# Werewolf - a game. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 5, 2007, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997 "2007-02-05T23:04:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/481 "2007-02-23T14:18:24Z")
[QUOTE=One And Only Wanderers] yes and no. There are 2 other Masons. If i false claim Mason they can jump all over me, but that would involve outing themselves. These situations are always tricky. [/QUOTE] All right. I’m voting with you, then. Unvote **One and Only Wanderers**. I vote for **Miller.** ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/482 "2007-02-23T14:22:44Z")
[QUOTE=Winston Smith] All right. I’m voting with you, then. Unvote **One and Only Wanderers**. I vote for **Miller.** [/QUOTE] OK, but the only basis for my vote on Miller was that he was the only other person with close to as many votes as me. I need to have a reread very soon to see If i can find a better vote. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/483 "2007-02-23T14:28:11Z")
Two assumptions: A mason would be willing to out himself/herself in order to lynch a werewolf. Only a werewolf would lie about being a mason. I can’t think of any reason for either of those assumptions to be wrong. So I will unvote One and Only Wanderers. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/484 "2007-02-23T14:58:22Z")
[QUOTE=JSexton] unvote. Masons are unlynchable. We know that they exist, and we know that the real masons would sink him if he was lying. [/QUOTE] First, just for the record, are we to assume you mean to unvote **One And Only Wanderers**? You left out the name. Second, what exactly do you mean by “Masons are unlynchable”? I don’t recall seeing that in the rules anywhere. Are you suggesting that it is (a rule), or are you just saying that as a matter of practice, its something that can’t be done because of the detrimental effect on the town? There’s a question that I have been meaning to ask for a while now, just out of curiosity, regarding the Guardian Angel. Can the Guardian Angel choose to protect him or herself, or does the power only extend to helping others? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/485 "2007-02-23T15:18:40Z")
[QUOTE=Suburban Plankton] There’s a question that I have been meaning to ask for a while now, just out of curiosity, regarding the Guardian Angel. Can the Guardian Angel choose to protect him or herself, or does the power only extend to helping others? [/QUOTE] He or she may choose to protect themselves, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/486 "2007-02-23T16:18:22Z")
Just wanted to delurk for a moment to say _this is great reality tv!_ I’m cheering for the Wolves, cause I like bloody ends. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/487 "2007-02-23T16:33:28Z")
[QUOTE=Suburban Plankton] Second, what exactly do you mean by “Masons are unlynchable”? I don’t recall seeing that in the rules anywhere. Are you suggesting that it is (a rule), or are you just saying that as a matter of practice, its something that can’t be done because of the detrimental effect on the town? [/quote] AFAIK, Masons are not unlynchable. I think, though I could be wrong, that they have no powers other than knowing who the other Masons are. However, if you knew for sure that someone was a Mason, then you would know also that he is definitely not a Werewolf, so why lynch him? Of course, **One and Only Wanderers** could be claiming to be a Mason to save his neck from the noose, but I’m not willing to assert that. As for the GA, he could protect himself every night, but it might be more prudent for his team to protect the person who it seems likely that the Werewolves would eat, right? Because then the Werewolves will have wasted their attack that night, and they don’t get to pick someone else. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/488 "2007-02-23T16:34:27Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] He or she may choose to protect themselves, yes. [/QUOTE] Which means, (to extrapolate,) that he or she could be permanently safe from werewolves during the night by making that play. However, he or she could get lynched during the day, especially if the wolves gain a majority so that they can forget about hiding and control the voting anyway. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/489 "2007-02-23T16:58:33Z")
Ok, here’s how I am reading things at the moment… **Wanderers** has made two potentially pivotal (alleged) claims. a) That he is a Mason, and b) that there are two other Masons. Either or both of these statements could be true, one of them could be a lie, or both of them could be fabricated, fluffy, fictitious, flea-bitten fibs. Three Masons _seems_ to be a reasonable number considering the original number of players. But a reasonable number could also be used as part of a relatively feasible lie. He could lie about the number of Masons even if he is an actual Mason, to try and keep the wolves guessing. I would hope that if he were a Mason, he sure as hell better be lying about how many of them there are. To divulge the actual number so early in the game, even if it is in an attempt to keep the town from lynching him and losing one of their Masons, seems like bad move, imho. Hmmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/490 "2007-02-23T17:24:46Z")
[QUOTE=chrisk] Which means, (to extrapolate,) that he or she could be permanently safe from werewolves during the night by making that play. However, he or she could get lynched during the day, especially if the wolves gain a majority so that they can forget about hiding and control the voting anyway. [/QUOTE] Exactly. If the amount of werewolves were to equal the amount of townspeople-sided people, it’s a win for the werewolves. Because at that point the wolves can just announce themselves and take control of the lynching as well as the night killings. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/491 "2007-02-23T17:45:44Z")
No, I don’t mean there’s a game rule about lynching Masons. I mean that there’s no sensible reason to do so. If he’s telling the truth, he’s on our side. If he’s lying, at least two other people in the town know it, and it only takes one of them saying “Hey, he’s not a Mason, I am, and he’s not in our group.” to lynch him. So, assuming that doesn’t happen, he’s confirmed to be town. And there’s no problem with him revealing the number of Masons. The main purpose of the role is to have confirmed town, so it’s going to come out sooner or later anyway. And it’s better to know the number early, so we don’t wind up in a situation with two dead Masons, and then another person pipes up and claims to be the third. For all we know, there were only two, and the alleged third is scum. Avoiding that is a good idea. Time for some re-reading, since I was way off in my analysis of Wanderer, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/492 "2007-02-23T18:04:49Z")
OK, guys, I am leaving town until Sunday night for my dad’s birthday and will be off-line over the weekend, unless somehow I can scam a look at someone’s computer (which would solely be motivated by wanting to see what happens in this game!). I am leaving with my vote being for Miller, and I won’t change it unless, when I come back, we haven’t lynched anyone yet and new info comes to light that makes me reconsider. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/493 "2007-02-23T18:18:06Z")
[QUOTE=One And Only Wanderers] OK - role claim. I’m pro-town, and I’m a Mason. This means I have slightly more information than a vanilla townie, as I know for sure who 2 other innocent parties are. Lynch me in haste and regret it at your leasure [/QUOTE] Well, crap. Looks like I’m hosed, then. I’m (literally) putting my head in the noose, but since no one else has come forward to call you a liar on the Mason thing, it looks like you’re legit, and I’m not voting to hang an innocent man. Unvote **One and Only**. No idea where I’m putting my vote now, though. How much time until it’s night again? ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/494 "2007-02-23T18:18:34Z")
Hmm, I think if **Wanderers** were lying about being a mason, he would have been called out on it by now. So, unvote **Wanderers**. Now what do we do? It seems to me that **Wanderers** just painted a target on his back by identifying himself as a higher value target than a regular townie (better than being lynched, I know). Since all people besides werewolves are potential werewolf food, would it be a good idea for all the masons to out themselves and verify the others? This would keep us from lynching them, would narrow the pool of would-be wolves, and might buy us some time for the seer to identify a wolf or two. I’m just thinking out loud, this might be an awful idea. What’s the vote count now? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/495 "2007-02-23T18:22:08Z")
[QUOTE=dnooman] Since all people besides werewolves are potential werewolf food, would it be a good idea for all the masons to out themselves and verify the others? This would keep us from lynching them, would narrow the pool of would-be wolves, and might buy us some time for the seer to identify a wolf or two. I’m just thinking out loud, this might be an awful idea. [/QUOTE] Better to wait until another Mason is actually at risk of getting the noose. If the other two Masons aren’t in the running right now, we’d be better off keeping their identities a secret. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/496 "2007-02-23T18:23:45Z")
Miller - 5 Votes (jsgoddess, Rubystreak, moonstarssun, One and Only Wanderers, Enginerd, Winston Smith). One and Only Wanderers - 2 Votes (MadTheSwine, unfinished symphony). moonstarssun - 1 Votes (Kat) JSexton - 3 Votes (Suburban Plankton, Captain Carrot, Ogre) Richard Parker - 1 Vote (hocow) Ogre - 1 Vote (ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies) ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/497 "2007-02-23T18:25:26Z")
Let’s not string up the Mason. I’m feeling the points made about JSexton, so unvote Enginerd, and I am throwing a vote for JSexton. :smack: Assuming it isn’t already too late. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/498 "2007-02-23T18:26:10Z")
FOS: **dnooman** and **Ogre** ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/499 "2007-02-23T18:34:51Z")
unvote Miller as i no longer need the defensive vote. I will do some reading and weigh in with a real vote this weekend. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/500 "2007-02-23T18:39:07Z")
[QUOTE=JSexton] If he’s lying, at least two other people in the town know it, and it only takes one of them saying “Hey, he’s not a Mason, I am, and he’s not in our group.” to lynch him. So, assuming that doesn’t happen, he’s confirmed to be town. [/QUOTE] Why would you believe that person? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997.md?page=26)