# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/721 "2007-03-31T20:37:53Z")
> [@](#): > > First of all, I’m a guy. Oops, sorry, I guess I tend to think of cows as female most of the time 🙂 And hmm, your defense makes a lot of sense; I’m willing to concede that there are plausible reasons to suspect **chrisk** , and although I think **Autolycus** is probably just playing the fool, I can see _why_ you’d vote for him. On the other hand, **Autolycus** and **chrisk** _were_ both obvious candidates for a bandwagon, even with only one official vote cast, so a reasonably alert Mafia member might jump on in time to grab the oh-so-not-suspicious second vote instead of the oh-so-suspicious third one… … Will have to think some more. ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/722 "2007-03-31T20:41:20Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] Holy crap! 2 Votes! Sorry for the little contribution. I was out of town the last couple of days (just away from the comp actually, but trying to stay in character). I just got my eyes LASIK’d and I wasn’t supposed to be on the comp for a couple of days. I haven’t really read anything since pg 12, I just skimmed thru and saw that I was under suspicion. I assure you I am merely a vanilla townie. I had a theory that the first person to post after someone’s death may be mafia since they would like to seem concerned. I called **MonkeyM** on it and he didn’t seem to defend himself very well. I’ll contribute more after I get a chance to catch up on the reading. Hopefully I’ll survive that long. [/QUOTE] What I saw was, I think, 3 or 4 reasons to suspect me coming from the fact I said, “::sniff::”, instead of “we hardly knew ye”, or “::raises drink to fallen comrades::.” Seemed like a weak basis. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/723 "2007-03-31T21:02:42Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Then, pimaspinner, I expect you can provide good reasoning why her breadcrumb is more likely to be that I SHOULDN’T be trusted than that Menocchio should be? If not, it looks VERY suspicious to me that both you and **Gadarene** are voting for me for the same unsubstantiable reason. [/QUOTE] I haven’t said that Menocchio should be trusted, just that a crumb is a little piece of information, not the whole freakin’ loaf. I don’t really have any one right now that I would consider trusted, except the dead. I have suspicions about lots of you’s guys though. I voted for you based on your lame attempt at explaining yourself in post [#620](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8414547#post8414547) and this complete gibberish in post [#637](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8414783#post8414783). ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/724 "2007-03-31T21:33:09Z")
[QUOTE=pimaspinner] I haven’t said that Menocchio should be trusted, just that a crumb is a little piece of information, not the whole freakin’ loaf. I don’t really have any one right now that I would consider trusted, except the dead. I have suspicions about lots of you’s guys though. I voted for you based on your lame attempt at explaining yourself in post [#620](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8414547#post8414547) and this complete gibberish in post [#637](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8414783#post8414783). [/QUOTE] Wow, lots of backpedalling on your part. One night for the detective equals 1 piece of solid information, thus her breadcrumb was either to trust one person, or to not trust someone else. You said: [QUOTE=pimaspinner] If I were having to lay breadcrumbs, I don’t think I would throw down the entire loaf of bread ala Trust: Menocchio. Blaster Master is the crumb we should be following. [/QUOTE] This to me means you disagree with the sentiment that **Menocchio** should be trusted is the breadcrumb. I ask you to justify, because I wasn’t the only person on her mistrust list, so was **Autolycus**. In fact, I wasn’t even ON her initial trust/mistrust list. Instead, you dodge my question. So, I ask you again. Justify why her breadcrumb must have been that I should not be trusted. ---
**Author:** ![hocow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hocow/32/4112_2.png) [@hocow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hocow)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/725 "2007-03-31T21:42:35Z")
[QUOTE=pimaspinner] I voted for you based on your lame attempt at explaining yourself in post [#620](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8414547#post8414547) and this complete gibberish in post [#637](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8414783#post8414783). [/QUOTE] Having looking at those posts more, I think I am fully more convinced that **Blaster Master** may be the SK. In #620 he again assures us that if he were the VIG or SK he would have gone after **CaerieD** based on her “suspicious” posting. Follow that up with the contents of #637. He lays out the possible scenario that **cowgirl** was killed by mafia and **CaerieD** was killed by the VIG in the previous night. While this is entirely possible, he says that this is the most likely scenario. I don’t understand how someone could be so certain of that if he himself was not one of those roles. I think it would make sense for the SK to kill every night seeing as how we are all enemies in his eyes, and he knows that any death that isn’t his serves to help him win. I think I’m going to go ahead and vote Blaster Master. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/726 "2007-03-31T21:54:57Z")
[QUOTE=hocow] Having looking at those posts more, I think I am fully more convinced that **Blaster Master** may be the SK. In #620 he again assures us that if he were the VIG or SK he would have gone after **CaerieD** based on her “suspicious” posting. Follow that up with the contents of #637. He lays out the possible scenario that **cowgirl** was killed by mafia and **CaerieD** was killed by the VIG in the previous night. While this is entirely possible, he says that this is the most likely scenario. I don’t understand how someone could be so certain of that if he himself was not one of those roles. I think it would make sense for the SK to kill every night seeing as how we are all enemies in his eyes, and he knows that any death that isn’t his serves to help him win. I think I’m going to go ahead and vote Blaster Master. [/QUOTE] If you dispute my logic on who the SK and VIG should have targetted, feel free to attack my logic. In fact, you don’t, because you can’t. Even if you could, your response is completely illogical. If I were in fact the SK, it makes ZERO sense to lynch me, because then you deprive the VIG of an opportunity to clear his name at night by killing me instead. You also ignore the possibility that I could, in fact, be the VIG, and am certain because I pulled the trigger myself. If that were the case, it makes even less sense to lynch me because the VIG is pro-town. Sounds like a lot of jumping on the bandwagon to me along with **Gadarene** and **pimaspinner** , with poor logic. Except, I think they’re mafia, but I don’t think you are. I’ve had you pinned as the SK since yesterday, and now you’re jumping on the bandwagon to lynch me because you think I’m the VIG, which is exactly why you ignored the possibility above to try to convince more of the rest of us that I’m actually the SK and get the town to lynch your competition for you. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/727 "2007-03-31T22:07:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Having looking at those posts more, I think I am fully more convinced that Blaster Master may be the SK. In #620 he again assures us that if he were the VIG or SK he would have gone after CaerieD based on her “suspicious” posting. > > Follow that up with the contents of #637. He lays out the possible scenario that cowgirl was killed by mafia and CaerieD was killed by the VIG in the previous night. While this is entirely possible, he says that this is the most likely scenario. I don’t understand how someone could be so certain of that if he himself was not one of those roles. Wait, how does that make him the Serial Killer, then? By that line of reasoning, wouldn’t he pretty much have to be either Mafia or Vigilante? (Though really, since we have two deaths and three possible killers, I don’t see how anybody can be certain who killed the other person even if they _had_ targeted one of the victims for death. If, hypothetically, **BlasterMaster** were the Vigilante and he _had_ targeted **CaerieD** , it’s still entirely possible that the Mafia had _also_ voted to kill her and the SK is responsible for **cowgirl** ’s death, or it could be the other way around.) ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/728 "2007-03-31T22:14:07Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Wow, lots of backpedalling on your part. One night for the detective equals 1 piece of solid information, thus her breadcrumb was either to trust one person, or to not trust someone else. You said: This to me means you disagree with the sentiment that **Menocchio** should be trusted is the breadcrumb. I ask you to justify, because I wasn’t the only person on her mistrust list, so was **Autolycus**. In fact, I wasn’t even ON her initial trust/mistrust list. Instead, you dodge my question. So, I ask you again. Justify why her breadcrumb must have been that I should not be trusted. [/QUOTE] Backpedalling? My point is that I don’t think trust **Menocchio** _was her crumb_. I pretty much explained that already with the loaf vs crumb theory. Distrusting **Autolycus** could have been the crumb instead of you. Blatantly stating to trust **Menocchio** wasn’t a subtle hint. I don’t know who she investigated, but she could have just picked a name to put on her trust list to throw suspicion off the crumb she was leaving, in which case, she should have put a couple more names on there. I could very well be reading to much into that, as well as everything else being posted. Now if you’ll excuse me, my head hurts now. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/729 "2007-03-31T22:17:24Z")
And all this talk about breadcrumbs is making me hungry. ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/730 "2007-03-31T22:27:44Z")
I think the SK should continue to work with the town. The SK has two win scenarios. Either he survives and either the mafia get 50% of the surviving township or all the mafia are dead. The SK hides among the townies. If you’ll look at the list I made in post 646 on what the rest of the game would look like at random we’re destined to pick up a few mafia kills. And the mafia don’t pick up a majority until we’re down to 4 players. Two or three of which are mafia and the rest the town the SK will have to hide within. Does the SK feel confident that he can outlast the other 20 townies? Even if there are more people if the mafia get the win that’s still a huge chance. Whereas if the SK plays for a town victory he is working for more townies to survive longer. The more townies there are later in the game the better he can hide and the better chance he has of surviving the game. ---
**Author:** ![Aguecheek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Aguecheek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aguecheek)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/731 "2007-03-31T22:55:24Z")
Jeezus. I’ve been reading this for the past 2 hours. Just reading, for the luvva gawd. Now…a quick bow of the head and moment of silence for **cowgirl** and **CaerieD**. I haven’t been able to go back and make such incredibly detailed notes as some of you have. A quick read has come up with this: **CaerieD** twice stated she was suspicious of **Autolycus**. She also stated that she was suspicious of **Blaster Master**. She trusted **Menocchio** and voted for **sturmhauke** , who was targeted by many of us (myself included) for surviving. I’m guessing she investigated **Auto, Blaster** or **Mennochio**. **Blaster Master** encouraged the SK or the Vig to take out **CaerieD**. And **Autolycus** , for what it’s worth, has twice mentioned (maybe 3x? I can’t remember) that he’s suspicious of **Blaster Master** …although it was tucked away in there. What that could mean, I’ve no idea. And that’s all I’m saying at this point. Hopefully there’s some connection there - my plan is to now look more closely at what’s been said by **Autolycus** and **Blaster Master**. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/732 "2007-03-31T22:55:26Z")
There are two names at the top of my list right now. They are **Blaster Master** and **Pleonast**. Blaster Master has posted more than any other player in this thread. He has given us theories, statistics, accusations, refutations…it’s so much that it’s almost too much to keep up with. It’s as if he’s trying to bury us with information in order to confuse us. Pleonast was all over the place on Day 1 with his “trust/distrust” lists. After it was pointed out that his lists were “inconsistent” and suspicion began to fall on him he has practically disappeared, making only a single post on Day 2. Laying low, perhaps? I think that I should be more suspicious of Blaster Master, but my gut tells me to vote Pleonast. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/733 "2007-03-31T22:58:11Z")
[QUOTE=pimaspinner] Backpedalling? My point is that I don’t think trust **Menocchio** _was her crumb_. I pretty much explained that already with the loaf vs crumb theory. Distrusting **Autolycus** could have been the crumb instead of you. Blatantly stating to trust **Menocchio** wasn’t a subtle hint. I don’t know who she investigated, but she could have just picked a name to put on her trust list to throw suspicion off the crumb she was leaving, in which case, she should have put a couple more names on there. I could very well be reading to much into that, as well as everything else being posted. Now if you’ll excuse me, my head hurts now. 😛 [/QUOTE] I can’t see any reason why she would have trusted **Menocchio** unless he was who she investigated. ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/734 "2007-03-31T23:00:22Z")
**CaerieD** could have handled her crumb many ways. Hold it early or wait till the conversation heats up and dropping it might have a bigger effect. It could possible be either bad for \*\*Autolycus \*\*or **Blaster Master** or good for **Menocchio**. What’s funny is even they can’t tell if they were actually investigated since the late Detective may have just guessed right in each case. Also our Beat Cop will have had two nights to work. If they’ve investigated someone twice they may have a really good idea that someone either is or is not working on the side of all that is good. We might want to keep an eye out for those crumbs as well. You know, I think **pimaspinner** and **Blaster Master** may be on opposite sides of the aisle. Tell me **pimaspinner** , do you think that **Blaster Master** may have been her crumb in post 748? Seeing if she could stop a bandwagon she didn’t believe in? Seems kinda late for a Det. that had posted more then a few times by then and a bandwagon that had already reached 9 votes. unvote brewha I’m thinking in another direction now. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/735 "2007-03-31T23:06:38Z")
Originally Posted by MadTheSwine hocow-Dnooman and I decided to eat her. [QUOTE=hocow] I am strangely turned on by that post. [/QUOTE] Now ya know I ain’t Italian 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/736 "2007-03-31T23:10:42Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] I can’t see any reason why she would have trusted **Menocchio** unless he was who she investigated. [/QUOTE] Well post 318 he comes off as very confident and saying if he were scum what he would do. She may have thought his reasoning strong and was simply agreeing with him. \*\*Menocchio \*\*voted for \*\*sturmhauke \*\*and later so did she. I don’t know anything about \*\*CaerieD \*\*to say how she would have revealed the info. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/737 "2007-03-31T23:30:17Z")
[QUOTE=Fern Forest] Also our Beat Cop will have had two nights to work. If they’ve investigated someone twice they may have a really good idea that someone either is or is not working on the side of all that is good. We might want to keep an eye out for those crumbs as well. [/QUOTE] As I was just reviewing the voting histories, I noticed that **Zuma** voted for \*\*Queueing \*\*on both Day 1 and Day 2. It occurred to me that he might be a Cop, who had followed up a Night 1 investigation on Night 2, with the same result. Further investigation showed that there was only one other person who had cast votes for the same player on both Days. That person was **Menocchio**. His target on both Days? \*\*Queueing \*\* Of course, Menocchio later retracted his Day 2 vote, but still, I thought it interesting… ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/738 "2007-04-01T00:14:19Z")
[QUOTE=Suburban Plankton] There are two names at the top of my list right now. They are **Blaster Master** and **Pleonast**. Blaster Master has posted more than any other player in this thread. He has given us theories, statistics, accusations, refutations…it’s so much that it’s almost too much to keep up with. It’s as if he’s trying to bury us with information in order to confuse us. Pleonast was all over the place on Day 1 with his “trust/distrust” lists. After it was pointed out that his lists were “inconsistent” and suspicion began to fall on him he has practically disappeared, making only a single post on Day 2. Laying low, perhaps? I think that I should be more suspicious of Blaster Master, but my gut tells me to vote Pleonast. [/QUOTE] I have to agree about **Pleonast’s** lists. Vote Pleonast. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/739 "2007-04-01T00:32:47Z")
I am going to be going out for several hours. So how about a vote count before I leave? (3) Blaster Master- (Queuing,Gadarene,hocow) (1) brewha - MonkeyMench (4) chrisk - (Lakai,Pygmy Rugger,ARizonaTeach,FCoD) (1) Flying Cow of Doom - (Fretful Porpentine) (1) Gadarene - (chrisk) (1) nesta - (sturmhauke) (1) pimaspinner - (Blaster Master) (3) Pleonast - (Lakai,Kat,MadTheSwine) (1) Queuing - (Zuma) (1) Suburban Plankton - (Pleonast) Also, **chrisk** has decided to sub out of the game. If anyone wants to take his place (non current players only, former players welcome) let me know. His role goes on a first come first served basis. PM or email me. ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/740 "2007-04-01T00:38:29Z")
All right, I’ll make it a 3 way tie. Lynch Pleonast You missed pimaspinner’s vote in post 712. (4) Blaster Master (Queuing, Gadarene, pimaspinner, hocow) (1) brewha (MonkeyMensh) (4) chrisk (FCoD, Pygmy Rugger, ArizonaTeach, Lakai) (1) FlyingCowOfDoom (Fretful Porpentine) (1) Gadarene (chrisk) (1) nesta (Sturmhauke) (1) Queuing (Zuma) (4) Pleonast (Kat, Suburan Plankton, MadTheSwine, Fern Forest) We are now 26 hours into our 2nd day. We have nearly 4 days left of deliberation. Plenty of time for you three to find a way to defend yourselves. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=38)