# Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565 "2007-03-26T16:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1361 "2007-04-03T18:33:16Z")
[QUOTE=pimaspinner] ummmmmmmmmmm, zuma? [/QUOTE] If BM targets me fine, I’ll defend myself. I just want a name from him. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingCowOfDoom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyingcowofdoom/32/21776_2.png) [@FlyingCowOfDoom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingCowOfDoom)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1362 "2007-04-03T18:35:21Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] BM must give his name before he knows Q’s role. We can suss it all out tomorrow, but BM is going into the night and giving a name not knowing what Q’s role is. [/QUOTE] No, he must give two names. Obviously he doesn’tknow Q’s role NOW. He will know it once Q is dead along with the rest of us. That’s why we’re giving him two names. When the “day” ends, NAF will post the lynching victim (Q) and Q’s role. Then he will ask the “night” players to send their choices. BM will see what Q’s role is before having to make his choice. That’s why we give him TWO NAMES. –FCOD ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1363 "2007-04-03T18:36:04Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] I’m not comfortable targetting **Zuma** , because I’m quite sure he’s town. I’m also worried about the scenario that \*\*Queuing \*\* knows he’s done, so he and **Gadarene** pretend to agree, knowing that both are scum, and knowing I’ll target **Gadarene** tonight. But what if **Gadarene** is the GF? Then this seemingly discredits me, and I get lynched tomorrow. This is why, at this point, I would prefer to lynch Gadarene and put the conditionals on **Queuing** and **Zuma**. However, it looks like the following plan is the concensus: Lynch **Queuing** , if he is town, I target **Zuma** , otherwise target **Gadarene**. However, before this day ends, I want to also figure out this angle: If my target fails to die, that means either I’m the SK and chose not to kill, I’m mafia and the target is mafia, or I’m the VIG and the target is the GF. In the second case, I think the solution is lynch the guy that I failed to kill, if he comes up mafia, lynch me the next day. In the third case, lynch him, if he comes up GF, I’m pretty much cleared as definitely the VIG. In the first case, I would be an SK basically conceding defeat, in which case we either lynch my target the next day, and then use that information to determine whether or not I was the SK, and then lynch me the next day. As far as I can tell, it looks like if my target tonight fails, we’d gain more information by lynching him tomorrow, and if he doesn’t exonerate me, lynch me the day after. I’m pointing that out now, because I don’t want it to look like post hoc reasoning. [/QUOTE] Blaster, I don’t think there are conditionals. You have to submit a name before Q’s status is revealed. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1364 "2007-04-03T18:37:22Z")
[QUOTE=FlyingCowOfDoom] No, he must give two names. Obviously he doesn’tknow Q’s role NOW. He will know it once Q is dead along with the rest of us. That’s why we’re giving him two names. When the “day” ends, NAF will post the lynching victim (Q) and Q’s role. Then he will ask the “night” players to send their choices. BM will see what Q’s role is before having to make his choice. That’s why we give him TWO NAMES. –FCOD [/QUOTE] ack. you’re right. sorry for not getting this aspect ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1365 "2007-04-03T18:37:22Z")
No, I do not. When we lynch **Queuing** , NAF will tell all of us what his role is. I don’t have to submit my night choice until AFTER we discover this information. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingCowOfDoom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyingcowofdoom/32/21776_2.png) [@FlyingCowOfDoom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingCowOfDoom)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1366 "2007-04-03T18:37:24Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] Blaster, I don’t think there are conditionals. You have to submit a name before Q’s status is revealed. [/QUOTE] NO HE DOESN’T. NAF WILL TELL US WHAT Q’S ROLE IS BEFORE BM HAS TO PICK A VICTIM. –FCOD ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1367 "2007-04-03T18:38:21Z")
You are wrong there are conditionals. **Blaster Master** is entirely correct in his big green bolding. You know I almost suggested Green as the colour in which your orders should be made, but I didn’t think it stood out enough. Which is why I suggested dark orange. However that green looks nice. Zuma, you are dead tonight. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1368 "2007-04-03T18:38:48Z")
[QUOTE=FlyingCowOfDoom] NO HE DOESN’T. NAF WILL TELL US WHAT Q’S ROLE IS BEFORE BM HAS TO PICK A VICTIM. –FCOD [/QUOTE] \*\*FCoD \*\* is right **Zuma**. I announce the role of the victim then ask for night votes. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1369 "2007-04-03T18:39:37Z")
So we know have the confirmation from Blaster Master, can I just die now? ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1370 "2007-04-03T18:39:40Z")
Also, I think **Zuma** ’s been “acting strangely” because of that misunderstanding that I have to submit my choice before we find out what **Queuing** is. My understanding was, what he meant by “choice” was just me confirming “Yes, I will kill XXXX”. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingCowOfDoom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyingcowofdoom/32/21776_2.png) [@FlyingCowOfDoom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingCowOfDoom)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1371 "2007-04-03T18:40:16Z")
I think we should discuss Blaster Master’s point. What do we do if there are only two kills tonight, and neither of them are **zuma** or **Gadarene**? I, for one, plan on crying. –FCOD ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1372 "2007-04-03T18:41:14Z")
OK. If I’m now a target for the BM vig kill, I’ll say this. I really hope this is the right thing to do, but with the cop dead and Pleonast claiming mason, I am a mason. Pleonast will confirm this. BM, take me off your kill list. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingCowOfDoom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyingcowofdoom/32/21776_2.png) [@FlyingCowOfDoom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingCowOfDoom)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1373 "2007-04-03T18:43:31Z")
> [@zuma](#): > > OK. If I’m now a target for the BM vig kill, I’ll say this. I really hope this is the right thing to do, but with the cop dead and Pleonast claiming mason, I am a mason. Pleonast will confirm this. BM, take me off your kill list. OMGWTF!!! I need to go outside and clear my thoughts. Pleonast, it’d be really good to hear from you about now. –FCOD ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1374 "2007-04-03T18:44:37Z")
**Pleonast:** I’m inclined to believe your role-claim because I was sure you were in cahoots with some group, and was leaning towards mason, but thought you still could have been scum, and two, no one has counter-claimed. And a false mason counterclaim is almost certain suicide. Now, I’m unsure if this is a good question (maybe\*\* JSexton\*\* or someone else with more experience can let us know), but I think it might be helpful if you can at least give us a number for the masons, since I have a distinct belief you probably won’t make it through the night. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1375 "2007-04-03T18:46:21Z")
Okay, scratch my last post. \*\* Pleonast\*\*, please confirm **Zuma** , and other mason, if either of them is not a mason, your sacrifice will mean TWO scum at your life, a worthy trade. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1376 "2007-04-03T18:47:09Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] OK. If I’m now a target for the BM vig kill, I’ll say this. I really hope this is the right thing to do, but with the cop dead and Pleonast claiming mason, I am a mason. Pleonast will confirm this. BM, take me off your kill list. [/QUOTE] **zuma** is a Mason. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1377 "2007-04-03T18:47:26Z")
**Can someone PLEASE unvote Queuing!?** ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1378 "2007-04-03T18:48:45Z")
I have no reason to not beleive that **Pleonast** is a Mason since it’s been long enough since his claim that he should have been counterclaimed by now. What I don’t understand is why he didn’t offer the information before **Zuma** role claimed. It would have been more credible. Until we hear from **Pleonast** , I say go ahead as planned. If **Zuma** is indeed a mason - well, we’re all fucked. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1379 "2007-04-03T18:49:01Z")
Okay, let’s run on the assumption there is no mason counterclaim. Who is the alternate target now? ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565/1380 "2007-04-03T18:49:04Z")
Once Pleonast confirms me, I think we can move on to getting JSexton killed off, maybe? I’m fine with Gadarene, and all… but still [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game-part-2-this-time-with-mafia/397565.md?page=70)