# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 193
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3841 "2007-05-12T15:07:33Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] If you don’t die tonight that would be really suspicious and I might just go crazy and vote for you. [/QUOTE] I know I said this about storyteller, but that was in hopes of keeping him alive. Did my plan work or is Storyteller alive because he is mafia? **StarvingbutStrong** , we will avenge you! Or die miserably trying. Either one. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3842 "2007-05-12T15:11:55Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] **StarvingButStrong’s** body was found in the morning mutilated and dumped into a vat of industrial acid at the old chemical factory on the outskirts of town.\* [/QUOTE] Wow. Something I said must have touched a nerve – that looks like it was _personal._ Anyway, it’s been fun. Off to grab some nachos if there are any left. Go town! ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3843 "2007-05-12T15:33:18Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] > [@Lakai](#): > > If you don’t die tonight that would be really suspicious and I might just go crazy and vote for you. I know I said this about storyteller, but that was in hopes of keeping him alive. Did my plan work or is Storyteller alive because he is mafia? [/quote] Did you? Or do you say that now because you and **storyteller** are Mafia together? > [@Lakai](#): > > **StarvingbutStrong** , we will avenge you! Or die miserably trying. Either one. Or perhaps both. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3844 "2007-05-12T15:36:01Z")
**RIP StarvingButStrong** I too find it odd that they didn’t kill storyteller. He has clearly been our leader and its strange that he did not die. That being said I will proceed on my prior assumptions, that they didn’t kill him so we would find it suspicious. They must really like me though, which probably means I am very wrong about a lot of stuff. Either that or they hope that I will get in a figt with someone else, and maybe break that record NAF was talking about :). Ok, so onto the nitty gritty. I think we choose between Fretful and Kat now. Assuming that the pairs were correct, and Lakai is scum his lynching gains us nothing for the next day. I don’t know about the rest of you people who are alive but I am damn curious about the forbidden thread. I might get slammed in there for being to volatile, but hey it should make fun reading! So what say you? The fretful/kat pair? ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3845 "2007-05-12T15:41:05Z")
Oh forgot 1 thing. Its the weekend, I have a lot of gardening to do, and I will not be as active as normal. That is probably a good thing, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3846 "2007-05-12T15:46:44Z")
[QUOTE=Kat] Did you? Or do you say that now because you and **storyteller** are Mafia together? [/QUOTE] How do you figure that? ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3847 "2007-05-12T15:56:27Z")
My current thoughts: I still have more suspicions towards **Lakai** than towards **Fretful**. If **Lakai** is Mafia, he’d have _known_ that **brewha** was town, and the unvote had the potential to make him look good and Townie-like. If you’re all set on using the other pair, I’ll vote for **Fretful** , but I’d much rather vote for **Lakai**. And yes, the **storyteller** survival is odd, and somewhat suspicious. Or Mafia could have left him alive _because_ it looks suspicious to do so. Or Mafia could be rejoicing in us believing that they’re using reverse psychology to not be suspicious of **storyteller**. And then there is the chance that **Queuing** is pushing against a **Lakai** vote in favor of a vote for me or **Fretful** because he actually _is_ Mafia. This is a theory I’m not strongly supporting, but it snuck into my mind just now and I figured the possiblity should at least be mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3848 "2007-05-12T16:08:17Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] How do you figure that? [/QUOTE] Because it’s natural that we’d find it odd that **storyteller** survived, even if you hadn’t pointed it out previously. So, it could be that : (1) You’re Mafia and **storyteller** is town, and you’re worried about being lynched for having FOSed a trusted town. (2) You’re both Mafia and you wer trying to create distance, and you’re now worried about one of you being lynched over it (you for FOSing a trusted town or **storyteller** if enough people find his survival suspicious). (3) You’re both town and you’re trying to nip a potential Town vs Town situation in the bud. I just found it a bit odd that it’s the first post, less than 15 minutes after the night killing is put up. The first thing that popped into my head is “He posted that disclaimer a little bit too fast.” Like you’d been ready and waiting for it. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3849 "2007-05-12T16:24:54Z")
[QUOTE=Kat] I just found it a bit odd that it’s the first post, less than 15 minutes after the night killing is put up. The first thing that popped into my head is “He posted that disclaimer a little bit too fast.” Like you’d been ready and waiting for it. [/QUOTE] It was the most obvious thing to discuss first. I knew everyone was thinking Storyteller’s survival might be suspicious, but I did not know who was thinking that his survival might just be the mafia making him look suspicious. So I decided to ask the question so that both sides of the argument are covered. > [@](#): > > And then there is the chance that Queuing is pushing against a Lakai vote in favor of a vote for me or Fretful because he actually is Mafia. This is a theory I’m not strongly supporting, but it snuck into my mind just now and I figured the possiblity should at least be mentioned. To me it looked like he said that if I were mafia my lynch would not gain us anything and that the town should go after the Kat and Fretful pair. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3850 "2007-05-12T16:39:47Z")
Well, I think he’s wrong about that. If you’re Mafia, lynching you would gain us one less Mafia vote during the next lynching. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3851 "2007-05-12T16:41:02Z")
And also, I’m beginning to understand the tendency to type “Mafai” instead of “Mafia” when discussing **Lakai**. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3852 "2007-05-12T16:52:36Z")
Ok, but tell me why you contradicted yourself in the same post. You say here in response to Queuing: > [@](#): > > My current thoughts: I still have more suspicions towards Lakai than towards Fretful. If Lakai is Mafia, he’d have known that brewha was town, and the unvote had the potential to make him look good and Townie-like. **If you’re all set on using the other pair** , I’ll vote for Fretful, but I’d much rather vote for Lakai. Then you say: > [@](#): > > And then there is the chance that \*\*Queuing is pushing against a Lakai vote in favor of a vote for me or Fretful \*\*because he actually is Mafia. This is a theory I’m not strongly supporting, but it snuck into my mind just now and I figured the possiblity should at least be mentioned. Bolding mine. Why would you first say that Queuing is set on voting for either you or Fretful and then say he is pushing for my vote over you and Fretful? Which one is it? It sounds like you are too anxious to make the case for lynching me that silly things like contradictions in your argument don’t seem to faze you. Maybe you are inconsistent because you are making up your arguments against me? ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3853 "2007-05-12T16:57:13Z")
Did you read what you are quoting? I didn’t say he is pushing for your vote over me or **Fretful**. I said that: > [@](#): > > And then there is the chance that Queuing is pushing **against** a Lakai vote in favor of a vote for me or Fretful because he actually is Mafia. This is a theory I’m not strongly supporting, but it snuck into my mind just now and I figured the possiblity should at least be mentioned. Do you know what “against” means? It means the opposite of “for”. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3854 "2007-05-12T16:59:59Z")
In simple words: 1. **Queuing** is _against_ a vote for **Lakai** and _for_ a vote for me or **Fretful**. 2. This could be because **Queuing** is Mafia and **Lakai** is Mafia. 3. I don’t support #2, but I thought it, and decided to mention it, to see what people said about it. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3855 "2007-05-12T17:13:18Z")
[QUOTE=Kat] Did you read what you are quoting? I didn’t say he is pushing for your vote over me or **Fretful**. I said that: Do you know what “against” means? It means the opposite of “for”. [/QUOTE] Ok, that was stupid. :smack: I somehow read that as voting against me. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3856 "2007-05-12T21:26:27Z")
I find it distinctly odd that **Queuing** AND **storyteller** are still alive, and I think we can take it as almost certain that one of them is Mafia. The trouble is, I don’t know which. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3857 "2007-05-12T22:58:34Z")
Hi, all - I’m still here. If I wasn’t alive, this wouldn’t be a problem, but I’m down South Jersey at my wife’s mother’s home for Mother’s Day, and won’t be able to read all the way through or really post until tomorrow afternoon / early evening when I get home. We’re headed out to a movie now and the zoo all day tomorrow. More from me Sunday night; sorry for my absence. - storyteller, in the bottom of Jersey ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3858 "2007-05-12T23:45:30Z")
[QUOTE=Fretful Porpentine] I find it distinctly odd that **Queuing** AND **storyteller** are still alive, and I think we can take it as almost certain that one of them is Mafia. The trouble is, I don’t know which. [/QUOTE] Really? I am not surprised that I am still alive. I thought the mafia order was going to be Storyteller, SBS, and then game over one way or another. I just think the mafia like something about the way I play this game and have no problem not killing me. However the game is on, so ummm. Lets go Buffalo! Ugh see what the lousy Senators make me do? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2007, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3859 "2007-05-13T04:43:43Z")
I thought about it, and what with tomorrow being Mothers Day and you guys seeming to have plans…I am going to give you all an extra 24 hours. Day ends Wednesday not Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2007, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/3860 "2007-05-13T14:07:16Z")
[QUOTE=Fretful Porpentine] I find it distinctly odd that **Queuing** AND **storyteller** are still alive, and I think we can take it as almost certain that one of them is Mafia. The trouble is, I don’t know which. [/QUOTE] On my way out the door for Mother’s Day brunch, but I wanted to type this up before I forgot about it. Other possibilities A) Either **storyteller** or **Queuing** (or both) are way off base and the Mafia want them continue in that direction B) **StarvingButStrong** posted something that made the Mafia nervous C) Both A and B D) Either **storyteller** or **Queuing** is Mafia, and the reason the other one wasn’t night killed was because either A and/or B apply When I get home, remind me to look through **StarvingButStong** ’s posts to see what she said that made the Mafia take her out. She voted for **Lakai** right at the end, but I was pretty vocal against **Lakai** all Day long. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=192) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=194)