# Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692 "2009-02-13T15:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/221 "2009-02-18T02:08:09Z")
> [@Seeker of Truth & Beauty](#): > > So. We have here the most vociferous poster defending the least talkative. Obviously, they know each other… need I say more? > > I believe we’re on the right track here; I have seen the error of my ways. > > Unvote **DaphneBlack** > > Vote **november** Bleached I think you’re way off base here. Now don’t take this as a defence of Daphne, I simply don’t like the connection between her and November. The entire case for testing November is that he is the lowest poster in the thread - that’s it. If he begins posting tomorrow I will be all for changing my vote. The case against Daphne is that she is running off at the fingers and some people are getting a feeling about her - that’s it. I don’t see anyway to relate this except for them being opposites. If Daphne was scum wouldn’t it be easier to attack the plan to lynch the testee. If anything I find your attempt to build a case from nothing and you’ve moved up my list of suspicious people (so far the only one). ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/222 "2009-02-18T02:26:21Z")
What’s with “bleached”? What does that mean? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/223 "2009-02-18T02:32:44Z")
Removing the color of votes in quoted text so we don’t confuse our poor GameMaster. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/224 "2009-02-18T02:33:43Z")
Thank you (that makes sense). ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/225 "2009-02-18T02:46:16Z")
Sorry I’ve been away from the game for most of the day. Reading the posts so far, I have to agree that we should start by testing and lynching the same person. I think that will help us later on, since we’ll have multiple data points for the killed players. And who knows, maybe we’ll get lucky and our first two kills will be one wolf and one town member, and that will help clarify the results of the testerizer. > [@Seeker of Truth & Beauty](#): > > So. We have here the most vociferous poster defending the least talkative. Obviously, they know each other… need I say more? Do they? Or do _you_ know that neither of them is a wolf? Hmmm. I tihnk I’d like **Seeker of Truth & Beauty** to be tested and lynched. Can we vote and unvote and lynch and unlynch at the same time? If not, then I guess just count my votes and discount my unvotes. vote Seeker of Truth & Beauty unvote November. (in an attempt to get SoT&B in the lead) lynch Seeker of Truth & Beauty unvote to lynch November. (for the same reason) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/226 "2009-02-18T02:47:35Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Removing the color of votes in quoted text so we don’t confuse our poor GameMaster. Thanks for explaining that. I’ll make sure I do it. For the record, I’m leaning toward lynching the person we test(which is looking like November at this point). I think the data we collect from the test and lynch would prove useful. Of course, I have not yet voted for lynching. I’ll vote tomorrow or thursday. 10 a.m. Friday is the deadline, right? ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/227 "2009-02-18T02:47:48Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > [bleached] > > Really? You think my saying that I thought the votes for **november** were ‘OK’ is a defence? You’ve gotta be kidding me. > > Also, seriously, anyone who smudges me for being ‘vociferous’ - that is a big :dubious: from me. Everyone should be talkative! We should all want to hear everyone’s thoughts. It’s by talking to each other we can find scum. > > I’m on the record saying that I think lynch-the-lurker is a better scum-catching strategy after a few Days. On Day One LTL has a similar problem to no-lynch (tho less severe obviously), in that it leaves us with very little info gained from the lynch. Except, in this case, we have the testerizer results. The simple fact is in Day one we have nothing concrete to base the veracity of anyone’s posts on, just look at the conjecture going on here about if someone’s post is anti-town or not, based on “gut feel.” So posting or not, it’s all noise. Part of my reasoning for voting for the non-posting lurker is “out of game” - if you sign up for a game that requires at least a minimal level of interaction and you can’t post at least once, then you’re (most likely) a detriment to the game as a whole. This of course is a newbie POV, and I’m sure one of the experienced peeps will come in and say that it’s a valid strategy…but screw it. I am more than willing to be convinced to change my vote. Preferably by, say, **November** … ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/228 "2009-02-18T02:59:55Z")
\*\*untest Telcontar test Seeker of Truth and Beauty vote Seeker of Truth and Beauty\*\* Your attack on me is by far the scummiest thing I’ve seen at this point. Totally baseless (I’m talking and you have a ‘feeling’?). Especially because you smudge me and then in the same post vote for somebody else. You could have voted **november** for lurking, that’s certainly a reasonable tactic (even if I don’t think it’s the best), but choose to do so by trying to draw a connection to me, based on nothing at all. Scummy! Vote for who you think is the scummiest, is the tried and tested rule. People who don’t do that are not being pro-town. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/229 "2009-02-18T03:02:00Z")
I don’t have enough to base a vote on just yet. Having said that, my votes for now will be **test November** and **lynch November**. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/230 "2009-02-18T03:04:59Z")
…was it something I said? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/231 "2009-02-18T03:07:19Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Elendil, I don’t like that one bit–I guess you are probably voting to lynch for the testing leader while voting to test the person you find most suspicious, but it looks weird after all the discussion to be voting for someone other than your intended test target. This is the first time I’ve played this kind of game, but this noob is not persuaded by the strategery so far discussed. Thanks for your input, but my votes stand. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/232 "2009-02-18T03:08:08Z")
Vote Count! november (9): Lemur866, Freudian Slit, Oredigger77, Telecontar, Mahaloth, Jimmy Chitwood , rexnervous, Seeker of Truth and Beauty, Allwalker Telcontar (2): Zeriel, Elendil’s Heir Seeker of Truth and Beauty (2): Justin Credible, Daphne Black Lemur866 (1): fluiddruid fluiddruid (1): [Undecided] Adrian Freudian Slit (1): Scuba\_Ben november (5): Lemur866, Jimmy Chitwood, rexnervous, Elendil’s Heir, AllWalker Seeker of Truth and Beauty (2): Justin Credible, Daphne Black Lemur866 (1): fluiddruid Telcontar (1): Zeriel ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/233 "2009-02-18T03:18:09Z")
> [@Seeker of Truth & Beauty](#): > > …was it something I said? 😕 I guess it was this post? [Previous Post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10841057#post10841057) ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/234 "2009-02-18T03:18:09Z")
> [@rexnervous](#): > > I am more than willing to be convinced to change my vote. Preferably by, say, **November** … It is always a little worrisome if no one is defending the intended target (especially including the intended target). Wolves would care more. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/235 "2009-02-18T03:23:25Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > This is the first time I’ve played this kind of game, but this noob is not persuaded by the strategery so far discussed. Thanks for your input, but my votes stand. Would you elaborate on what you don’t like about the test-then-lynch plan for today? ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/236 "2009-02-18T03:25:39Z")
LOL Day 1 and the town is already falling apart. Either that or the werewolves are doing a particularly good job of creating dissension. Something to keep in mind. One of the people creating the most dissension is DaphneBlack. She is also the only experienced player doing so. And doing a great job at it. On a personal level, I totally agree with her about “being vociferous”. Hell, look at my posts in this game. It’s fun. But I get just the faintest sense of gamesmanship there… Not changing my vote…yet. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/237 "2009-02-18T03:33:35Z")
Yes, I am a bit concerned about lynching November. While it will produce valuable data either way, I tend to agree with \*\*rexnervous \*\*that if November was scum, the other wolves would defend him/her. The wolves do know who the other wolves are, right? I am currently NOT changing my vote(for the record) ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/238 "2009-02-18T03:34:37Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > test Seeker of Truth and Beauty > > vote Seeker of Truth and Beauty (bleached) And so we seem to have our first _Oh My Gosh You Suck!_ vote. Which, this early in the game with mostly rookies, I count as a null tell. (Also because in my first game, I dropped an OMGUS vote, and it didn’t go anywhere.) ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/239 "2009-02-18T03:35:30Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Yes, I am a bit concerned about lynching November. While it will produce valuable data either way, I tend to agree with \*\*rexnervous \*\*that if November was scum, the other wolves would defend him/her. > > The wolves do know who the other wolves are, right? > > I am currently NOT changing my vote(for the record) The wolves do know. It isn’t a given that wolves would defend wolves, especially given that we find out roles after lynching, but you’d still expect someone to say “let the lurker live. I think X is more suspicious.” We haven’t seen that. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/240 "2009-02-18T03:37:59Z")
> [@rexnervous](#): > > LOL > > Day 1 and the town is already falling apart. Either that or the werewolves are doing a particularly good job of creating dissension. Which is the scum’s job. Though sometimes they get help. > [@](#): > > Something to keep in mind. One of the people creating the most dissension is DaphneBlack. She is also the only experienced player doing so. And doing a great job at it. For the record, I recall that she (like me) has played once, for slight experience. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=13)