but I’m pretty sure **storyteller** ’s going to call me out for being oportunistic if I vote **hocow**. However, I think **brewha** and **Lakai** are right. It doesn’t matter which of the three people on my scum list die, as long as I think they’re all scum. I’m torn between voting for **hocow** , **brewha** , or holding my vote until I get home. But, I think not voting is even more suspicious, and since **brewha** just unvoted me, I’m going to go for hocow. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3513 "2007-05-04T14:17:57Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] I don’t know why, but this post strikes me as an opportunistic attack of brewha. Storyteller was the first to raise suspicion of brewha’s “playing for yourself” strategy and now Pygmy Rugger is bringing it up again with very weak reasoning to back it up. \ [/QUOTE] **storyteller** was also the first to bring up me being opportunistic in my attacks. Your reasoning to back it up seems pretty weak, too, especially considering you “don’t know why”. :dubious: NAF, can you give **Pleonast** a break, since he’s told us he doesn’t want to post as much to avoid pointing the crowd in any direction, given his status? And give **Rysto** and/or **hocow** at least until the “morning” to make their posts, if they don’t come in “today”? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3514 "2007-05-04T14:36:25Z")
Don’t worry, I’ll post. 😃 Players I don’t trust, because of laying low: **hocow** and **Rysto**. Few votes, few posts. At this point in the game, it’s a scum tell. Players I don’t trust, because of what they’ve said or voted: **Queuing** , **Pygmy Rugger** and **Lakai**. It wouldn’t surprise me if more than one of those on my list was a Townie, but those are my suspicions. I’ll change my vote: unvote **hocow** , vote **Rysto**. Don’t take this as an endorsement for **hocow** , I won’t mind if they get lynched. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3515 "2007-05-04T15:03:08Z")
4- hocow - (StarvingButStrong, Kat, MonkeyMensch, Pygmy Rugger) 1- brewha - (Fretful Porpentine) 1- MonkeyMensch- (hocow) 2- Pygmy Rugger - (Queuing, Lakai) 1- Rysto - (Pleonast) Pleonast, Rysto, Hocow. I need a couple of more posts from you. 12 1/2 hours to go. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3516 "2007-05-04T16:00:27Z")
[QUOTE=MonkeyMensch] I printed out **Rysto** ’s (thank you) spreadsheet of votes and **hocow** always ended up with a vote on a townie at end of day. [/QUOTE] 😕 I’m afraid that hasn’t been update since part-way through Day 2. Google Docs does not play nicely with my Linux system. Firefox’s Javascript interpreter under Linux is unbearably slow. Did you mean **sturmhauke** ’s spreadsheet? > [@Pleonast](#): > > Players I don’t trust, because of laying low: hocow and Rysto. Few votes, few posts. At this point in the game, it’s a scum tell. Sorry. Earlier in this game, I was attending university and had plenty of spare time. For the summer, I’m working full-time, so I have a lot less time to keep up with this game. Plus, the NHL playoffs have started so that how I’ve been spending my evenings recently. I had planned on doing a bunch of analysis last night, but I ended up falling asleep at about 7:30 or so. I don’t have time to vote quite yet, but I’ve been leaning towards Pygmy Rugger. I will get some analysis in before the Night, and I promise not to start any last-minute bandwagons. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3517 "2007-05-04T16:59:50Z")
Don’t worry, **Rysto** , my vote is intended to get you to vote and speak up. I want to avoid bandwagonning. I’ll switch my vote to someone else once you vote. Of course, you’re still on my suspicious list, so defend yourself. 🙂 I myself don’t have as much time as I did earlier in the game. Fortunately, I was lucky enough to have a verifiable Town role, so I can get away with vague posts and accusations while I await my inevitable murder. 😛 There, a third post, NAF! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3518 "2007-05-04T17:35:51Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] 😕 I’m afraid that hasn’t been update since part-way through Day 2. Google Docs does not play nicely with my Linux system. Firefox’s Javascript interpreter under Linux is unbearably slow. Did you mean **sturmhauke** ’s spreadsheet? … [/QUOTE] Yes, my miscredit. Thank you, **sturmhauke**. (It’s the one with the pretty colors right?) ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3519 "2007-05-04T17:41:56Z")
I don’t have enought on **howcow** to jump on that bandwagon. Since Pleonast also agrees that Lakai looks scummy, I will once again Vote Lakai I’m leaving in a couple of hours and won’t be back until Sun. I may not be able to check the board again until then. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3520 "2007-05-04T18:09:11Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] There, a third post, NAF! 😃 [/QUOTE] Thank you kindly [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=175) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=177)