# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/881 "2007-04-01T22:56:22Z")
[QUOTE=FlyingCowOfDoom] People voting for Pleonast: Fern Forest, Fretful Porpentine, Gadarene, Kat, Lakai, Suburban Plankton (6). **Pygmy** , that comment is WAY more suspicious than chrisk’s actions. Until you can explain yourself, I’m going to unvote chrisk, vote Pygmy Rugger. –FCOD [/QUOTE] Wow. This really does seem a good catch. I won’t switch votes at the moment (to spare things for the GM) but I join in the call for a GOOOOD explanation from Pygmy. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/882 "2007-04-01T23:04:02Z")
Ok, the fact that I am now in a voting bloc with **Pygmy** and **Winston** gives me the heebs. Damn. Unvote chrisk/JSexton. I’ll re-cast my vote tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/883 "2007-04-01T23:07:16Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] I’m not in love with the reasoning behind all this, because it relies on the assumption that **sturm,** , **Auto** , and **chrisk** are all townies of one flavor or another. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE] No kidding. Any reason you think Sturm, Auto and chrisk are townies? One way to find out is to hang **Blaster Master** or **Pleonast** , who have both expressed their trust of **chrisk** and their approval of his Open Detection System. Hanging **FlyingCowOfDoom** won’t gain us much. If he is scum it will help, but if he’s town then we have nothing. If **Pleonast** turns out to be town, then I would have to rethink my whole approach to the game. If he is mafia, I’m going after **Blaster Master** and then **Sturmhauke** , who he defended. The only concrete evidence we gain will come from dead bodies. We need to choose one that will give us the most. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/884 "2007-04-01T23:08:31Z")
Sorry I haven’t posted for a while - real life got in the way. :eek: I didn’t post any warning about this though (as you can see from the thread). I continue to believe that Autolycus is best out of the game - as Zuma put it neatly: > [@Zuma](#): > > My view on Autolycus is that he’s either: > > 1. a townie completely shitting all over this game > 2. mafia playing his role openly either to rub it in our faces how long he’s lasted, or to do the big double-bluff. However it does seem a good idea to ask the Vig to deal with him. As Autolycus doesn’t appear to post anything worthwhile, he won’t mount any informational defence. Now if JSexton has taken over from ChrisK, we should get something interesting. So lynch ChrisK and please will someone\* save the thread from any more depressing Autolycus posts! \*If not the Vig, could SK do us all a favour… ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/885 "2007-04-01T23:16:51Z")
[QUOTE=StarvingButStrong] Wow. This really does seem a good catch. I won’t switch votes at the moment (to spare things for the GM) but I join in the call for a GOOOOD explanation from Pygmy. [/QUOTE] I’m going to say ditto. > [@glee](#): > > If not the Vig, could SK do us all a favour… I’ll in fact ask both of them to target him in case one gets blocked. And for the GA to not protect him. If we get only 1 kill at night and he survives then we’ll know something. But I suspect we’ll be pleased. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/886 "2007-04-01T23:19:22Z")
I still don’t see that Auto’s presence here could do anything but help the town, but i do think we’re on to something better than my personal distaste here: unvote Autolycus Vote Pygmy Rugger ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/887 "2007-04-01T23:22:42Z")
[QUOTE=glee] However it does seem a good idea to ask the Vig to deal with him. As Autolycus doesn’t appear to post anything worthwhile, he won’t mount any informational defence. . . . \*If not the Vig, could SK do us all a favour… [/QUOTE] I’s begs to differ. Maybe I ‘aint some pro at analyzations like youz guys, but I’ms contributin’ lately like. I’s admit math aint my style, see, but I’m helpin’ in my own way. Not me’s fault if ya is too dumb to recogsnize it. If ya asks me, I think you’re just tryin’ to off me and save the mafia the pleasure. Ands besides, I still thinks a man should do 'im owns dirty work too. Kids these days gots no sense of ethic like stuff. Geez I got me’s a bad feeling about tonight. Anyone’s sellin’ life insurance? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/888 "2007-04-01T23:23:40Z")
You know, I never thought counting would be so hard. I am going to hold off on doing another vote count until I rethink my method for keeping track of the votes, because clearly it is majorly flawed. I should have the next vote count up by tomorrow night. Until then, Pleonast is still in the lead…um use MtS’s most recent vote count as the last official one. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/889 "2007-04-01T23:24:25Z")
[QUOTE=Menocchio] I still don’t see that Auto’s presence here could do anything but help the town, but i do think we’re on to something better than my personal distaste here: [/QUOTE] :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/890 "2007-04-01T23:29:09Z")
[QUOTE=glee] Sorry I haven’t posted for a while - real life got in the way. :eek: I didn’t post any warning about this though (as you can see from the thread). I continue to believe that Autolycus is best out of the game - as Zuma put it neatly: However it does seem a good idea to ask the Vig to deal with him. As Autolycus doesn’t appear to post anything worthwhile, he won’t mount any informational defence. Now if JSexton has taken over from ChrisK, we should get something interesting. So lynch ChrisK \ and please will someone\* save the thread from any more depressing Autolycus posts! \*If not the Vig, could SK do us all a favour… [/QUOTE] Um, not real sure how you figure we’ll get information from lynching **chrisk/jsexton**. **chrisk** hasn’t posted anything that I think we would find useful, and **jsexton** hasn’t posted anything yet. I’m sure he is about ears deep in the thread though. This is highly suspicious, and makes you scum in my eyes now. I don’t think I need to change my vote now…we can lynch you soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/891 "2007-04-01T23:31:12Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] No kidding. Any reason you think Sturm, Auto and chrisk are townies? One way to find out is to hang **Blaster Master** or **Pleonast** , who have both expressed their trust of **chrisk** and their approval of his Open Detection System. [/QUOTE] Well, my reasoning behind believing **sturmhauke** is town I outlined on Day 1, but I don’t blame you if you don’t want to search for it. Basically, I think he got piled on Day 1 with absolutely no evidence against him. One or two random votes for someone with no basis behind them doesn’t really tell us much, but a big push to lynch someone with no evidence smells scummy to me. If scum are pushing to kill someone, it seems _de facto_ evidence that the someone is question is not scum. **Autolycus** is either town or the worst Mafia player ever. Finally, I have no solid reason for viewing **chrisk/JSexton** to be town, other than that **chrisk’s** posts in this thread have read much more like confused and frustrated townie than like a master manipulator. Read his reasons for leaving the game again - if taken at face value, don’t they sound a lot more like someone sorry he can’t help his team than someone who’s Master Plan was unfolding exactly as he’d hoped? > [@](#): > > Hanging **FlyingCowOfDoom** won’t gain us much. If he is scum it will help, but if he’s town then we have nothing. If **Pleonast** turns out to be town, then I would have to rethink my whole approach to the game. If he is mafia, I’m going after **Blaster Master** and then **Sturmhauke** , who he defended. Well, hanging **FCOD** gains us something if he’s scum. It is true that if I’m wrong, we gain nothing. Bears thinking about. Because of our experience last Day, though, I’m still not comfortable voting anywhere in the vicinity of **Pleonast** until he’s had a chance to speak in his own defense. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/892 "2007-04-01T23:35:26Z")
[QUOTE=StarvingButStrong] Wow. This really does seem a good catch. I won’t switch votes at the moment (to spare things for the GM) but I join in the call for a GOOOOD explanation from Pygmy. [/QUOTE] Well, hell. I’m so wrapped up in my own line of investigation that this blew past me the first time through. For the record, I did post on this thread that I’d be away until late last night (I was working on my mother-in-law’s barbershop chorus show - seriously - all day yesterday). The others, I don’t know about. I’ll wait to change my vote until I hear **Pygmy’s** explanation, but this might be the best lead we’ve seen so far. Nice catch, **Mad**. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/893 "2007-04-01T23:38:51Z")
[QUOTE=FlyingCowOfDoom] **Pygmy** , that comment is WAY more suspicious than chrisk’s actions. Until you can explain yourself, I’m going to unvote chrisk, vote Pygmy Rugger. –FCOD [/QUOTE] (uncolored quote to avoid vote-confusion) Other than the aforementioned comment, **Pygmy Rugger** ’s activity so far is: -vote for **chrisk** ( **JSexton** ) -a bunch of drinking posts That looks like it’s about it. Unless I completely missed it, he didn’t contribute to the Day One discussion at all. That by itself is excusable, since the day’s end caught everyone by surprise. I’m happy with my vote for **Pleonast** right now, but I also think **Pygmy** needs to explain himself. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/894 "2007-04-02T00:15:36Z")
**Pygmy Rugger** did say _IIRC_. Maybe he didn’t. He also voiced reservations about \*\*Blaster Master \*\* a little before that post. \*\*MadTheSwine \*\* may have just picked up on an honest mistake. \*\*FCOD \*\* jumped right in to get the wheels of the wagon turning. Since I think \*\*FCOD \*\* is scum (as does **storyteller0910** ), it leads me to believe that \*\*Pygmy \*\* is innocent. \*\*Menocchio \*\* has also chimed in with a vote for **Pygmy** , and now if I have counted correctly, he is up to 4 votes. **Pygmy** , please come defend yourself. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/895 "2007-04-02T00:36:56Z")
Hi, folks. I’ve been skimming along the last week, but I need to start over with a deep re-read. That’ll come tomorrow. unvote in the meantime. Also, pima, how about you let Pygmy answer for him/herself? ---
**Author:** ![FlyingCowOfDoom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyingcowofdoom/32/21776_2.png) [@FlyingCowOfDoom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingCowOfDoom)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/896 "2007-04-02T00:38:20Z")
Vote count: Pleonast - 6 (Fern Forest, Fretful Porpentine, Gadarene, Kat, Lakai, Suburban Plankton) Blaster Master - 4 (brewha, hocow, pimaspinner, Queuing) Pygmy Rugger - 4 (FlyingCowOfDoom, MadTheSwine, Menocchio, Zuma) chrisk/JSexton - 3 (glee, Pygmy Rugger, Winston Smith) Queuing - 3 (kivvik, nesta, StarvingButStrong) Menocchio - 1 (Autolycus) Gadarene - 1 (chrisk/JSexton) hocow - 1 (Malacandra) brewha - 1 (MonkeyMensch) Rysto - 1 (sturmhauke) I still don’t know what I did to arouse your suspicion, **pimaspinner**. I assure you, I’m not scum. I switched to **Pygmy Rugger** quickly because I wanted to make sure to catch his attention. I really don’t think one vote can be considered a bandwagon… –FCOD ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/897 "2007-04-02T00:40:10Z")
[QUOTE=JSexton] … I need to start over with a deep re-read. That’ll come tomorrow… [/QUOTE] So we can expect you start posting sometime next week then? ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/898 "2007-04-02T00:59:54Z")
[QUOTE=JSexton] Hi, folks. I’ve been skimming along the last week, but I need to start over with a deep re-read. That’ll come tomorrow. unvote in the meantime. Also, pima, how about you let Pygmy answer for him/herself? [/QUOTE] I thought that’s what I asked him to do. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/899 "2007-04-02T01:00:12Z")
[QUOTE=pimaspinner] **Pygmy Rugger** did say _IIRC_. Maybe he didn’t. He also voiced reservations about \*\*Blaster Master \*\* a little before that post. \*\*MadTheSwine \*\* may have just picked up on an honest mistake. \*\*FCOD \*\* jumped right in to get the wheels of the wagon turning. Since I think \*\*FCOD \*\* is scum (as does **storyteller0910** ), it leads me to believe that \*\*Pygmy \*\* is innocent. \*\*Menocchio \*\* has also chimed in with a vote for **Pygmy** , and now if I have counted correctly, he is up to 4 votes. **Pygmy** , please come defend yourself. [/QUOTE] This post stinks more’s than a fish in heat. Why’s you be’n so damn nice to **Pygmy** , defendsdin’ ‘is innocence and sayin’ please 'n shit? Sounds likes youz two’z could be in tha club, if ya gets my drift. To quote’s a favorite show I watch and stuff: “not that there’s anything wrong with that” ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/900 "2007-04-02T01:15:14Z")
[QUOTE=JSexton] Hi, folks. I’ve been skimming along the last week, but I need to start over with a deep re-read. That’ll come tomorrow. unvote in the meantime. [/QUOTE] I’m unclear on what you mean here. Are you telling us that you are unvoting **Gadarene** , whom \*\*chrisk \*\*voted for several hundred posts ago? Or are you asking us to unvote you until you have a chance to catch up with your reading? Regarding **Pygmy Rugger** , some of you folks must do even more thorough documentation of the thread than I do, because that slip-up slid right past me. I find it _Very Interesting_, but I’m not changing my vote for \*\*Pleonast \*\*just yet. (Partially because he has yet to re-enter the thread to defend himself, and I’m fairly certain that he didn’t announce that he would be gone for a few days.) One thing I did notice is that \*\*Autolycus \*\*suddenly seems to be all over the place, and actually has something to say, if I’m translating his posts properly. They do add a bit of color to the proceedings. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=46)