# Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692 "2009-02-13T15:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/361 "2009-02-19T04:09:43Z")
Oh yes, my vote stands: **Vote november** ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/362 "2009-02-19T04:22:19Z")
I stand by our philosophy of lynch/test coupling, and so my previous vote to lynch **november** remains unchanged. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/363 "2009-02-19T04:23:14Z")
**Vote november** ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/364 "2009-02-19T04:27:02Z")
november (11): Lemur866, Jimmy Chitwood, rexnervous, Elendil’s Heir, AllWalker, Ichini Sanshigo, Seeker of Truth & Beauty, Scuba\_Ben, Mahaloth, Daphne Black, fluiddruid Telcontar (1): Zeriel ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/365 "2009-02-19T04:28:39Z")
unvote Telcontar vote november As previously stated, this is the most information we can get today. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/366 "2009-02-19T04:29:49Z")
Yep, put me down for november too. lynch november ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/367 "2009-02-19T04:31:22Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > Gah, I need to preview before I post. Three colors: > > C1 for werewolves > C2 for farmers > C3 for ranchers > > I’m going to have to redraw this whole thing, aren’t I . ☹ > > But yeah, the chart isn’t very useful right now. After a few days of information, we can start filling in squares with Ys and Ns. I’m taking it as a loose guideline for interpreting future info. As I posted some time ago, the second color may signify something entirely different, like a power role (or lack thereof). I think there must be some level of complexity beyond just W/F/R, otherwise we could get lucky and figure it out early and it becomes potentially overpowering. On the flip side, too many variables and it becomes useless, since game will end before we’ve figured it out. Is it ```auto C1 C2 W or T F or R or Null (for a W) ``` Or ```auto C1 C2 W or R or F Power Role / No Power Role (binary) ``` Or ```auto C1 C2 W or R or F Power Role Type / No Power Role (diff color for each power role) ``` Or ```auto C1 C2 W or R or F Something entirely different ``` Or ```auto C1 C2 W or R or F Random and meaningless ``` Keep in mind we also don’t know if the order the colors come out of the testerizer are significant or not. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/368 "2009-02-19T04:32:11Z")
If I did this right, this Google doc is sharable: [https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dchh6hf2\_0fzgqznhb&hl=en](https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dchh6hf2_0fzgqznhb&hl=en). Let me know if you have problems viewing it. This document is a table of the Testerizer results, the player tested, and the outcome if & when we know the true result. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/369 "2009-02-19T04:52:41Z")
I can’t open it, but I sent a request for permission. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/370 "2009-02-19T05:24:22Z")
Same here–I also sent a request for permission. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/371 "2009-02-19T05:34:41Z")
The colour coding _could_ also be something like: IF testee = wolf THEN c1 = significant, c2 = random ELSE c1 = random, c2 = significant END IF Or maybe the order is entirely irrelevant. It could also be something really bizarre, where no two wolves have any colours the same because their usernames are so different. Just saying, even if we _think_ we’ve cracked the code, we should always remember there is a chance we are completely wrong. But, if an apparent pattern does emerge, I will probably follow its chromatic wisdom. ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/372 "2009-02-19T09:20:35Z")
So, as commonly agreed we need to figure out the test results… Vote november ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/373 "2009-02-19T12:50:26Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > november (11): Lemur866, Jimmy Chitwood, rexnervous, Elendil’s Heir, AllWalker, Ichini Sanshigo, Seeker of Truth & Beauty, Scuba\_Ben, Mahaloth, Daphne Black, fluiddruid > Telcontar (1): Zeriel I think **Oredigger** voted november as well, though he/she did it in red. It’s not super important, as it won’t change the results, but we may want to add the vote in case people want to go back and analyze vote patterns later. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/374 "2009-02-19T13:14:16Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I think **Oredigger** voted november as well, though he/she did it in red. It’s not super important, as it won’t change the results, but we may want to add the vote in case people want to go back and analyze vote patterns later. I know. I’m not counting it because it’s ambiguous. november (14): Lemur866, Jimmy Chitwood, rexnervous, Elendil’s Heir, AllWalker, Ichini Sanshigo, Seeker of Truth & Beauty, Scuba\_Ben, Mahaloth, Daphne Black, fluiddruid, Zeriel, Justin Credible, [Undecided] Adrian ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/375 "2009-02-19T14:43:22Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > You mean to make that blue, as in a lynch vote, right? I did but apparently I need to add no posting at night to my no posting in the morning rule because I can’t seem to keep my thoughts straight. So to make it unanimous: Vote november Sorry about the confusion. > [@DaphneBlack](#): > > Thanks for doing that, **Ichini Sanshigo**. I doubt we can be sure about anything with the testeriser yet. I’d guess there’re more than three colours though. > > I also think we should wait on serious Day Two lynch discussion to avoid tipping our hand to the wolves too much. However, we shouldn’t stop talking completely! There is still plenty to discuss. I think we need to start discussing who we’re going to test on Day 2 because other wise we will always have shorter discussion. As it stands by always lynching the test candidate, until a pattern is discovered, we will basically waste the last two days of each Day. On the other hand as has already been suggested if we run the Days Wednesday to Wednesday then we still get our full time. For me I think a quick reread is in order. ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/376 "2009-02-19T14:57:10Z")
Well, we certainly can start discussing now, but I think only the reveal who was eaten during the Night, on Sunday Evening, will kick off the real discussion. If we try to take the scum kill into account and speculate about it before that, the wolves might use that to sow confusion with their decision, so I think that wouldn’t be helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/377 "2009-02-19T14:59:57Z")
I also think we should lynch him, for the same reasons as everyone else. \*\* Vote November\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/378 "2009-02-19T15:08:29Z")
I think we can talk about the next test as long as we’re responsible about it. Obviously we shouldn’t be saying “If the wolves do X we’re going to do Y,” but I think there’s something short of that which would at least be a little helpful to us in terms of advancing the discussion. I have a couple of thoughts but I won’t put them out there yet if the consensus is that talking before the next day is a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/379 "2009-02-19T15:15:12Z")
One thing, I’ve seen several people claim that the wolves would have defended November if November was a wolf. But I don’t think that’s the way a wolf would play it. You don’t defend a fellow wolf by defending him, you defend him by attacking other players. It would be pointless for the wolves to actively defend him because that’s way too obvious. But I guess we’ll find out soon enough. It doesn’t make any sense to lynch anyone except November. He’s a dead player, but he’s got just as much of a chance of being assigned to be a wolf as anyone else. So if he turns out wolf, then we take a good hard look at the people who vociferously argued for lynching someone else. And I agree we should start some chatter on our next test candidate, and everyone should know that there’s no point in voting to test someone we aren’t going to lynch. So a vote to test should be a commitment to lynch, barring the possibility of one of the scum making an obvious tell. ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/380 "2009-02-19T15:40:15Z")
I agree on “testee = lynchee” for time being, barring something unforeseen. I’m not sure I agree on talking much prior to the Wolves’ first vote. I see it as in information trade-off: Talking now gives us more information that can be used later on, but gives the wolves’ an early opportunity to use that against us (which could create exponentially greater repercussions down the road) Being mute until toMorrow forces the wolves’ to act on limited info, lessening IMHO their opportunity for confusion, at the cost of less information for us to compare/review in Days 2 and 3. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=20)