# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 178
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3541 "2007-05-05T13:01:38Z")
Damn. Just damn. I think we just blew our last chance. ☹ [non-game] My computer has started making really, really awful sounds, so I’m taking it in to the shop today. Hopefully it just needs a new fan… Anyway, I might not be able to post for a couple of days, but I’ll be back as soon as possible. Let’s hope this night takes the full time. [/non-game] Hocow, my condolences. I suspect the rest of us will be joining you soon. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3542 "2007-05-05T13:47:16Z")
Sigh **RIP Hocow** ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3543 "2007-05-05T17:49:18Z")
\*Rysto and MonkeyMench were out having a late night stroll. Monkey said to Rysto, I have a neat trick I want to show you, close your eyes. Rysto being slightly gulible and very drunk closed his eyes. It was at this point that monkey mench pulled a scalpel out of his back pocket and slit a new smile into Rysto’s neck. As Rysto lay dieing, suffocating on his own blood, Monkey laughed and said…“see, I told you it was a neat trick!” and laughed menicingly. He rolled Rysto over and began to cut two diamond shaped pieced of flesh off Rysto’s cooling flesh when a shot rang out. MonkeyMench was shoot in the back of the head from point blank range.\* \*\* Rysto\*\* - Citizen & \*\* Monkey Mench\*\* - Serial Killer are both dead. There are 72 hours left in the game day. The day ends at 11am on Monday Pacific time. Good luck and try to stay alive. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3544 "2007-05-05T17:53:02Z")
Damn, damn, damn. I just realized this morning that I wasn’t likely to live the night. Good luck, Town. I think that you guys can figure this one out. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3545 "2007-05-05T19:09:09Z")
Holy fuck. Well played **Monkey Mench**. Does anyone have a list of who is still alive? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3546 "2007-05-05T19:17:54Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] Holy fuck. Well played **Monkey Mench**. Does anyone have a list of who is still alive? [/QUOTE] My sentiments, exactly! brewha Fretful Porpentine Kat Lakai Pleonast Pygmy Rugger Queuing StarvingButStrong Storyteller0910 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3547 "2007-05-05T19:23:42Z")
GAA 72 hours makes it Tuesday that the day ends. Sorry bought that folks. Oh and with 9 alive its just 5 to lynch. ---
**Author:** ![hocow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hocow/32/4112_2.png) [@hocow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hocow)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3548 "2007-05-05T20:00:16Z")
Forgot to give my goodbye post. They have pie in the other thread too! Good luck, guys! ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3549 "2007-05-05T20:03:14Z")
Yowza. That was fast! And you even reveal who was killed by whom…that’s different. (Also fast: my local independent computer builder! I brought my computer to him – even though he didn’t build it – explained the noise problem, and asked when he might be able to work on it. How about now, he said, and 15 minutes later I walked out with a new heatsink/fan installed. Price? $20 including parts and installation. And he didn’t even talk to me like I am a computer idiot, which I are. Very nice guy.0 So, 9 left. Cannot be more than 4 mafia or they’d have won. So IF we never make a mistake and lynch a townie, we could still win… Anyway, nothing really has changed for me – Rysto and MonkeyMensch weren’t near the top of my list. So… Vote Pygmy Rugger. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3550 "2007-05-05T20:06:43Z")
Whoops, that was cold. I should have said: RIP Rysto. BIH MonkeyMench ---
**Author:** ![hocow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hocow/32/4112_2.png) [@hocow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hocow)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3551 "2007-05-05T20:08:17Z")
snip ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3552 "2007-05-05T22:50:15Z")
Ah, one more night and I could have pulled it off. Sigh. I might even have got Queuing framed as the SK. Now I guess I’ll have to content myself with merely Doperville-skin spats and a cummerbund, instead of the full tuxedo I had planned. Incredibly great playing witch’yall. See some of you soon. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3553 "2007-05-06T00:09:30Z")
Let’s see, that likely makes 5 Townies and 4 Mafia. So, blind guessing is gives us almost even odds. 😛 We’ve got to be _very_ careful of fast lynches. One Townie voting for another Townie, plus four quick Mafia, means a dead Townie and game over. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3554 "2007-05-06T00:51:28Z")
[QUOTE=StarvingButStrong] \ Anyway, nothing really has changed for me – Rysto and MonkeyMensch weren’t near the top of my list. So… Vote Pygmy Rugger. [/QUOTE] Can you kindly point me to where you laid out your suspicions of me? I don’t recall you ever doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3555 "2007-05-06T01:35:26Z")
Oh, my God! I am buying a round of drinks for the Mafia, really. I’ll just set them up on the bar, turn my back, and you all can drink them. Sorry to see you go, **Rysto**. I don’t know if I want to vote for **Pygmy Rugger** or **Queuing**. By this point, I have to say one of them is Mafia, but it’s highly unlikely that both of them are. Who’s got links to their analysisisisisisisisis? ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3556 "2007-05-06T01:48:05Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] Let’s see, that likely makes 5 Townies and 4 Mafia. So, blind guessing is gives us almost even odds. 😛 [/QUOTE] Oh, even without analysis/hunches/whatever, we have better odds than that. Most of the townies only need to pick from six names. You are confirmed town. I think we can agree that Queuing HAS to be town, based on how determinedly Aguecheek tried to get him lynched. Plus each townie knows themselves to be a townie. So, using myself as an example, I know the remaining Mafia are among these six: brewha Fretful Porpentine Kat Lakai Pygmy Rugger Storyteller0910 You and Queuing have a field of seven to consider, still 4 out of 7 is 57% See? It’s practically a snap now. 😉 Everyone probably got the equivalent of the following the first day of some college course: Look to your left, look to your right. If you aren’t scum, the other two probably are. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3557 "2007-05-06T01:57:04Z")
I still don’t think **Queuing** can be scum, because I can’t think of a good reason why **Aguecheek** would try to push the idea that one of his fellow Mafia members was the Serial Killer. I think it might be time to take another look at **Lakai** , though, whom I pretty much ignored last time around because of **pimaspinner** ’s report – but she could be wrong, or he could even be the Godfather. Not a definite FoS, but I want to take a look at his posts and see what he’s said. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3558 "2007-05-06T02:20:05Z")
Another thought: **brewha** and **Lakai** have been FoSing and voting for each other, like, forever. Is it safe to conjecture that they are either a) on opposite sides; or b) both misguided townies? Or is this an elaborately staged fake feud (which they can easily afford to do if they’re both Mafia, because neither of them has been in real danger of being lynched)? Damn, this game makes my head hurt. Just about everything can be interpreted in multiple ways. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3559 "2007-05-06T02:31:29Z")
I could see it happening in one (and only one) situation. If the Mafia decided that **Queuing** was going to be a goner anyway, based on the level of mistrust against him, they may have set him up as a scapegoat, and decided that pushing for his lynching would reflect well on the pusher when **Queuing** was lynched. Thus, I wanna look back and see what the status was on **Queuing** ’s mistrust level at the time **Aguecheek** started pushing for him. Let us know what you find out about **Lakai** , **Fretful**. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3560 "2007-05-06T05:43:58Z")
Okay, the first time I find **Aguecheeck** pushing for **Queuing** , it’s at the end of Day Two. He votes for **Queuing** in [post 1530](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8426634&postcount=1530), after **Queuing** ’s vote count has gone down to 5 (after hitting a high of 11, I think) and **Gadarene** ’s at 14 votes, and about 7 hours left until Lynch Time. (Someone let me know if there’s a post prior to this in which **Aguecheek** speaks out against **Queuing**.) At least 4 players announced their belief that **Queuing** was probably town after that vote by **Aguecheek** (and a couple before that vote as well), at the end of Day Two and beginning of Day Three. **Aguecheek** goes after him again on Day Three in [post 1702](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8431431&postcount=1702). A couple more people post pro- **Queuing** -as-Town sentiments. At this point, **Aguecheek** seems to drop the **Queuing** angle completely, posting about the people **nesta** had refused to vote for or FOSed. He makes an insinuation in [post 1945](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8440542&postcount=1945) about **Queuing** ’s Mafia estimate. At this point, **Queuing** is not in danger of being lynched any longer, but it could conceivably be a warning to _not_ be so sure of the numbers. In [post 2760](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8473608&postcount=2760), **StarvingButStrong** asked where the **Queuing** suspicions went. This is about the same time **Queuing** got into the Math Discussion with **Malacandra** and **Lakai**. Then, suddenly, [in 2798](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8475331&postcount=2798), **Aguecheek** ’s jumping back onto the **Queuing** wagon. A couple of people vote for **Queuing** _after_ this point. So, it’s possible that **Aguecheek** geuinely thought that **Queuing** was SK, but it doesn’t look like a “look-good-for-the-Townies” vote on an already-doomed Mafia. (And I didn’t even get up to the fake role-claim before I reached this conclusion.) Anyway, since I compiled all this info, here it is for you all to read, in case any of it is actually helpful, or you’re really really bored while giving your “refresh” button a workout. Oh, and vote Pygmy Rugger. Based on the whole **Queuing** vs **Pygmy Rugger** vibe I got Yesterday (game yesterday), which made me suspect, rereading it all after Nightfall, that one or the other is Mafia. And yes, I _did_ have to go through all of that effort, to get it straight in my head, because I can’t even remember what happened and how yesterday (real life yesterday). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=177) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=179)