# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/441 "2007-03-29T14:14:18Z")
**Caerie** , you’ve got me still voting for **Autolycus**. I switched to **Enfant Terrible** a couple of posts ago. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/442 "2007-03-29T14:19:11Z")
Umm I have a different vote count. Can we get an actual official one? Here is mine: 7 votes- Enfant Terrible (ArizonaTeach, BlasterMaster, FCOD, Gadarene, Malacandra, Pleonast, Storyteller0910) 5 votes -Sturmhauke – (Queuing, Menecchio, CaerieD, Aguecheek, Fernforest) 3 votes - Queuing - Lakai,Fretful Porpentine, Zuma 2 votes -glee - Smitty, Suburban Plankton 2 votes -Autolycus – (Enfant Terrible, glee) Unvoted him ( FCOD, Gadarene, malacandra) 1 vote - Chrisk - MadTheSwine 1 vote- Aguecheek – Sturmhauke I didn’t see where Winston Smith voted for me. Quite likely I missed it though. ---
**Author:** ![Smitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Smitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smitty)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/443 "2007-03-29T14:19:16Z")
[Here](http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?id=o15083838140779034378.5240882531307098589.12519454576943791885.3028669042291307997) is the link again. And Enfant Terrible now has 7 votes, not 6. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/444 "2007-03-29T14:21:22Z")
That link first brings me to a login page for google, so I do it, then it says I don’t have permission to view it. ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/445 "2007-03-29T14:22:28Z")
**Gadarene** , oy, I do, and I mixed up Pleonast’s vote with Pygmy Rugger. This gets massively confusing with this many people, and not everyone’s voted yet, either: (8) **Enfant Terrible** - Blaster Master, Pleonast, ArizonaTeach, Malacandra, Flying Cow of Doom, storyteller0910, Gadarene (5) **Sturmhauke** - Aguecheek, Fern Forest, Menocchio, Queuing, CaerieD (3) **Queuing** - Lakai, Winston Smith, zuma (2) **Autolycus** - Enfant Terrible, glee (2) **glee** - Smitty, Suburban Plankton (1) **chrisk** - MadTheSwine (1) **Gadarene** - Rysto (1) **Aguecheek** - Sturmhauke Those who haven’t voted yet (or I missed it): Autolycus, bewha, chrisk, cowgirl, hocow, Kat, Kivvik, Lakai, MonkeyMensch, nesta, pimaspinner, Pygmy Rugger, StarvingButStrong. Looks like we are currently two votes away from an ahead of scheduling lynching of: **Enfant Terrible**. I’d like a more official vote count soon over my continued ineptitude here! ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/446 "2007-03-29T14:24:33Z")
That is still only 7 for **Enfant**. And if **Winston Smith** did vote for me I have 4 for sure. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/447 "2007-03-29T14:25:01Z")
Yeah, I only see seven votes there for **Enfant Terrible** … ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/448 "2007-03-29T14:25:21Z")
I’m killing myself without the edit feature. :smack: I also forgot to list Fretful Porpentine’s vote. ---
**Author:** ![Smitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Smitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smitty)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/449 "2007-03-29T14:26:09Z")
[Here](http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pCnefFt-OVNHdERwU5Vq7SA) . Dammit. It should work now. And Enfant Terrible is at 7. ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/450 "2007-03-29T14:26:42Z")
Bless you, **Smitty**. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/451 "2007-03-29T14:28:20Z")
Slightly trust: Fern Forest, Master Blaster Slightly distrust: Queueing, MadtheSwine (and nearly everybody else.) Mostly distrust: Autolycus. As others have said, maybe he’s just a DAW, but I can’t help suspecting he’s scum and wants to be able to crow over surviving a long time even though he rubbed our noses in his mafia-schtick. I’ve been pondering what kind of analysis might best help me. I’m leaning towards rating each post on a scale from +3 to -3. Positive points for analysis that seems intended as honestly helpful and (to my mind) well reasoned. 0 points for joky/chatty posts. Negative points for, well, posts that seem contradictory or too defensive or promoting not-well-substantiated attacks on others. Possibly some added points or demerits for being active vs. totally lurking… this is a work in progress. What I dearly would like to know is what sex each player is. It’s well established that men and women have different posting styles – men tending towards more positive statements, for example, while women tend to phrase even ideas they’re sure of in more tentative terms. Could I ask that everyone confirm their sex in one of their next posts? It’ll save the hamsters from a lot of searching. For the record: I (StarvingButStrong) am female. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/452 "2007-03-29T14:33:07Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s well established that men and women have different posting styles – men tending towards more positive statements, for example, while women tend to phrase even ideas they’re sure of in more tentative terms. I like to think I’m a man. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/453 "2007-03-29T14:33:53Z")
Works for me now **Smitty** \* thanks. Our lists seem to tally as well (with exception of my neglect to put Gadarene on mine) ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/454 "2007-03-29T14:35:16Z")
I am male. /brief hijack/ Do you all realize that we have now managed more than 1/3 as many posts as the previous Werewolf thread had, and we’ve done it before the end of our _first game day_? ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/455 "2007-03-29T14:36:15Z")
[QUOTE=StarvingButStrong] What I dearly would like to know is what sex each player is. For the record: I (StarvingButStrong) am female. [/QUOTE] I am a man. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/456 "2007-03-29T14:38:46Z")
By the way—and I hope she takes no offense—but I now slightly mistrust **StarvingButStrong** , as her exhortation that we all post our genders has the potential to create even more noise in a thread where the signal is already overly fuzzy. It may well help **StarvingButStrong** to know that I’m a guy and she’s a girl and **FlyingCowofDoom** is a giant flying cow, but the benefits seem somewhat minimal in comparison to the extra thirty-odd contentless posts that we will all then have to wade through as a result. Not that people should stop posting their genders, but maybe if it was done (as I completely failed to do) in conjunction with a post of some substance? ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/457 "2007-03-29T14:39:59Z")
Every time I hit F5, this damned thread’s a page longer. And there’s so many of you I can’t keep my own suspicions straight in my head. From what I see so far, I’m leaning toward… Trust: **Autolycus**. I don’t think he’s being a dick, and I I don’t think he’s trying to fuck with us. I think he’s getting into the spirit of the game and trying to have a little fun. And I ask ya, what’s wrong with that??? I, for one, am entertained by his posts and have a hard time understanding why some people are getting so fucking nasty. Seriously. This is a fucking game, for crissakes. Chill the fuck out. Best-case scenario here is folks will take this to heart and get some perspective. If we string him up and he’s vindicated we’ve knocked off an innocent. Oops. Worst-case scenario is that **Autolycus** gets lynched, is revealed as Mafia, and I’ve idiotically implicated myself for sticking up for him. Distrust: **MadTheSwine** , mainly because he implicated me already, and I still haven’t figured out why. Twice. [QUOTE=MadTheSwine] I think he is Mafia and trying to get the Doc to waste a protect on him.If 1 or 2 are true, the Mafia will certainly leave him alone and we waste the kill anyhow.Contrary to my earlier post about lynching a returning player,and as much as I think **sturmhauke** and **Winston Smith** are Mafia.I gotta cast my vote for chrisk. [/QUOTE] and [QUOTE=MadTheSwine] Trust: **Rysto** Mistrust: **sturmhauke** (Strange he wasn’t killed,I would have voted to kill him if i were Mafia) **Winston Smith** (I think the Mafia left me alone for Winstons benefit,had I been killed,Winston dies) **chrisk** (Wants information) **Sub Plank** (strange post) [/QUOTE] I guess I’m calling you out, **MadTheSwine**. Either offer up some evidence or lay off. I’m not Mafia, but you don’t have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Capice? Distrust: **Enfant Terrible** , because of the obligatory two-eyes finger point. [QUOTE=Enfant Terrible] Of course. _does the obligatory two-eyes to two-eyes finger point_ I see that we have the earliest vestiges of theorizing going on, and in my limited experience with this game, players who provide early breakdowns tend to have some sort of special role the rest of us just don’t have… hmmm. [/QUOTE] I trust **storyteller0910**. I distrust **Blaster Master**. I trust **Rysto** , primarily because he’s doing us a service by posting the spreadsheet, but the spreadsheet could arguably be window dressing for the wolves (deep cover). I’m gonna try not to over-think it. **Mennochio** points out here that **Rysto** has mis-recorded a vote. Hell, we all make mistakes, but if I were Mafia I’d say a good plan would be the subversive posting of false information under the guise of helping the town. I’d say **Rysto** is trustworthy as long as he’s posting accurate info to the spreadsheet. Again, for now **Rysto** is squarely in my circle of trust. so to speak. [QUOTE=Menocchio] Rysto, you counted my vote for sturmhauke wrong, putting it in someone else’s row. Good sheet though. Very helpful. As for my vote, I concede that it’s not a \*great \*reason, but I don’t want to do the random thing so I’ll stick to this until someone gives me a better one. I’m voting at all because I agree with the theory that voting, not mere accusations, is what yields useful data and because scum are more apt to give themselves away when the pressure is on them. [/QUOTE] That’s it for now. I’ve got work to do and I’ve spent over an hour reading this damned monster thread when I should be sysadmining. ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/458 "2007-03-29T14:47:00Z")
I was thinking the same thing, **Gadarene**. It’s likely to just muddy the waters by filling things up with more useless chatter and making it more difficult to sift through for valuable information. **Smitty** - I believe I marked Winston Smith down as having casted a vote incorrectly, but he _is_ in the game. He’s not on your spreadsheet, though. Might want to fix that. For the record, I’m a woman. ---
**Author:** ![Smitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Smitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smitty)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/459 "2007-03-29T14:48:43Z")
Thanks, CaerieD. I just did a cut and paste from an early player list where he was left off. I’ll include that in the next update. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/460 "2007-03-29T14:54:46Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] By the way—and I hope she takes no offense—but I now slightly mistrust **StarvingButStrong** , as her exhortation that we all post our genders has the potential to create even more noise in a thread where the signal is already overly fuzzy. It may well help **StarvingButStrong** to know that I’m a guy and she’s a girl and **FlyingCowofDoom** is a giant flying cow, but the benefits seem somewhat minimal in comparison to the extra thirty-odd contentless posts that we will all then have to wade through as a result. Not that people should stop posting their genders, but maybe if it was done (as I completely failed to do) in conjunction with a post of some substance? [/QUOTE] Agree. Gadarene is inching towards my trust list. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=24)