# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/461 "2007-03-29T15:03:13Z")
**Master Blaster** , you’re right that our trust/mistrust lists does give some info to the Mafia, but it helps the Town as well. They’re like mini-versions of **Rysto** ’s spreadsheet. And when we get killed it’ll help the remaining Citizens make better-informed decisions on who to lynch. That’s essential. **kivvik** , I apologize for voting you. Just a random shot in the sky to get the ball rolling (sorry for the mixed metaphor). Notice you’re not on my mistrust list. Although, you haven’t earned my trust yet, either. 😃 All in good time. **Queuing** , [post=8408430]your squirming will not help[/post]. **chrisk** ’s “claim” was only hypothetical. No one now expects him to keep it up. _I trust: Blaster Master, Chrisk, Gadarene, Rysto, storyteller0910. I mistrust: Aguecheek, Autolycus, Enfant Terrible, Menocchio, Queuing._ Now trusting **glee**. [post=8408124]Nice analysis[/post]. Mistrusting **Autolycus** for continuing with contentless posts. He’s not helping the Town. [post=8406246]I’m keeping my vote for **Enfant Terrible** for now[/post], but I’ll be happy to switch to Auto. And **Aguecheek** for following **Menocchio** in voting **sturmhauke** just for surviving. 2/3rds chance he’s scum? Bad math! I agree with **Rysto** that [post=8406018]killing good players hurts the town more than the scum[/post]. Your later defense is unconvincing. And notice that sturm is _not_ on my trusted list. Not enough to go on yet. The others continue to confirm my trust/mistrust ratings. Sheesh, the thread’s advanced a page while I was compiling this post! ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/462 "2007-03-29T15:08:15Z")
[QUOTE=Winston Smith] Trust: **Autolycus**. I don’t think he’s being a dick, and I I don’t think he’s trying to fuck with us. I think he’s getting into the spirit of the game and trying to have a little fun. And I ask ya, what’s wrong with that??? I, for one, am entertained by his posts and have a hard time understanding why some people are getting so fucking nasty. Seriously. This is a fucking game, for crissakes. Chill the fuck out. [/QUOTE] I agree,scum or not,he seems to be having fun with it. [QUOTE=Winston Smith] Distrust: **MadTheSwine** , mainly because he implicated me already, and I still haven’t figured out why. Twice. I guess I’m calling you out, **MadTheSwine**. Either offer up some evidence or lay off. I’m not Mafia, but you don’t have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Capice? [/QUOTE] I have no good reason,so I will lay off. …and quit saying capice,you make my ears hurt when you say it. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/463 "2007-03-29T15:17:09Z")
[QUOTE=Winston Smith] I trust **storyteller0910**. I distrust **Blaster Master**. [/QUOTE] because you defended the rest of your trust/distrust list, can you explain why you trust **storyteller** and why you do not trust me? Of course, if it’s nothing more than gut, that’s perfectly reasonable, since that’s what most of my list is. FWIW, I think I have a beat on how much I trust most of the people and what I think their roles might be. Maybe I missed the posts, but I don’t seem to have any read on **cowgirl** , **Kat** , and **nesta**. Also, for what it’s worth, I think I have keys on several pro-townie roles, I won’t say which roles and how many to minimize the information I give to the mafia, so if you are one, please be a bit more careful with your posts. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/464 "2007-03-29T15:17:39Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] **Queuing** , [post=8408430]your squirming will not help[/post]. **chrisk** ’s “claim” was only hypothetical. No one now expects him to keep it up. _I trust: Blaster Master, Chrisk, Gadarene, Rysto, storyteller0910. I mistrust: Aguecheek, Autolycus, Enfant Terrible, Menocchio, Queuing._ [/QUOTE] Others have expressed the same sentiments towards **Chrisk** as I have, including people in your trusted list. In post # 309 and #346 **Blaster Master** expressed the same sentiment as mine. That **Chrisk** continue to post his thoughts, encouraging him to do so. In post #316 **StoryTeller0910** also expressed a similar sentiment. While these were a while ago, I have seen no retraction of this thinking by either of these people. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/465 "2007-03-29T15:18:13Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] By the way—and I hope she takes no offense—but I now slightly mistrust **StarvingButStrong** , as her exhortation that we all post our genders has the potential to create even more noise in a thread where the signal is already overly fuzzy. \ Not that people should stop posting their genders, but maybe if it was done (as I completely failed to do) in conjunction with a post of some substance? [/QUOTE] Hmmm. No offense, but nNow I am slightly suspicious of Gadarene, for mistating (deliberately?) what I said. My words: > [@](#): > > Could I ask that everyone confirm their sex in one of their next posts? IOW, I didn’t ask people to rush out and make a post they wouldn’t have otherwise, I asked that they include their sex in a post they were otherwise making. Surely a three word sentence (e.g. “I am male”) added to a post being made for other reasons would have little to no impact on how long it takes to analyze this thread. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/466 "2007-03-29T15:19:02Z")
Eesh, this is hard to keep up with. I’m getting suspicious of **Blaster Master**. He is leading the charge here, but I’m not sure who’s side he is on. It would be easy to trust him since he has posted so much content, but that may seem like something a GF would do. OTOH, if he is town, **Winston Smith** is the first (that I recall) showed mistrust for him. So he is either mafia or under the same impression that I am. I’m not satisfied with **MonkeyMensch’s** defense of not being scum, so I still don’t trust him. I pointed the FOS at him to get is reaction. I don’t like it. And then there’s **Auto** who whether he is scum or not, he is not helping the cause for the town. Need more info before I cast a vote. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/467 "2007-03-29T15:19:20Z")
Queuing, just answer the question. How did you think you’d catch someone in a lie by asking for experience. Did you honestly think that someone like MadTheCow would say “Nope, never played it before!” I’m still not understanding your fishing venture. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/468 "2007-03-29T15:19:44Z")
[QUOTE=Winston Smith] Trust: **Autolycus**. I don’t think he’s being a dick, and I I don’t think he’s trying to fuck with us. I think he’s getting into the spirit of the game and trying to have a little fun. And I ask ya, what’s wrong with that??? I, for one, am entertained by his posts and have a hard time understanding why some people are getting so fucking nasty. Seriously. This is a fucking game, for crissakes. Chill the fuck out. [/QUOTE] Man, this game breeds paranoia. I’m looking at this thinking, “hmm…why’s he defending \*\*Autolycus \*\* so much?” Thing is, considering the fantastic flame-out…certain…people…had last game, is it any wonder the players who are playing to win are going to get fed up real quickly with those that aren’t? > [@](#): > > Best-case scenario here is folks will take this to heart and get some perspective. If we string him up and he’s vindicated we’ve knocked off an innocent. Oops. Worst-case scenario is that **Autolycus** gets lynched, is revealed as Mafia, and I’ve idiotically implicated myself for sticking up for him. True, true. On the other hand, players have asked him to bring it down a notch, and he’s refusing. He’s in danger of getting lynched because of it, and he’s refusing. That is not cooperative behavior. Doesn’t make him a mafia, sure, but it’s not helping any case for innocence. If anything, being “caught” might make him even more brazen with it because he thinks if he backs down now people will get suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/469 "2007-03-29T15:27:13Z")
Let me know if I missed anyone but here are the votes as I see em: (1) - Augecheek (Sturmhauke) (2) - Autolycus (Enfant Terrible, glee) (1) - chrisk (MadTheSwine) (7) - Enfant Terrible (ArizonaTeach,Blaster Master,Flying Cow of Doom, Gadarene, Malacandra, Pleonast, Storyteller0910) (1) - Gadarene (Rysto) (2) - Glee (Smitty, Suburban Plankton) (3) - Queuing (Lakai, Fretful Porpentine, Zuma) (5) - Sturmhauke (CaerieD, Aguecheek, Fern Forest, Menocchio, Queuing) I would post them more often, but I am not sure I have time. I will try to post one twice a day though until things slow down a bit. Also a clarification since I was asked. The SK wins if they are alive at the end…and there is only one winner. So if the SK wins. everyone else loses. If you have questions for me that you want to post in the thread try and seperate them out so I can quickly find them while scanning,or PM me also so I know there is a question to look out for. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/470 "2007-03-29T15:28:02Z")
[QUOTE=Winston Smith] Trust: **Autolycus**. I don’t think he’s being a dick, and I I don’t think he’s trying to fuck with us. I think he’s getting into the spirit of the game and trying to have a little fun. And I ask ya, what’s wrong with that??? I, for one, am entertained by his posts and have a hard time understanding why some people are getting so fucking nasty. Seriously. This is a fucking game, for crissakes. Chill the fuck out. [/QUOTE] You know, I’m not sure at all about his motivations. If he’s just having fun, fine, but couldn’t he have fun while helping his team to win? To me, it’s like - say you get a bunch of people together and go to play pickup basketball, right? No money or league or anything, just people having fun. And you choose up teams. And the game starts. And after a while, you notice that there’s a guy, ostensibly on your team, who’s not really playing. You pass him the ball, and he lets it go by because he’s practicing his funny voices. The man he’s guarding drives to the basket, but this guy doesn’t try to defend him, because he’s imagining himself as Charles Barkley and eating a pork sandwich. Well, great, I’m glad you’re having fun, but after a while it seems like: (1) he’s definitely not helping your team; and (2) maybe he quietly wants the other team to win. But you don’t want to kick him off the team unless you’re sure he’s against you, because then you’ll have fewer players than the other team. So I think that’s why people are getting nasty. I, for one, don’t care _how_ the guy posts; he can be Robert DiNiro or James Caan for all I care. I just care _what_ he posts, and so far he hasn’t posted anything of substance. But I can’t bring myself to vote for him, because I just don’t know yet _what_ he’s doing. Clarification would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/471 "2007-03-29T15:28:05Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] Queuing, just answer the question. How did you think you’d catch someone in a lie by asking for experience. Did you honestly think that someone like MadTheCow would say “Nope, never played it before!” I’m still not understanding your fishing venture. [/QUOTE] I have answered every question thrown my way. Anytime anybody asks for a more thorough explanation if my thinking I have given it. All you have done is accuse me. I have given my reasons for it. I said, in the very post you find suspicous, that it might not be a good idea. My wording was, after the request “Or not”, meaning maybe it wasn’t a good idea. Hell I can give you my reasons over and over again, posting more and more, I don’t mind. Personally I have no idea if **MadTheCow** has played before. What I do know is that, in the last game, **JSexton** came right out and said “Hey I have played before, I am good at this game” then took the lead, and led the charge that resulted in a boon for the town of getting the AlphaWolf the first day. Yes most people playing this version have read the previous game. I wouldn’t count that as much experience. I never re-read that thread, I didn’t really care, I was interested but not involved. How do I know what people will or will not do? Not everyone is good at deception. We have seen some rather suspect moves in this game ( **Chrisk’s idea** ), and a completely horrible move by a player last game. Who knows what we will find out by asking for more information, by pressuring people? You seem to think my asking questions is bad, and I don’t understand that. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/472 "2007-03-29T15:28:54Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] Queuing, just answer the question. How did you think you’d catch someone in a lie by asking for experience. Did you honestly think that someone like MadTheCow would say “Nope, never played it before!” I’m still not understanding your fishing venture. [/QUOTE] Cow? ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/473 "2007-03-29T15:29:48Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Also, for what it’s worth, I think I have keys on several pro-townie roles, I won’t say which roles and how many to minimize the information I give to the mafia, so if you are one, please be a bit more careful with your posts. [/QUOTE] Oh. Oh dear. I don’t like this post at all, and I was firmly on \*\*Blaster Master’s \*\* side because he and I saw eye to eye on **Enfant Terrible**. This post seems to me to be designed to scream “I support the townies, everyone!” when there was little reason for him to scream it. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/474 "2007-03-29T15:30:15Z")
Bah, sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/475 "2007-03-29T15:33:30Z")
Holy Crap Batman! Where do I start? SK and VIG kills - I’m sure these guys have their own agendas, but I don’t think it’s a bad idea to toss out who you think they should kill in your Trust/Distrust list. I don’t have time this morning for a long post, but here is what I’m thinking right now: _Trust:_ **Blaster Master, Fern Forest** - our thinking seems to be on the same page, but they can put it into words much better than I can. Also leaving **Rysto** on my trust list for now. _Don’t Trust:_ **Autolycus** - now he’s getting on my nerves. I don’t want to waste a lynch vote on him. The Serial Killer can take him out for all I care. Although if he doesn’t take a dirt nap tonight, I’ll be inclined to think he _is_ the SK, what with being crazy about continuing to annoy us with his no-content posts. **Enfant Terrible** - I just think he is lying. It’s a gut feeling based on the way his posts read. **Queuing** - my drinking posts in the beginning of the game during the night phase were a way to pass the time while waiting for the night votes to get in. We can’t strategize at night, so having a little lighthearted fun at the bar seemed OK at the time. I can do my drinking at home from now on. :rolleyes: This thread grows fast, so we have to give people adequate RL time to analyze and respond. There a quite a few players we haven’t heard much from yet. **FlyingCowOfDoom** - I still have my eye on. Vote: Enfant Terrible! I am female. ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/476 "2007-03-29T15:42:10Z")
Good IRL morning all. I left off at #377 and haven’t read the new posts yet. Just a couple of thoughts and then I’ll post an addendum after I’ve caught up. I checked the other game thread and the three experienced players were all in it up to the last day or two. So it was a nice, warm, huggy multiple homicide from the killing parties for the benefit of the new players. For this I say thanks, sort of. The SK’s gotta go. As nice as it would be in a mid to late game situation to have the SK, and by extension, the Vig knocking off mafia at night while we lynch suspects by day, it _ain’t_ mid-game yet and the poor vig is _forced_ to kill pretty much blindly at this point. As many as 4 player deaths per Night/Day cycle is just intolerable. Let me catch up and I’ll add. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/477 "2007-03-29T15:45:58Z")
What happens if SK and VIG kill the same person? ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/478 "2007-03-29T15:47:43Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] Oh. Oh dear. I don’t like this post at all, and I was firmly on \*\*Blaster Master’s \*\* side because he and I saw eye to eye on **Enfant Terrible**. This post seems to me to be designed to scream “I support the townies, everyone!” when there was little reason for him to scream it. [/QUOTE] My mistrust of **Blaster Master** is one of several reasons why I decided against voting for **Enfant Terrible**. There’s just something a little overly gung-ho there, when there’s no particular reason to be quite that impassioned. It made me think Mafia trying to turn us against one another and so I couldn’t go with his endorsement. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/479 "2007-03-29T15:49:03Z")
Ok. This is gonna sound weasly. So be it. I said I was voting for Sturmhauke until someone gave me a better reason. Well, I found a better reason. Queuing’s post #436 (or so, I don’t recall the exact number) is a very spirited defense for someone who is still down there in the lynching polls, especially since Autolycus seems intent on sabotaging himself (I don’t personally think Autolycus is scum, btw, just not taking teh agme seriously at all). It also wasn’t very strong. Nothing seems more suspicious to me than unnecessary defensiveness. Unvote Sturmhauke Vote Queuing I don’t trust: Queuing, Sturmhauke, Madtheswine, Autolycus, Enfant Terrible, and while I don’t exactly mistrust Rysto, I think those who go out of their way to be especially helpful ought not to be immune from scrutiny. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/480 "2007-03-29T15:50:41Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] Also a clarification since I was asked. The SK wins if they are alive at the end…and there is only one winner. So if the SK wins. everyone else loses. [/QUOTE] So town can’t win unless the serial killer is dead? We need to kill the serial killer if we’re to win? Mod, if I understand this correctly, in order for town or mafia to win, the serial killer needs to be dead, right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=25)