# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 189
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3761 "2007-05-10T16:58:17Z")
No there is no advantage other than it give the town time to think it over. Im not going to try to talk anyone out of lynching me. Really, I’m not, this is not some kind of reverse psychology. I have no pull in this town while. The mafia have convince you guys (true I made it easy) that I’m out of my mind. I’ve just come to the realization that the town is being controlled by the mafia. If there is any doubt as to where my alliegance is, I’m become a distraction and counterproductive to the town winning. Even if I somehow avoid the lynch today, the town will still have that nagging suspicion that I may be scum. So, lynch away and pray to Og that there are only 2 mafia left. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3762 "2007-05-10T17:00:17Z")
let me try again. I meant to hit preview instead of submit. No there is no advantage other than it doesn’t give the town time to think it over. Im not going to try to talk anyone out of lynching me. Really, I’m not, this is not some kind of reverse psychology. I have no pull in this town while I’m alive. The mafia have convinced you guys (true I made it easy) that I’m out of my mind. I’ve just come to the realization that the town is being controlled by the mafia. If there is any doubt as to where my alliegance is, I’m become a distraction and counterproductive to the town winning. Even if I somehow avoid the lynch today, the town will still have that nagging suspicion that I may be scum. So, lynch away and pray to Og that there are only 2 mafia left. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3763 "2007-05-10T17:02:31Z")
[QUOTE=Fretful Porpentine] OK, one question before I cast a vote: Is there a strategic advantage to the sudden-death lynch that makes it somehow better for the town than waiting it out? [/QUOTE] No. There is no advantage to making the vote unanimous. Further discussion can only help. So if you are currently inclined to vote for **brewha,** I’d say stating so without an official vote, and letting the countdown continue for the moment, is the best bet (if anyone disagrees, let me know). ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3764 "2007-05-10T17:04:05Z")
[QUOTE=Fretful Porpentine] OK, one question before I cast a vote: Is there a strategic advantage to the sudden-death lynch that makes it somehow better for the town than waiting it out? Because I’m not seeing it, and while I’m OK with **brewha** as potential scum, I’m inclined to think **storyteller** had it right the first time around: [/QUOTE] None that I can think of. It would be quite dumb for the scum to start spouting off and bring suspicion onto themselves. I see no advantage to a sudden death killing, but nor do I think waiting the 12 hours will shed any light on the situation. What we need know is to find out if brewha is scum or not. This gives us information no matter what he turns out to be. If he is scum well he is dead, and thats good. If he is town and the game goes on we know there are just 2 scum left, and that one is probably lakai. It really doesn’t matter is what I think. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3765 "2007-05-10T17:09:37Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] None that I can think of. It would be quite dumb for the scum to start spouting off and bring suspicion onto themselves. I see no advantage to a sudden death killing, but nor do I think waiting the 12 hours will shed any light on the situation. What we need know is to find out if brewha is scum or not. This gives us information no matter what he turns out to be. If he is scum well he is dead, and thats good. If he is town and the game goes on we know there are just 2 scum left, and that one is probably lakai. It really doesn’t matter is what I think. [/QUOTE] While I agree that we’re probably not going to get a lot of new information on **brewha,** you never know what might get said. I agree that a scum slip-up is unlikely, but not impossible. On the other hand, if we’re literally saying _nothing_ for the next few hours, then we may as well go unanimous and move on with new information. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3766 "2007-05-10T17:11:41Z")
I just know that if I were scum no way would I come in and say anything. I could stay off the boards for 12 hours. Honest, I really could! ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3767 "2007-05-10T17:16:02Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] I just know that if I were scum no way would I come in and say anything. I could stay off the boards for 12 hours. Honest, I really could! [/QUOTE] Yeah, I just don’t believe this at all. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3768 "2007-05-10T17:24:12Z")
OK. Consider this a formal statement of my willingness to vote for **brewha** IF I see other people jumping ship (as may well happen, since we were several votes shy of a lynch last time **Kat** checked in, and **Lakai** hasn’t posted in forever). If nobody jumps ship, **brewha** gets lynched anyway, but I don’t see any point to making it instant. And again, I’m none too happy with lynches that EVERYONE seems to want to go through, though I freely admit I was wrong last time. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3769 "2007-05-10T19:56:04Z")
So, here’s a terrifying thought. What if Queuing really were mafia?What if he and Lakai are the last two? Well, then we’re wasting our one town lynching on me. Tonight another town dies. Tomorrow the town goes hurrah! we got ourselves a mafia and go and lynch Lakai. Now the town is a against a tough decision. Fretful or kat? Fretful or Kat? The town spends the whole day debating, finally running out of time and hastily picking one of them. Oh no, lynched another town, we all lose. Why? because Queuing has been sitting back laughing his ass off and the town circle jerks itself. Who’s been instilling the idea that I’m the crazy one? I’m not flighty. I’ve been trying to get two people lynched for the majority of this game. Those people being Queuing and Lakai. Sure, Lakai hasn’t said much, but Queuing sure has made it his goal to discredit me as much as possible. That explains why he got all nicey nice when it came to lynch Fretful. I think Queuing is mafia, Pleonast, Master Blaster, and Malacandra all thought Queuing was mafia. Sure, we could all be wrong. But, we could all be right too. Hey, no pressure, but if I get lynched, the fate of the town depends on it. I’m gonna throw this out there, and I’m sure it will get recieved as well as the rest of my ideas. I say we lynch Queuing. If he is town, then Lakai and Fretful are the last two mafia and we win. If he is mafai, then Lakai is the last mafia and we win with one more town. If we lynch me today, even if you take out Lakai tomorrow, the game’s outcome depends on next lynch. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3770 "2007-05-10T19:59:04Z")
Oh Queuing is a clever one. He just guaranteed my lynch. He just said that only mafia would come in here and try to stop my lynching. Clever guy. You’ve all been outsmarted by him. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3771 "2007-05-10T20:12:13Z")
Ooh another scary thought (hey I can talk all I want, think of it as my last cigarette since I don’t smoke). What if I were right and PR, Lakai, Queuing, and Storyteller were the mafai. Lakai, Queuing, and Storyteller all voted for Pymgy Rugger one day just to prove their innocence. Storyteller even pointed out to me that they all did. If that were the case, they could have all voted for SBS instead of Pymgy and won right there. Well, they could have won unless Fretful and I saw the switch and joined the PR wagon. In which case PR would have still gotten lynched and all the mafia would be plain as day in front of us. Of course if that is the case, we lose when that noose tightens up on me. Wheeeee! Speculation is fun ☹ :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3772 "2007-05-10T20:26:30Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] Who’s been instilling the idea that I’m the crazy one? [/QUOTE] Hey, I resent that remark! Some of us figured out for ourselves that you’d gone crackers! At this point, **Fretful** , I don’t have any plans to jump ship. I’m not sayinig it’s inevitable, because **brewha** may come in and post something that proves his status, but it’s not likely, because I can’t think of much that a vanilla townie could actually say to prove he’s a vanilla townie. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > And then I realize that I’m really saying that I find it suspicious that I don’t find **Kat** more suspicious, and I want to stick a paper clip into the wall socket and be done with it. Would it make you happy, **storyteller** , if I did something suspicious? If so, let me know and I’ll take suggestions from the crowd as to what I should do. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3773 "2007-05-10T20:26:34Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] 1. **Lakai** : \We find him less suspicious because pimaspinner/Hockey Monkey investigated him and it came up town. [/QUOTE] My head hurts. I am literally banging my head on the desk. Pimaspinner was a beat cop. That means that half the time he is WRONG. It does not meant that half the time the answer is random. It means that half the time it is wrong. If NAF flips the coin and finds that the cop is going to be wrong, he doesn’t put all the roles into a random role generator and pick from it, He picks a WRONG role. Listen carefully, because this is obviously not sinking in. THE. BEAT. COP. ROLE. IS. USELESS. If you guys seriously can not wrap your minds around that, the town should not have made it this far. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3774 "2007-05-10T20:29:57Z")
On 2nd thought, here’s some homework you townies can do while I’m busy pushin up the daisies (I’m certainly not putting anymore effort into this game.) If you do decide to lych Lakai tomorrow and he does come up mafia, go back and see who keeps repeating that he was exonerated by the beat cop. That is a very good defense and I would wager that one of his mafia buddies has made sure that we know it. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3775 "2007-05-10T20:37:12Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] It does not meant that half the time the answer is random. It means that half the time it is wrong. [/QUOTE] It doesn’t? Then why did NAF say in [post 164](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8402333&postcount=164): > [@NAF1138](#): > > If they are going to get a wrong answer I am going to pick what role they see the player as at random, so I guess they could show up as what they really are. > [@](#): > > If NAF flips the coin and finds that the cop is going to be wrong, he doesn’t put all the roles into a random role generator and pick from it, He picks a WRONG role. He doesn’t? And he does? Then \? NAF, wanna weigh in on this? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3776 "2007-05-10T20:45:02Z")
[QUOTE=Kat] It doesn’t? Then why did NAF say in [post 164](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8402333&postcount=164): He doesn’t? And he does? Then \? NAF, wanna weigh in on this? [/QUOTE] Let me make this easy since I don’t want this to become a huge sticking point. When the beat cop was destined to get a wrong answer, the answer always turned up as something other than what they really were. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3777 "2007-05-10T20:46:48Z")
Well, hell. **brewha** was right. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3778 "2007-05-10T20:51:39Z")
[QUOTE=Kat] Well, hell. **brewha** was right. :smack: [/QUOTE] Well…in a way ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3779 "2007-05-10T21:22:59Z")
Come NAF, you scared me. I thought I was dead already. Why else would you post? Alright, I will happily withdraw the statement about odds. I would, however, still like to emphasis that the beat cop is still useless. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3780 "2007-05-10T23:19:47Z")
Last chance to stop the clock. And honestly, if you want the day to end earlier then the clock allows, Fretful has about 20 minutes to get that final vote in. Otherwise we are riding this train out until the clock stops. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=188) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=190)