# Werewolf - a game. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 5, 2007, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997 "2007-02-05T23:04:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1001 "2007-03-09T17:00:26Z")
I believe it was **Captain Carrot** ’s vote that put \*\*Menocchio \*\*in the lead on the first day. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1002 "2007-03-09T17:36:20Z")
_sigh_ Here’s hoping hocow’s heaven harbors handsome pimps and high-quality milking machines. We townies are dropping like flies, and there can’t be many of the flea-bitten scourge left. We must rally and plot and rally some more. We still have our Masons, our Seer and our GA, which is good. Speaking of the GA… Remind me of the process for a GA block? We go to night, the wolves happen to go after the guarded townie, RT announces that the townie was miraculously saved, and we move on to day? Is that right? And I am still curious as to the consensus (or lack thereof) vibe on the whole OaOWanderers Mason thing… ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1003 "2007-03-09T17:36:27Z")
Yep, you’re right. I think that line of reasoning is a dead end. Which means that **Rubystreak** and the werewolves (sounds like a band!) just wanted **Miller** dead. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1004 "2007-03-09T17:38:14Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] And I am still curious as to the consensus (or lack thereof) vibe on the whole OaOWanderers Mason thing… [/QUOTE] If he’s not a Mason, the real Masons should be shot. ---
**Author:** ![unfinished\_symphony](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@unfinished\_symphony](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unfinished_symphony)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1005 "2007-03-09T18:04:37Z")
i still think Wanderers is a mason. i don’t believe there was any more to winston’s claims than just desperate self preservation _tut_. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1006 "2007-03-09T18:13:57Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] And I am still curious as to the consensus (or lack thereof) vibe on the whole OaOWanderers Mason thing… [/QUOTE] what you want the other masons to out themselves for no good reason? that is suspicious in and of itself. Anyway, I am flying out to Finland on Sunday evening and won’t be back till wednesday (I may get some opportunity to post whilst away but can’t guarantee) So before I go I will do some analysis and make a post as to who I think should be lynched. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1007 "2007-03-09T18:53:27Z")
[QUOTE=One And Only Wanderers] what you want the other masons to out themselves for no good reason? that is suspicious in and of itself. [/QUOTE] I said nothing of the sort, and I’ve posted previously that I feel it is important to keep the identities and numbers of the Masons on the dl for as long as possible. There are other townsfolk playing this game besides the Masons. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1008 "2007-03-09T20:06:41Z")
I’ve been trying to figure out what the hell Winston was thinking. Maybe he was just desperately looking for a way out of the noose, or maybe he had something else in mind. He seemed convinced that jsgoddess and MadTheSwine are werewolves who decided he was a good target. Once all the votes started piling up against him, maybe Winston figured he couldn’t get out of it, so he hastened his demise with an obviously false claim, trying to draw attention to jsgoddess and MadTheSwine. Now, I don’t think jsgoddess is a werewolf. Like a lot of us, I think she was voting for Winston based on a history of suspicious behavior. We know _now_ that he really was just the town drunk, and not “drunk on the blood of our bretheren,” as dnooman put it. MadTheSwine, on the other hand, is looking suspicious to me. He’s been gleefully calling for Winston’s head for a while now, and one might argue that he was responsible for drumming up suspicion against Winston. However, there’s also the fact that Rubystreak, a deceased furry menace, called out MadTheSwine early on for inactivity. Was she only calling out townies, or was she smart enough to include a few of her packmates? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1009 "2007-03-09T21:59:39Z")
I am on record as being very suspicious of \*\*jsgoddess \*\*and **Richard Parker**. The only reason I changed my vote last time was because of **Winston Smith** ’s Mason claim, which I didn’t believe for a minute (and still don’t understand). The idea that a regular townsperson would claim to be a Mason never even entered my mind, so I felt certain that Winston was a werewolf, and therefore jsgoddess wasn’t. Since the first assumption proved false, I’m thinking that the second was as well. I need to go back over things one more time before I cast a vote; I had to reconsider everything when it turned out that Winston was a werewolf, so now I have to re-reconsider it all again since it turned out he wasn’t. But for now, my eye is once again firmly on **jsgoddess**. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1010 "2007-03-09T22:02:47Z")
One other thing bothers me…why **hocow**? Did I miss something, because it doesn’t seem to me like she (or is it he?) said anything particularly inflammatory. I would have expected one or two other people to go before her. Or are the werewolves simply trying to pick the people least likely to be protected by the GA, in order to whittle down our numbers? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1011 "2007-03-09T22:05:32Z")
i’m with you on the **jsgoddess** suspicion, but i haven’t reevaluated yet in light of yesterday’s events. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1012 "2007-03-09T22:16:51Z")
[QUOTE=Suburban Plankton] One other thing bothers me…why **hocow**? Did I miss something, because it doesn’t seem to me like she (or is it he?) said anything particularly inflammatory. I would have expected one or two other people to go before her. Or are the werewolves simply trying to pick the people least likely to be protected by the GA, in order to whittle down our numbers? [/QUOTE] I think that has to be it. Oh, and my take on what **Winston** was thinking: he was simply ready to get out of the game. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1013 "2007-03-09T23:03:32Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] I think that has to be it. Oh, and my take on what **Winston** was thinking: he was simply ready to get out of the game. [/QUOTE] Really? I thought he was trying to do anything he could… to stay in the game. **sturmhauke** up until now, I valued your opinion,but if you think I am wolf,you need to reread the thread. I still have my eyes on **Jgoddess** but am looking at **Richard Parker** also. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2007, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1014 "2007-03-10T00:00:48Z")
I’m not seeing this strong suspicion against jsgoddess or Richard Parker. Yeah, they’ve done some things that could look suspicious, but they’re hardly alone in that regard. You guys maybe want to point out some specific things to examine? ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2007, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1015 "2007-03-10T00:18:06Z")
**Hocow**?! That was unexpected, but I’m sure that’s by design. **Suburban Plankton** may have said it better. I’d also like an explanation as to why **Richard Parker** is being treated as suspicious. I have an odd feeling about him, from looking at my chart mostly, but that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2007, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1016 "2007-03-10T02:04:36Z")
Here’s a list of players, alive and dead, and known roles: Menocchio (Alpha Wolf, lynched Day 1) Rysto (Townsperson, eaten Night 1) moonstarssun (Townsperson, lynched Day 2) JSexton (Townsperson, eaten Night 2) Rubystreak (werewolf, lynched Day 3) Miller (Townsperson, eaten Night 3) Winston Smith (Townsperson, lynched Day 4) hocow (Townsperson, eaten Night 4) Captain Carrot ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies dnooman (replaced Kythereia) Enginerd jsgoddess Kat MadTheSwine Ogre One And Only Wanderers (probably a Mason) Richard Parker sturmhauke Suburban Plankton unfinished symphony (replaced smiling bandit) That leaves 13 players still alive - at least one werewolf (possibly two or three), three Masons (assuming that’s the correct number), the Angel, and the Seer. The Masons have at least a 1/10 chance of voting for a werewolf, assuming they don’t vote for each other and that they vote for the same person. The Seer has been able to investigate 4 people, but we don’t know how many of them are still alive. Only the Seer can calculate those odds, because without that information the odds could be anything. Overall, I’d say we’re doing fairly well. The ratio of werewolves to townies killed is 1:3. In an RL game, that would be about breaking even, or a bit in favor of the werewolves. But here, I think the number of werewolves is lower because of the greater difficulty in detecting lies. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2007, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1017 "2007-03-10T02:40:42Z")
I think I’m officially stumped. I mean, I was obviously already stumped if you look at my voting record, but now it’s gone beyond that into slack-jawed staring at the screen. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2007, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1018 "2007-03-10T02:50:45Z")
The only “suspicious” actions I have for **Richard Parker** in my notes are: -Day One, he voted for **JSexton** , who has since been proven Town (but then again, everyone has voted for a Townie at least once, and we can’t all be Wolves) -Day Two, he voted for **OAOW** , who is probably a Mason (but then again, so did many others) -Day Two, he voted for **Ogre** , who has Townie-points in my list for being a pivotal Menocchio vote (again, so did many others) -Day Three, he didn’t vote, which some may see as suspicious, and others may not Anyone who is listing him as suspicious have information that can be enumerated, or is it just feelings? Or if you’ve already posted the information, remind me of the post it’s in? I think one other reason **hocow** might have been targeted is because her defense of **Winston Smith** might have moved her onto more people’s “Town” list, and eliminating her reduces the number of people that players are “pretty sure” about. Right now, I have to admit **MadtheSwine** has moved up a bit in my suspicions, based on his persistence in going after **Winston Smith**. (Sorry, **Mad**.) I don’t know, though, whether the suspicions between himself and **Rubystreak** were real, or cleverly manufactured. At this point, I’m wondering if I should vote for one of the people that I have flagged as possible Townies, considering that I’ve been going after the ones I have flagged as possible Wolves, and being wrong. I may just be backwards or something. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2007, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1019 "2007-03-10T03:00:54Z")
Yesterday I was thinking that \*\*MadTheSwine \*\*might be the Seer, interpreting his single-minded pursuit of **Winston Smith** in that ligIht. Now that Winston has been vindicated, I’m not sure what to make of it. It seems odd that he (MTS) would be so intent of offing a particular person, unless he were a werewolf and therefore knew that Winston was a townie. But it also seems unlikely that a werewolf would spend that much time focused on a single person, since it would tend to draw suspicion. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2007, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1020 "2007-03-10T03:08:46Z")
[QUOTE=Kat] The only “suspicious” actions I have for **Richard Parker** in my notes are: -Day One, he voted for **JSexton** , who has since been proven Town (but then again, everyone has voted for a Townie at least once, and we can’t all be Wolves) -Day Two, he voted for **OAOW** , who is probably a Mason (but then again, so did many others) -Day Two, he voted for **Ogre** , who has Townie-points in my list for being a pivotal Menocchio vote (again, so did many others) -Day Three, he didn’t vote, which some may see as suspicious, and others may not Anyone who is listing him as suspicious have information that can be enumerated, or is it just feelings? Or if you’ve already posted the information, remind me of the post it’s in? [/QUOTE] I posted [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8329612&postcount=919) a couple days ago (real world time), not too long before \*\*Winston \*\*decided to hang himself. My feelings on the matter have not changed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997.md?page=52)