# Werewolf - a game.

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [February 5, 2007, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997 "2007-02-05T23:04:58Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1181 "2007-03-15T01:34:31Z")

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[QUOTE=Captain Carrot]  
Wait, is that directed at me or MTS?  
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Ooh, feeling a leetle fuzzy, are ya? 😃

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**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1182 "2007-03-15T01:36:56Z")

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Well, I haven’t shaved in a couple of days, so…Wait! No, I’m not feeling fuzzy! Quite smooth, in fact!

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**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1183 "2007-03-15T01:39:26Z")

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Seeing as how the five vote rule is still in effect, and since it doesn’t appear there will be much change of mind this day, we’re going into countdown. Day ends tomorrow at 6:00pm - you’ve got about 16 hours to vote, plan, and board up your windows.

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**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1184 "2007-03-15T01:46:14Z")

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[QUOTE=Richard Parker]  
Should we discuss the plan for tomorrow or do we risk the remaining wolf (wolves) picking off the swing voters?  
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No rules against planning ahead, right?

Well, other than **Mad** , I only have 3 people still on my suspect list, **unfinished symphony** , **Captain Carrot** and **dnooman**. I’ve already posted my lists for **us** and **CC**. I may or may not have time to make one up for **dnooman** tonight. “Today” should still carry over for at least another day, though, so I can put one up before “Nightfall”, if people think it’d help. ETA: Or not… I’ll get to work.

My food for thought for today: Right after **dnooman** posted: “I think if he were the GA, he would have claimed by now. So, I’m fairly comfortable with a vote for MadTheSwine”, **Mad** did the role claim. Coincidence, stolen idea, or a pre-arranged cue?

I personally hope **sturmhauke** didn’t investigate **Mad** , since it’s obvious now that his role claim was a lie (hindsight…). I’d rather be able to either confirm or deny one of the three listed above.

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**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1185 "2007-03-15T01:51:40Z")

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Ok…ok… funs over. All jokes aside,ya’ll need to put down your pitchforks.I am not the GA as you can see. The reason I claimed GA was because you guys were gettin ready to lynch me and since I was sure I wasn’t a wolf and knew that a vanilla townie role claim is pretty much worthless I decided to claim GA,and hope **Cookies** was a wolf.What I didn’t expect was for the real GA to come out and foolishly blow his cover,would have been much wiser not to say anything, especially since he missed the voting day and made his declaration during the night were it was absolutely no use to anyone except the wolves.So you can unvote me now.\*\*sturmhauke \*\* will be along shortly to back me up on this.

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**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1186 "2007-03-15T01:54:19Z")

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You know, we should at least stop and consider the fact that **MadTheSwine** , like our beloved **Winston Smith** before him, is in actuality a mere townsperson who made an unfortunate misstatement, and not a mangy werewolf at all.  
OK, that was long enough.  
Vote MadTheSwine.

And since it seems likely that we’re going to lose our Seer tonight, (assuming **sturmhauke** ’s not a big, fat, lying, werewolf bastard too), this might be a good time for us all to make public our lists of suspects. I need to review my notes one more time, and I’ll be back with mine in a bit.

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**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1187 "2007-03-15T01:56:35Z")

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[QUOTE=Suburban Plankton]  
And since it seems likely that we’re going to lose our Seer tonight, (assuming **sturmhauke** ’s not a big, fat, lying, werewolf bastard too), this might be a good time for us all to make public our lists of suspects. I need to review my notes one more time, and I’ll be back with mine in a bit.  
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I would really like to hear from **sturmhauke** before anyone goes too public with anything we don’t know yet.

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**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1188 "2007-03-15T01:58:51Z")

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[QUOTE=jsgoddess]  
No dissent from me. Vote **MadTheSwine**.

I will also guess that **dnooman** is a werewolf. When **sturmhauke** claimed Seer, **dnooman** tried very hard to shake another Seer loose. When **MadTheSwine** claimed Angel, **dnooman** tried very hard to stifle debate.

I hope it wasn’t his post-lynch comment that doomed **Ogre**.

And I hope that **sturmhauke** investigated someone who happens to be a wolf.  
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What?! _You_ were asking for the Seer _and_ GA to reveal themselves. I was telling them to keep quiet so that they had a reduced chance of being killed. I questioned **sturmhauke’s** claim as well as **MadTheSwine’s** , why would I not question a claim after what **Winston** pulled?

I vote for **MadTheSwine**.

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**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1189 "2007-03-15T02:00:02Z")

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[QUOTE=jsgoddess]  
I would really like to hear from **sturmhauke** before anyone goes too public with anything we don’t know yet.  
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Are you sure you don’t want to call them out again?

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**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1190 "2007-03-15T02:03:38Z")

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[QUOTE=dnooman]  
What?! _You_ were asking for the Seer _and_ GA to reveal themselves.  
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No. I did not.

Though if **Ogre** had been around, as it turns out, his outing himself would have had a benefit for the town, since then we would have had a shot to lynch the wolf and he would have known his own danger.

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**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1191 "2007-03-15T02:04:31Z")

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[QUOTE=jsgoddess]  
I would really like to hear from **sturmhauke** before anyone goes too public with anything we don’t know yet.  
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So would I. C’mon folks calm down,calm down.If **sturmy** doesn’t show up in time another townie is gonna swing…ME!!.Let’s not be hasty here.

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**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1192 "2007-03-15T02:13:02Z")

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**Mad** , you are not helping your case. Proclaiming that you are town without a) providing evidence for it or b) making a convincing argument that someone else howls at the moon merely makes you look as if you have no leg to stand on. We know that, of course, but building up that image is simply not wise.

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**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1193 "2007-03-15T02:23:53Z")

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[QUOTE=jsgoddess]  
No. I did not.

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[QUOTE=jsgoddess]  
If someone is going to counterclaim, they need to do it NOW.  
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The wolves made a lucky guess. There would have been no guessing if the GA counterclaimed, except for guessing which of the two would be protected. I’m pretty sure that **Ogre** knew he was in danger, possibly because he’s been the number one target for the wolves since day one. We still get to kill **MadTheSwine** and we still outnumber the wolves by quite a bit. I see no reason why the GA should have counterclaimed, no sense in handing our two best players to the wolves. You’ll notice that I was not alone in thinking that the GA should stay hidden.

You have been involved in the lynching of every townsperson to date (in all fairness so has **Kat** ). You also didn’t vote for either of the wolves we have killed so far. Following your advice seems to be decidedly anti-town.

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**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1194 "2007-03-15T02:35:13Z")

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[QUOTE=dnooman]  
You have been involved in the lynching of every townsperson to date (in all fairness so has **Kat** ). You also didn’t vote for either of the wolves we have killed so far.  
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Yep. I make no claims about my skill at this game. They’re nonexistent.

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**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1195 "2007-03-15T02:51:05Z")

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[QUOTE=Captain Carrot]  
**Mad** , you are not helping your case. Proclaiming that you are town without a) providing evidence for it or b) making a convincing argument that someone else howls at the moon merely makes you look as if you have no leg to stand on. We know that, of course, but building up that image is simply not wise.  
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That evidence will be provided when \*\*sturmhauke \*\* shows up…til then unvote me.

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**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1196 "2007-03-15T03:02:46Z")

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[QUOTE=Captain Carrot]  
**Mad** , you are not helping your case. Proclaiming that you are town without a) providing evidence for it or b) making a convincing argument that someone else howls at the moon merely makes you look as if you have no leg to stand on. We know that, of course, but building up that image is simply not wise.  
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You mean like the this post?

> [@](#):
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> Originally Posted by Captain Carrot  
> I, for one, will make no counterclaim, because I have no special role. Just on the off chance that helps anyone.

Unvote Winston Smith…vote Captain Carrot

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**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1197 "2007-03-15T03:10:51Z")

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[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]  
That evidence will be provided when \*\*sturmhauke \*\* shows up…til then unvote me.  
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I won’t be changing my vote. If **sturmhauke** were to come and say you’re a townie, I still wouldn’t change my vote.

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**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1198 "2007-03-15T03:15:20Z")

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[QUOTE=jsgoddess]  
I won’t be changing my vote. If **sturmhauke** were to come and say you’re a townie, I still wouldn’t change my vote.  
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That certainly strengthens your declaration in post 1194.

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**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1199 "2007-03-15T03:23:10Z")

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[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]  
That certainly strengthens your declaration in post 1194.  
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Sure, it might.

But since you are either a werewolf or you deliberately caused the death of a townie, and directly or indirectly the death of the GA, your opinion doesn’t carry as much weight with me as it might.

If **sturmhauke** vouches for you, he might be a werewolf, too. It’s really hard to say, isn’t it? What we definitely can say is that you have lied at least once, and you did a fake role claim. That’s enough to hang you.

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**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-a-game/390997/1200 "2007-03-15T03:23:56Z")

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[QUOTE=dnooman]  
You have been involved in the lynching of every townsperson to date (in all fairness so has **Kat** ). You also didn’t vote for either of the wolves we have killed so far. Following your advice seems to be decidedly anti-town.  
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Hey, **Cookies** was _safe_ the last time I checked in for that vote! I had nothing to do with urging people to change votes from **MadtheSwine** to **Cookies**! (If I’d’ve been on, I would probably have nominated **unfinished symphony** over **Cookies**.)

A question for people who have played this game before: Are false role claims by Townies usual?

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