# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/901 "2007-04-02T01:35:52Z")
So I’ve been out “stalking” people in the pic thread. **dnooman** ’s apparantly some type of [musician](http://www.flickr.com/photos/7136612@N03/405081422/), no wonder they offed him so quickly. **hocow** is to [cute](http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u114/hocow/stuff-35--.jpg)not to kill. She might be one of those Mata Hari types. And **Autolycus** well it’s weird. Sometimes he seems no [nice](http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o57/BC_Autolycus/Random%20Pics%20of%20Me/HPIM0386small.jpg) and other times so [evil](http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o57/BC_Autolycus/Random%20Pics%20of%20Me/HPIM0361small.jpg). Or is it vice-versa? [I’m](http://www.mywikigenealogy.com/mediawiki-1.7.1/images/4/42/OsirisandEliana.jpg) loved by small children. Or have I freightened her? I forget. Warning, there’s no actual gaming taking place in this post. Just thought it’d be neat to put faces to people. ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/902 "2007-04-02T01:39:02Z")
[QUOTE=Suburban Plankton] Are you telling us that you are unvoting **Gadarene** , whom \*\*chrisk \*\*voted for several hundred posts ago? [/QUOTE] I do believe that’s what was meant. It would make sense. Of course it would also suck to finally get caught up only to get lynched. Seeing as how we have people who don’t feel right to us it might be nice to give our sub at least one day of the game after putting so much work into reading this thread. And we can always lynch \*\*JSexton \*\*tomorrow if we feel it necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/903 "2007-04-02T01:40:25Z")
I very much want to here **JSexton** ’s thoughts before we lynch anybody. We have lots of time. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/904 "2007-04-02T02:32:01Z")
Okay, **storyteller9010’s** post at #854 is one of the most suspicious things I’ve read in this thread. And, having read it, I’ll say this: if **storyteller** , **Pleonast** , and **Blaster Master** are not all scum, I will eat any number of hats you care to send me. Also, welcome **JSexton**. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/905 "2007-04-02T03:27:13Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] I very much want to here **JSexton** ’s thoughts before we lynch anybody. We have lots of time. [/QUOTE] I agree with this. It is only fair to allow him a full re-read before anyone is placed up on the chopping block for a role-claim/defense. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/906 "2007-04-02T03:45:05Z")
[RolePlay=Off] [QUOTE=Fern Forest] So I’ve been out “stalking” people in the pic thread. **dnooman** ’s apparantly some type of [musician](http://www.flickr.com/photos/7136612@N03/405081422/), no wonder they offed him so quickly. **hocow** is to [cute](http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u114/hocow/stuff-35--.jpg)not to kill. She might be one of those Mata Hari types. And **Autolycus** well it’s weird. Sometimes he seems no [nice](http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o57/BC_Autolycus/Random%20Pics%20of%20Me/HPIM0386small.jpg) and other times so [evil](http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o57/BC_Autolycus/Random%20Pics%20of%20Me/HPIM0361small.jpg). Or is it vice-versa? . [/QUOTE] WTF, how did you find my photobucket account? :eek: Not that I mind, but I thought it was a secret! Damn me for having such a recognizable username \>\< Ok, back to the game. [RolePlay=On] ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/907 "2007-04-02T04:04:52Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] [RolePlay=Off]WTF, how did you find my photobucket account? :eek: Not that I mind, but I thought it was a secret! Damn me for having such a recognizable username \>\< Ok, back to the game.[RolePlay=On] [/QUOTE] Sorry I just clicked on your links in the pic thread and they were broken. I just took off the end, figuring that was the broken part, and reloaded. Then I clicked on “pics of me.” Figured that was what you were linking too. Didn’t mean to go anywhere I wasn’t supposed to. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/908 "2007-04-02T04:22:12Z")
Just a note, but there’s a few posts with the wrong numbers in **Lakai’s** list of **CaerieD** posts in post [845](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8418112&postcount=845). The link that says it’s to post 445 is actually to post 425, and 476 is to 478. It’s a small thing, but I just wanted to save anyone the few seconds of confusion it caused me. Thanks for the list of posts **Lakai** , it saved me some time. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/909 "2007-04-02T04:48:58Z")
[QUOTE=Suburban Plankton] I’m unclear on what you mean here. Are you telling us that you are unvoting **Gadarene** , whom \*\*chrisk \*\*voted for several hundred posts ago? Or are you asking us to unvote you until you have a chance to catch up with your reading? [/quote] The latter. Since I don’t know why chrisk voted Gadarene, it’s silly to leave the vote there. I may place it there again after I re-read, of course. > [@Fern Forest](#): > > So we can expect you start posting sometime next week then? Next week, meaning Monday? Um, yeah, I suppose so. That’s still only tomorrow though. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/910 "2007-04-02T04:50:36Z")
Er, that was supposed to say “the former”, not “the latter”. I hope that was obvious from context. “Sorry! The administrator has specified that users can only post one message every 60 seconds.” Curse you, administrator! ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/911 "2007-04-02T04:53:45Z")
[QUOTE=JSexton] Next week, meaning Monday? Um, yeah, I suppose so. That’s still only tomorrow though. [/QUOTE] He was joking that it’ll take you a week to get through the entire thread. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/912 "2007-04-02T05:06:17Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] He was joking that it’ll take you a week to get through the entire thread. [/QUOTE] Oh, well, piffle.You should see some of the games I’ve played in another sites. They regularly top 4000 posts. Heck, one game hit 1500 posts before day one ended… ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/913 "2007-04-02T05:13:47Z")
[QUOTE=JSexton] Oh, well, piffle.You should see some of the games I’ve played in another sites. They regularly top 4000 posts. Heck, one game hit 1500 posts before day one ended… [/QUOTE] Shit’s balls, I hopes this dudes on my side! ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/914 "2007-04-02T05:38:42Z")
[QUOTE=JSexton] Oh, well, piffle.You should see some of the games I’ve played in another sites. They regularly top 4000 posts. Heck, one game hit 1500 posts before day one ended… [/QUOTE] I imagine, if day one hadn’t ended early, we very well could have gotten close to that. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/915 "2007-04-02T05:43:56Z")
I was out doing yardwork all day (and got A LOT of stuff accomplished, I might add. Now that I’m back, I’m going to re-read the thread (I was hoping I wasn’t going to have to do that) looking for the posts in which I thought a few players said they were going to be away for the weekend. Wish me luck! ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/916 "2007-04-02T05:50:35Z")
[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger] I was out doing yardwork all day (and got A LOT of stuff accomplished, I might add. Now that I’m back, I’m going to re-read the thread (I was hoping I wasn’t going to have to do that) looking for the posts in which I thought a few players said they were going to be away for the weekend. Wish me luck! [/QUOTE] Watch outs for tha lynch mob too. You aint too populars lately-like. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/917 "2007-04-02T06:02:20Z")
I was hoping **Queuing** would check in today to hear his defense, but I guess he wasn’t able to make it back to the computer like he hoped he would. I’ve been contemplating switching my vote so I reviewed some of the posts that originally made me cast it for **Queuing** in the first place. I cast it because I think it’s obvious that **Menocchio** was **CaerieD’s** breadcrumb, and I remembered **Queuing** and then **Gadarene** saying that no, it was **Blaster Master**. After looking through all **CaerieD’s** posts, I stand by the fact that the breadcrumb was for trusting **Menocchio**. In post [296](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8405880&postcount=296) she says: [QUOTE=CaerieD] **Rysto** - Not a bad strategy. If everyone starts tossing out their “investigations” it’ll be completely useless _until_ one of the people who’s posted “investigations” has been killed. Once Cops start getting killed, those seemingly useless bits of information will suddenly be a treasure trove. [/QUOTE] This makes me believe that she, the Detective, was endorsing the idea and planned to put her breadcrumbs in her trust/mistrust list. In her very next post (post [326](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8406256&postcount=326)) she posts just such a list, with only one name on each side: [QUOTE=CaerieD] Trust: **Menocchio**. Distrust: **Enfant Terrible**. There are just lots of different things that are adding up to make me suspicious. I’m somewhat suspicious of **Autolycus** , too, but I can’t tell if he’s scum and baiting or just really sadistic. [/QUOTE] We already know **Enfant Terrible** was a civilian, so that only leaves trusting **Menocchio**. If she endorsed posting breadcrumbs in trust lists, and then posts one the very next post, it strongly suggests that this was her breadcrumb. She didn’t post anything at all about **Blaster Master** until post [478](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8408888&postcount=478): [QUOTE=CaerieD] My mistrust of **Blaster Master** is one of several reasons why I decided against voting for **Enfant Terrible**. There’s just something a little overly gung-ho there, when there’s no particular reason to be quite that impassioned. It made me think Mafia trying to turn us against one another and so I couldn’t go with his endorsement. [/QUOTE] This isn’t even in the trust list format that she had already endorsed. I don’t think this can be her breadcrumb. Also of note is that **CaerieD** didn’t vote for **Blaster Master** like you might expect from a Detective who knows someone is scum. Instead she voted with **Menocchio** for **sturmhauke**. This seems very consistent with her knowing that **Menochhio** was a civilian. What better way to make sure you aren’t falling into a Mafia bandwagon than to vote with someone you know isn’t on their side? That’s my argument for why we shouldn’t suspect **Blaster Master** because of **CaerieD’s** distrust of him. I can’t decide myself if I entirely trust him or not. He could be scum, or maybe he isn’t, but **CaerieD’s** distrust shouldn’t factor into it at all. Now on review **Queuing** didn’t outright say that **Blaster Master** was the breadcrumb. I think this long, long thread has confused me a little. What he did say about it was in post [581](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8413965&postcount=581) and post [679](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8415358&postcount=679), where he says to **Blaster Master** : [QUOTE=Queuing] Yes you are missing something. You were on our fair detective’s mistrust list. You are scum IMO, and must die. [/QUOTE] I didn’t quote post 581 because it was mostly him quoting **Blaster Master** , but the relevant part worth mentioning is his quote of post [388](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8407700&postcount=388): [QUOTE=Blaster Master] After some more re-reads, here’s another update of who is suspicious to me Trust: Rysto, Lakai, Storyteller0910, chrisk (but only for today, if he stops posting his investigations, he goes right to my mistrust list) Mistrust: Enfant Terrible, Queuing, CaerieD, Autolycus, MonkeyMensch Thus, I would say we should lynch Enfant, the VIG should kill Queuing, and the SK should kill CaerieD. I have a gut on a couple of the other roles too, but it’s obviously not to our benefit to air those suspicions. [/QUOTE] **Queuing** then says at the end of post 581 that his vote for **Blaster Master** was because of the SK comment: [QUOTE=Queuing] Either one of these 2 people is fine by me. We lynch either **Sturmhauke** or **Blaster Master**. Since I don’t know how much I will be able to post this weekend (and the growth of this thread), I vote to \lynch Blaster Master\. This is because of his SK comment. [/QUOTE] My question to you **Queuing** is do you still think **Blaster Master** was **CaerieD’s** breadcrumb? If so, can you defend that? If you still want to cast doubt that **Menocchio** was the breadcrumb but don’t have a really good reason I like my vote. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/918 "2007-04-02T06:19:20Z")
Thank you for posting that, Nesta. I found it very strange as well that there were suggestions that her breadcrumb was someone else, when it seemed so obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/919 "2007-04-02T06:53:07Z")
Ok, it looks like **MTS** was right, glee and **WS** didn’t say they were going to be out, and **storyteller** only said he was not going to be giving in-depth analysis. However, the following quotes are from the past 48 hours. If I go back faurther (especially around the time the game started), I’d be sure to find many more: [QUOTE=Autolycus] Ughs, I hads me a hard day’s night yesterday. A killa 12 hour shift thens a night on the town with me’s buds. \ [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Pleonast] After quickly skimming everything since the day started:\ [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=NAF1138] I am going to be going out for several hours.\ [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=brewha] Holy crap! 2 Votes! Sorry for the little contribution. I was out of town the last couple of days (just away from the comp actually, but trying to stay in character). \ [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=pimaspinner] \ Just in case I don’t get to check in again before the lynching… [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Blaster Master] Procrastination… much more fun than working on my term projects and/or work. Either of which is what I’m supposed to be doing. 😃 \ [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Fretful Porpentine] \ I’m going to be out of town with only sporadic Internet access over the next few days, by the way; I’ll try to check in on this thread when I can, but I don’t know how often that will be, so don’t be surprised if it takes me a while to react to new developments. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=MadTheSwine] Yeah.I dread a subbed in player having read the thread,that said,I am going to bed. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Suburban Plankton] \ If we keep going at this pace, I’m going to have to ask work for a leave of absence. [/QUOTE] And these (for the most part) don’t include people who said they were going to catch up now that they’re back, or posted an initial gut feeling after only skimming the thread. I’ve been doing my best to follow this thread carefully, and when I made the offhand comment that those three players had said they were gone, I’m sure I just assumed since three players hadn’t voted yet, it must have been the three that said in advance that they weren’t going to be here. Also, going back to my “suspicious” post, It was posted only two minutes after **Fern** ’s post that showed everybody’s most recent posts. I am not taking notes on this game, and merely assumed that those players must have been out for a day or two. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/920 "2007-04-02T07:09:33Z")
A quick scan of the “Family Feud” game thread, which I’m also a part of, also reveals these posts: [QUOTE=JpnDude] \It’s only just begun but I must call it quits for now. A business emergency sent me to \ [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rodgers01] :: pant pant pant :: Sorry I’m late guys. Go Red Team! I’m coming up with my answers for the steal. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Idle Thoughts] Great. Now I’m the one busy. Sorry players. : / Just have a lot of work and stuff this week. \ Sorry so much for the delay and the, now, busy-ness. \ [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=myskepticsight] One of us should officially guess so hopefully I can maybe play before I go on spring break tomorrow and am on the net less. Not it! 🙂 [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Struan] \I’m going to be away from early Saturday morning 31/03 until late Friday night 6/04. No possibility of contact in between those two dates. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Avarie537] Just an FYI for the Blue Team - I am going out of town tomorrow at 1:00 PM and won’t be back until Saturday night. So if we get to a second round of guessing, don’t wait for me! [/QUOTE] Just to add to the posts of people with away messages. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=47)