# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1221 "2007-04-03T14:34:55Z")
Well, we need to get someone on 10 votes soon, and BM needs to tell us his choice. I’m all about time management for town. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1222 "2007-04-03T14:38:03Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m all about time management for town. Sure you are. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1223 "2007-04-03T14:40:06Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] I’m telling you right now: lynching **Queuing** and having **Blaster Master** target me is an absolutely insane idea…_and_ I suspect it would prove _extremely_ detrimental to the town. [/QUOTE] I’m inclined to believe this thought, even if it is worth a nickle. You’re right, we need to split the killings. Collumn A goes to Pleonast. Note: This is not because I think he’s scum, but at this point, we need the information, and since I’m inclined to trust **BM** for the night, and he wants to off **Gadarene** or **Queuing** , I think this vote is placed where it can best uncover at _least_ one scum tonight, hopefully three. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1224 "2007-04-03T14:40:12Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] Sure you are. [/QUOTE] I think my history of bitching about poor time management speaks for itself. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1225 "2007-04-03T14:43:01Z")
Zuma, I don’t see how killing one side of the debate completely makes any sense at all. Are you denying that there are 2 clear sides here? Are you disputing the make-up as stated of the 2 sides? **BM** does NOT get to decide who he wants to kill. The mere suggestion that he has any input at all is making me doubt his claim more and more, and you as well. **BM** must become a tool of the town. Tools do not get to decide where and how they operate. It is insane, and frankly, **Zuma** , your thinking is hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1226 "2007-04-03T14:46:07Z")
**Pygmy Rugger:** > [@](#): > > I’m inclined to believe this thought, even if it is worth a nickle. Thanks. By way of explaining my comment, I’ll reiterate that I’m working under the assumption that **Queuing** is Town, since he and I have been employing nearly identical reasoning over the course of this gameday. Of course, he might _not_ be town. I have no inside knowledge. I’m not a cop. I’m not a mason. I’m not Mafia. I have no idea who’s who except through my own observations—which are, as **Suburban Plankton** noted—based on very, very thin gruel at this point in the game. So if **Queuing** and I were both to die tonight, I can tell you with the certainty of a thousand stern nuns that you’d be lynching at least one citizen…me. Could **Queuing** be scum? Hell, sure he could. Unlike some of the other players here, I don’t pretend to have all the answers. 😉 But _at best_ it would be a 1:1 trade for the Town. Which is fine, as long as you understand that that’s the best-case scenario. (And, if you factor in the other night killings, it’s far more likely to be 2:1 or even 3:1 against the Town.) ---
**Author:** ![FlyingCowOfDoom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyingcowofdoom/32/21776_2.png) [@FlyingCowOfDoom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingCowOfDoom)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1227 "2007-04-03T14:49:48Z")
Quick vote count: (8) Queuing - (kivvik, StarvingButStrong, zuma, Pleonast, brewha, glee, Winston Smith, FlyingCowOfDoom) (7) Pleonast - (Fern Forest, Fretful Porpentine, Kat, Queuing, Gadarene, pimaspinner, Pygmy Rugger) (6) Gadarene - (Smitty, Blaster Master, nesta, ArizonaTeach, sturmhauke, Malacandra) (2) Blaster Master - (Lakai, hocow) (2) Pygmy Rugger - (MadTheSwine, Menocchio) –FCOD ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1228 "2007-04-03T14:50:00Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] Zuma, I don’t see how killing one side of the debate completely makes any sense at all. Are you denying that there are 2 clear sides here? Are you disputing the make-up as stated of the 2 sides? **BM** does NOT get to decide who he wants to kill. The mere suggestion that he has any input at all is making me doubt his claim more and more, and you as well. **BM** must become a tool of the town. Tools do not get to decide where and how they operate. It is insane, and frankly, **Zuma** , your thinking is hilarious. [/QUOTE] Point taken, Queuing. I know I’m town, and if BM is vig he knows or suspects it as well. But yeah, it should be a town concensus. In any event, we need to put someone over the edge and get BM to announce his choice. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1229 "2007-04-03T14:50:57Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] **Winston:** Fair enough. Only in that I don’t see any reason to suspect him (since **Blaster Master** obviously twigs my radar as well). Trying to understand. I like understanding things. **JSexton’s** “analysis” consisted in large part of his simply airing his gut instincts about various people with little or no elaboration. And, if **Blaster Master** is the Vigilante, it’s already been proven completely wrong in one major instance. It was hilarious how quickly so many people signed on to what he said, seemingly just because he put it in handy list form and used lots of declaratives. 🙂 I’m not saying he’s wrong about any of it, and I know he’s a Mafia player of some repute, but everyone’s apparently just assuming he’s town…even though some of you were all hot to lynch **chrisk** before he stepped into the role. Hell no. I just want this day done with without too much harm to the town. If you lynch me, now or later, you’ll be lynching a vanilla townie. Period. Since no one’s really pointed to anything suspicious that I’ve done, there’s not much more I can say except that this is my first Mafia game, and I’m apparently not very good. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Yes, I was lobbying to lynch **chrisk** instead of subbing him out. I’m disappointed in my fellow townies for not seeing that that was the sensible thing to do. Now we’ve got **jsexton** who (as you said) is a player of some repute. I’m not throwing all my trust in his direction, but for the time being he’s posting sentiments in line with my own regarding who’s town and who’s Mafia. Thus, I’ll vote with him. If we learn that you and **Q** aren’t Mafia (after we’ve lynched you, of course) I’ll have to re-examine my assumptions. Of course if it plays out that way I’ll probably be not long for town anyways. **MadTheSwine** seems to be on temporary hiatus from pursuing me, but as I mentioned earlier he has alterior motives which aren’t immediately obvious and some folks might have a hard time understanding. Nonethelss, he may be ultimately successful in drumming up enough support to throw a little party with good ol’ Winston as the guest of honor. All that being said, I do agree with you on one point - I’d like to get things going and move this painfully slow game along to the next day. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1230 "2007-04-03T14:52:01Z")
I agree with \*\*zuma \*\* on one point only. I’d like to see this come to a head fairly soon. Other than that, \*\*zuma \*\* is now very high on my suspect list. It looks as if it’s going to come down to a lynch of either \*\*Queuing \*\* or **Pleonast**. I submit that one get lynched and the other get killed tonight by **Blaster Master**. (If of course, he can really do that). One town and one scum, hopefully. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1231 "2007-04-03T14:53:08Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] Point taken, Queuing. I know I’m town, and if BM is vig he knows or suspects it as well. But yeah, it should be a town concensus. In any event, we need to put someone over the edge and get BM to announce his choice. [/QUOTE] I agree. Someone should be at 10. In the 12 hours, the town has another vote. This one on who from your side gets killed. In this your side doesn’t get a vote (that would be BM, Zuma and Pleonast). This is whom BM kills. I would love to still have a vote in the 12 hours (but not sure if I would) however it is now firmly aimed at YOU. Unvote Pleonast Lynch Zuma ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1232 "2007-04-03T14:54:07Z")
[QUOTE=pimaspinner] I agree with \*\*zuma \*\* on one point only. I’d like to see this come to a head fairly soon. Other than that, \*\*zuma \*\* is now very high on my suspect list. It looks as if it’s going to come down to a lynch of either \*\*Queuing \*\* or **Pleonast**. I submit that one get lynched and the other get killed tonight by **Blaster Master**. (If of course, he can really do that). One town and one scum, hopefully. [/QUOTE] Yes, it is now critical that someone gets 10 votes. BM then needs to give us his choice, and all involved need to offer up their defenses. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1233 "2007-04-03T14:56:51Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] I agree. Someone should be at 10. In the 12 hours, the town has another vote. This one on who from your side gets killed. In this your side doesn’t get a vote (that would be BM, Zuma and Pleonast). This is whom BM kills. I would love to still have a vote in the 12 hours (but not sure if I would) however it is now firmly aimed at YOU. Unvote Pleonast Lynch Zuma [/QUOTE] Of course, this is a bandwagon I will gladly ride as well. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1234 "2007-04-03T14:57:12Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] Yes, it is now critical that someone gets 10 votes. BM then needs to give us his choice, and all involved need to offer up their defenses. [/QUOTE] Again, you are allowing BM his choice. BM is a tool, nothing more. He does not get a choice, or a voice really. All BM is now is a mad killing machine aimed at whomever the town decides. **Gadarene** I urge you to change your vote, put me at 10. Same with you **Pimaspinner**. Let us begin the 2nd decision on whom to kill. Order BM to kill Zuma. Zuma seems quite confident that BM trusts him. I ask why? Is there something there? Are there 2 scum here? Or do we have the SK and Vig here?. Let us find out. Pleonast can always be strung up tomorrow, once I am proven to be town. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1235 "2007-04-03T14:57:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, it is now critical that someone gets 10 votes. BM then needs to give us his choice, and all involved need to offer up their defenses. I’ll reiterate **Queuing’s** question, **zuma**. (I notice you appeared to agree with him, but then dodged it entirely.) Why does **Blaster Master** get a “choice” in this matter? Why aren’t you saying, “We need to get someone to 10 votes and then tell **Blaster Master** who to target”? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1236 "2007-04-03T14:59:14Z")
**Queuing:** > [@](#): > > Gadarene I urge you to change your vote, put me at 10. Same with you Pimaspinner. I want **zuma’s** talk about **Blaster Master’s** “choice” cleared up first. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1237 "2007-04-03T14:59:45Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] Again, you are allowing BM his choice. BM is a tool, nothing more. He does not get a choice, or a voice really. All BM is now is a mad killing machine aimed at whomever the town decides. **Gadarene** I urge you to change your vote, put me at 10. Same with you **Pimaspinner**. Let us begin the 2nd decision on whom to kill. Order BM to kill Zuma. Zuma seems quite confident that BM trusts him. I ask why? Is there something there? Are there 2 scum here? Or do we have the SK and Vig here?. Let us find out. Pleonast can always be strung up tomorrow, once I am proven to be town. [/QUOTE] OK, I am going to agree with you here that we need to put you over 10. Let’s get it to the second decision. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1238 "2007-04-03T15:01:44Z")
Blaster Master should announce a town-approved choice soon after someone gets 10 votes. At this point SOMEONE needs get get 10 votes and I’ll reiterate that Queuing needs the votes so we can move on the the Master Blaster vote choice. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1239 "2007-04-03T15:02:21Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] **Queuing:** I want **zuma’s** talk about **Blaster Master’s** “choice” cleared up first. [/QUOTE] Fair enough, as I would like to hear it as well. May I make a further suggestion? We vote in Dark Orangefor the first BM killing. This can just be a one time thing, and I propose **Rysto** as the leader of this, the tiebreaker if you will. Assassinate Zuma ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1240 "2007-04-03T15:04:07Z")
Let’s just get you to 10 votes and then we can talk about who Blaster Master should look at. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=63)