# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1301 "2007-04-03T16:40:25Z")
Sorry to disrupt the game by calling for \*\*Zuma \*\* to PM me, but things were getting heated and he was the only person I PM’d that didn’t get back to me. Don’t get too serious guys, it’s just a game. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1302 "2007-04-03T16:41:48Z")
Awww, now I am disappointed that I didn’t get PM’d :(. Guess I need more anger… GRRRRRR Now do I get a PM? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1303 "2007-04-03T16:42:10Z")
**Queuing:** > [@](#): > > Therefore there are only 2 options of what happens today and tonight. I die today. And Zuma or Gadarene dies tonight, depending on what NAF reveals. All other plans make no sense, and are just attempts to confuse and muddy the waters. Agreed. And it seems kind of odd, **NAF** , that you’d be PMing selected players in the middle of a heated debate (you didn’t PM me, for instance), but I won’t worry too much about it. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1304 "2007-04-03T16:43:38Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] **Queuing:** Agreed. And it seems kind of odd, **NAF** , that you’d be PMing selected players in the middle of a heated debate (you didn’t PM me, for instance), but I won’t worry too much about it. [/QUOTE] Don’t worry about it. I am just trying to keep the mods off our backs. Some things were said that _I_ thought were a bit too personal. I spoke to the people all is good. If I didn’t PM you worry not. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1305 "2007-04-03T16:50:52Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] Did you even read your own post? You are calling for people on the same side of the debate to be killed. All because you “don’t think Zuma is scum”. Well frankly, sir, it no longer matters what any of us think IMO. There are only 2 options. They do not require thinking, they require common sense. [/QUOTE] Yep, scum asking for less thinking and trying to set up an “automatic” kill. So the Mafia will get us to kill one of our and get their own kill. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1306 "2007-04-03T16:53:23Z")
**Pleonast:** > [@](#): > > Yep, scum asking for less thinking and trying to set up an “automatic” kill. So the Mafia will get us to kill one of our and get their own kill. Huh? 😕 As has been pointed out, a 1:1 trade benefits the Town…particularly if the scum who is killed is “high-value” and can lead to a scum network. Your logic is specious. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1307 "2007-04-03T16:56:34Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] Yep, scum asking for less thinking and trying to set up an “automatic” kill. So the Mafia will get us to kill one of our and get their own kill. [/QUOTE] And here comes a pat answer with no discussion or thought behind it. Just a snip of a quote. Honestly, the tactics used by the other side are rather juvenile and frankly dumb. We (I hope you don’t mind me saying “We” Gadarene) have put our money where our mouth is. Yet all your side does is fake role claims (transparent attempts at getting the real claims to come out), attempting to allow a tool a say in its use, and crap posts that say nothing but throw out other names. And it isn’t even “automatic”. Definition: Acting or operating in a manner essentially independent of external influence or control. The external influence is my death, and what it reveal. My death will be well worth it to see you 4 follow closely. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1308 "2007-04-03T16:59:34Z")
So, here’s a frightening thought. What if **BM** is the GF and **Queuing** is a lacky mafia? **Queuing** sacrifices himself and the GF lives on. If we keep picking townies for \*\* Blaster Master\*\* to kill, he can keep playing himself off as the Vig since a mafia hit looks no different than a vig hit to us townies. I’m just saying that even if \*\* Blaster Master\*\* appears to kill who we tell him, that doesn’t prove that he’s the Vig. I just can’t understand why **Queuing** is so eager to get the noose. Of course, if **Queuing** does show up as town, my fears are unfounded. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1309 "2007-04-03T17:00:36Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] And here comes a pat answer with no discussion or thought behind it. Just a snip of a quote. Honestly, the tactics used by the other side are rather juvenile and frankly dumb. We (I hope you don’t mind me saying “We” Gadarene) have put our money where our mouth is. Yet all your side does is fake role claims (transparent attempts at getting the real claims to come out), attempting to allow a tool a say in its use, and crap posts that say nothing but throw out other names. And it isn’t even “automatic”. Definition: Acting or operating in a manner essentially independent of external influence or control. The external influence is my death, and what it reveal. My death will be well worth it to see you 4 follow closely. [/QUOTE] Fake role claims? I’m still waiting for someone to call out Pleonast’s fake role claim, and then I’ll be on your side and string his ass up. Until then, I am waiting for BM to give us his choice (“choice” seems like such a dirty word around here). ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1310 "2007-04-03T17:04:27Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] Fake role claims? I’m still waiting for someone to call out Pleonast’s fake role claim, and then I’ll be on your side and string his ass up. Until then, I am waiting for BM to give us his choice (“choice” seems like such a dirty word around here). [/QUOTE] For once, answer a question directed at you. Why the hell are you waiting for what BM has to say? Answer scum. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1311 "2007-04-03T17:06:18Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] For once, answer a question directed at you. Why the hell are you waiting for what BM has to say? Answer scum. [/QUOTE] I’m waiting because BM will tell us who his town-approved target is, and if the town-approved target does not die, BM dies. This is the test of his claim.. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1312 "2007-04-03T17:08:24Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] I’m waiting because BM will tell us who his town-approved target is, and if the town-approved target does not die, BM dies. This is the test of his claim.. [/QUOTE] Does anyone else feel, at this point, like there should be a guy with a funny hat and a talking rabbit and a bunch of tea cups around while we have this conversation? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1313 "2007-04-03T17:13:22Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Does anyone else feel, at this point, like there should be a guy with a funny hat and a talking rabbit and a bunch of tea cups around while we have this conversation? [/QUOTE] Why? Is today your unbirthday, too? ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1314 "2007-04-03T17:14:45Z")
Hi all. So the countdown clock is running and it doesn’t look like it’s going to get reset. Vote queuing. Before I vote in orange I just want to make sure that \*\*Blaster Master’s \*\* (I can’t bring myself to use his initials) night actions are completely determined beforehand with absolutely no wiggle room. It sounds like the scenario of two conditional night targets for the alleged vig would work, and I’m happy with that. Lets just make sure that it’s very clear before nightfall whom we expect \*\*Blaster Master \*\* to go after. So as to get the alea iacta’ed If \*\*Q \*\* scum, assassinate Gadarene. If **Q** ~scum, assassinate Zuma. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1315 "2007-04-03T17:15:54Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] From what I can tell, this is how the BM killing votes are going: If I am scum, its Gadarene If I am town, its Zuma. BM does not get a choice. If this does not happen, he dies tomorrow, quickly. [/QUOTE] Before I go to work, I will chime in and agree with this. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1316 "2007-04-03T17:19:44Z")
Kill, kill, kill! Less talk, more mayhem. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1317 "2007-04-03T17:20:56Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] I’m waiting because BM will tell us who his town-approved target is, and if the town-approved target does not die, BM dies. This is the test of his claim.. [/QUOTE] NO. WE will tell **BM** who the town-approved target is. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1318 "2007-04-03T17:24:37Z")
**Zuma** you make no sense, 0, nilch, zada. I am glad I am not the only one who does not understand you. You SCUM! (does that get me a PM?) ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1319 "2007-04-03T17:26:22Z")
[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger] NO. WE will tell **BM** who the town-approved target is. [/QUOTE] And who are we telling him to target? Give him a name. ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1320 "2007-04-03T17:27:48Z")
[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger] NO. WE will tell **BM** who the town-approved target is. [/QUOTE] Amen! “There is only one Lord of the Vi[sub]n[/sub]g, and He does not share power!” Aside from the pronoun being wrong in person and number it’s a pretty good quote, neh? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=67)