# Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692 "2009-02-13T15:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/261 "2009-02-18T14:09:51Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > No. > Alright, november hasn’t even logged in since he signed up, so I’m going to sub him out if he doesn’t show up by the end of the Day. test daphe untest november If he’s being subbed out, less reason to lynch him. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/262 "2009-02-18T14:20:48Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > As long as you have a reason, I don’t care. Poor strategy is potentially anti-town but it is not necessarily pro-scum. What’s your reasoning for your votes? Kinda hard to explain. I guess it’s based on my reading of their posts so far, and hunches. I also trust the judgment of some of the other voters, but I won’t say who because I don’t want to get them into trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/263 "2009-02-18T14:45:09Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Alright, november hasn’t even logged in since he signed up, so I’m going to sub him out if he doesn’t show up by the end of the Day. Well, in that case I’ll move my vote to who I think is most suspicious. **Vote Seeker of Truth and Beauty** I think that trying to link to unrelated people and using that to build a case against both of them is scummy. It reinforces the decision to lynch november without building any case and it smudged Daphne for no reason which can leave feelings to bias voting later on. It only Day 1 so I don’t have a strong case but its only a test at this point we can still back out on the lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/264 "2009-02-18T14:46:13Z")
Damn forgot to unvote again. Unvote november ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/265 "2009-02-18T15:05:07Z")
Must we all unvote November if he/she doesn’t show up and gets subbed? I’ve only voted them for testing at this point, but was pretty much figuring to vote for their lynching as well. What’s up? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/266 "2009-02-18T15:25:24Z")
Well, whoever replaces november hasn’t been lurking so why would you punish them for something they didn’t do. If picking november was a truly random then I guess keep it where its at but I don’t think you can give november’s blame to whoever is replacing him. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/267 "2009-02-18T15:32:14Z")
If there’s a chance that **november** will get subbed out at the end of the Day (Friday Feb 20), then I think we should not vote to testerizeify, as that would be a total waste. Therefore, Unvote **november** (Testerize) Vote **DaphneBlack** (Testerize) ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/268 "2009-02-18T15:39:04Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Don’t know if this has been answered, but when do we test someone? What time today does the testerizing happen? Has it already been decided that it’s november? The testerizing happens at 10:00 PM EST today, with the person in the lead purple-wise going up and being tested. Vote Count! november (6): Lemur866, Freudian Slit, Mahaloth, Jimmy Chitwood , rexnervous, Allwalker Seeker of Truth and Beauty (3): Justin Credible, Daphne Black, Oredigger77 Telcontar (2): Zeriel, Elendil’s Heir Daphne Black (2): Telecontar, Seeker of Truth and Beauty Lemur866 (1): fluiddruid fluiddruid (1): [Undecided] Adrian Freudian Slit (1): Scuba\_Ben november (6): Lemur866, Jimmy Chitwood, rexnervous, Elendil’s Heir, AllWalker, Ichini Sanshigo Seeker of Truth and Beauty (2): Justin Credible, Daphne Black Lemur866 (1): fluiddruid Telcontar (1): Zeriel ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/269 "2009-02-18T16:01:16Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Invalid math can be either anti-town or pro-scum, depending on whether it’s a newbie mistake or a scum playing dumb–I personally think it’s the best thing out there to go on so I’m voting **Telcontar**. Needless, perhaps, to say; because we as a town seem to have agreed on a test-the-scummiest-then-lynch strategy for the first few Days at least, I’ll be switching my vote to whomever we test. I’m really not sure what’s wrong with my math. Let me walk people through it. We currently have 18 players. Assume four mafia. I say not killing once (either today or later) makes sense. Currently we’re in column A. If we didn’t kill then we’d be in column B, starting tomorrow with one test result and one less villager. A B Day1 18 17 Day2 16 15 Day3 14 13 Day4 12 11 Day5 10 9 Day6 8 7 At least 1 mafia needs to have died Day7 6 5 At least 2 mafia need to have died Day8 4 3 At least 3 mafia need to have died So we have the same number of mistakes regardless of whether we kill today or not. My math is solid. Re: who to test. **Daphe** seems to be responding very strongly to any suggestion that she might be suspicious and acting rather…high strung about all of this (note the fairly random attack on **Seeker** and the very high post count). I think that makes her the best target for today given that **november** is being replaced. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/270 "2009-02-18T16:02:41Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Player List: > > 1. Allwalker > 2. Athena > 3. DaphneBlack > 4. Elendil’s Heir > 5. fluiddruid > 6. Freudian Slit > 7. Jimmy Chitwood > 8. Justin Credible > 9. Lemur866 > 10. Mahaloth > 11. November > 12. Oredigger77 > 13. rexnervous > 14. Scuba\_Ben > 15. Seeker of Truth & Beauty > 16. Telcontar > 17. [Undecided] Adrian > 18. Zeriel > > Subs: Blaster Master, MHaye, Hoopy Frood > > **A few rules I forgot to mention:** > > If you have a question for the mod, ask in bold and green, or by PM. > > ABSOLUTELY NO EDITING > > You may quote your role PM if you wish, but, given that they’re generic, it probably won’t be much help. In any event, NO TIMESTAMPS if you do. > > Day Ends Friday, 8:00 AM EST > The Werwolf Testerizer activates Wedensday, 8:00 PM EST So… Does the Testerizer _activate_ at 8:00 PM EST but it takes two hours to warm up? ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/271 "2009-02-18T16:09:16Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Kinda hard to explain. I guess it’s based on my reading of their posts so far, and hunches. I also trust the judgment of some of the other voters, but I won’t say who because I don’t want to get them into trouble. This is odd. Do you have any reason to believe the people you’re trusting are town? It is dangerous to trust anyone this early on. You seem very cautious about garnering suspicion, **Elendil**. Why is that? It’s not so bad, I promise you! Tell us what you are thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/272 "2009-02-18T16:11:23Z")
> [@Seeker of Truth & Beauty](#): > > So… > Does the Testerizer _activate_ at 8:00 PM EST but it takes two hours to warm up? No. Those times were all shifted two hours ahead because I couldn’t send out Role PMs on time. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/273 "2009-02-18T16:13:36Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > No. Those times were all shifted two hours ahead because I couldn’t send out Role PMs on time. Oops. Forgot about that. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/274 "2009-02-18T16:15:27Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Re: who to test. > **Daphe** seems to be responding very strongly to any suggestion that she might be suspicious and acting rather…high strung about all of this (note the fairly random attack on **Seeker** and the very high post count). I think that makes her the best target for today given that **november** is being replaced. I’m not ‘very strongly to any suggestion that she might be suspicious’, I am answering people’s vague attacks. It is not pro-town to just sit around and let people attack you for no good reason. I’m the only person who’s being attacked, really, and the reasons are _bad_. My attack on **Seeker** is _not_ random – I was very specific about what I thought was scummy in his/her behaviour. Also, **Seeker** , why did you go after **Justin\_Credible** (for saying I might be ‘hiding in plain sight’) and then basically use the same reason (except even vaguer) for going after me? That doesn’t really make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/275 "2009-02-18T16:36:53Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > I’m not ‘very strongly to any suggestion that she might be suspicious’, I am answering people’s vague attacks. It is not pro-town to just sit around and let people attack you for no good reason. I’m the only person who’s being attacked, really, and the reasons are _bad_. > > My attack on **Seeker** is _not_ random – I was very specific about what I thought was scummy in his/her behaviour. Also, **Seeker** , why did you go after **Justin\_Credible** (for saying I might be ‘hiding in plain sight’) and then basically use the same reason (except even vaguer) for going after me? That doesn’t really make sense. And it didn’t occur to you that I have no idea what I’m doing? [Everybody knows](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10828077&postcount=36) this is my first game, ever. I see that everyone is overly suspicious, here, and I understand the reasoning behind that, but damn, I’m just trying to play. Truthfully, I think it wold be helpful (for me) if I were to die now, so I could watch without being invested. Or maybe I need to stay in the game to grow a thicker skin. Anyway, **Daphne,** I’m almost positive you’re scum. Just a feeling. I’d bet money on it. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/276 "2009-02-18T16:46:58Z")
Daphne is kind of reactive, but I was that way too when people falsely (or…not falsely) accused me. It was definitely my knee jerk reaction to go after anyone who voted for me, but I don’t do that anymore. Then again, as others point out, she has played before. So, hmmm. Then again, Seeker has never played before so I shouldn’t be hard on her either. Though maybe we should just take the whole who’s a newbie and who’s exp thing out of the equation, because this could get crazy. Honestly, you’re both being defensive. So far I don’t think it means anything. I definitely think we must test someone. So far, might as well be november. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/277 "2009-02-18T16:54:21Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > \ > Then again, Seeker has never played before so I shouldn’t be hard on her either. Though maybe we should just take the whole who’s a newbie and who’s exp thing out of the equation, because this could get crazy. HIM. I’m a HIM. (Unless everyone feels bad about killing a poor, defenseless damsel; I’m okay with being female and alive rather than my correct gender and dead.) [QUOTE=Freudian Slit] Honestly, you’re both being defensive. So far I don’t think it means anything. I definitely think we must test someone. So far, might as well be november. [/QUOTE] NO! If **november** is likely to be subbed out, testing em will do NO GOOD. Honestly, don’t you people listen to me? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/278 "2009-02-18T16:56:06Z")
> [@Seeker of Truth & Beauty](#): > > NO! If **november** is likely to be subbed out, testing em will do NO GOOD. Honestly, don’t you people listen to me? [very calmly] Why? We’d still be testing his/her sub. so someone would be tested. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/279 "2009-02-18T17:01:37Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > [very calmly] > > Why? We’d still be testing his/her sub. so someone would be tested. I don’t think so. IIRC, **pedescribe** said **november** would be subbed out by the end of Day One, meaning (if I interpret properly) we’d be testing **november** and lynching someone else. And I think I’m firmly in the camp of testing and lynching **the same person.** ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/280 "2009-02-18T17:06:10Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Daphne is kind of reactive, but I was that way too when people falsely (or…not falsely) accused me. It was definitely my knee jerk reaction to go after anyone who voted for me, but I don’t do that anymore. > > Then again, as others point out, she has played before. So, hmmm. Then again, Seeker has never played before so I shouldn’t be hard on her either. Though maybe we should just take the whole who’s a newbie and who’s exp thing out of the equation, because this could get crazy. > > Honestly, you’re both being defensive. So far I don’t think it means anything. I definitely think we must test someone. So far, might as well be november. Eh, it’s better to go after the most suspicious person, now that the lurker issue is resolved. I think it’s **daphne** because she’s generating a lot of dissension for someone who is experienced enough to know that suspicion in the air is normal. Testing and killing **november** ’s replacement would effectively be shooting at random. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=15)