# Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692 "2009-02-13T15:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/401 "2009-02-20T01:25:02Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Sorry – Nairu was the Town’s patron deity in the Mafia game I was in. > > Here’s a strategy thought, following on **rexnervous** suggesting to lynch the test subject: I suggest we definitely lynch toMorrow’s test subject if either of the following cases holds: > > - **november** comes up Town, and the next testee gets a completely different result from the Testerizer. > - **november** comes up Werewolf, and the next testee gets the identical result from the Testerizer. > > Anything else, discussion will ensue. I would only add this: I think we should also add the case that if november comes up Wolf, but has a different result, we should still consider a lynch. In that case, we don’t have enough information to call the person confirmed town, and we have no idea if all wolves test the same. While I would say it is _likely_ to hit a townie rather than a wolf, a similar result (one color matching, one not) could certainly help us narrow down the Testerizer code in record time, and it’s not enough to confirm someone as known and trusted townie. In other words, unless someone can be positively confirmed as town - e.g. by november being determined to be town, and getting an identical test result - we should proceed with syncing the lynch as planned. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/402 "2009-02-20T01:36:56Z")
To add to the above, I have a few thoughts on likely configurations for the Testerizer. One slot (probably the first) indicates Farmer, Rancher, or Wolf. The other slot indicates Power Role (any role with special powers), yes or no, or Power Role, various colors indicating each role. A less likely possibility would be that the first slot indicates Town or Scum, and the second one indicates yes or no to special powers. I think this is unlikely, given the fact that there would then be no way to determine town faction, and that’s a pretty big deal given the win conditions. The other likely possibility in my mind is that the first indicator is Town or Scum, and the second indicator is Rancher or Farmer (or Wolf?). Not sure how that would work for wolves (two of the same color, perhaps?) though if we get any test results that report only one color indicator, I’d start to bet on this option. The only thing that makes me think this could be a possibility is that pedescribe has repeatedly minimized the powers present in the game. If powers are undetectable by the Testerizer, this would be one way to counterbalance the (presumable) lack of powerful characters like the Detective, Masons, etc. After all, we’re overwhelmingly likely to lynch a detected wolf, power or no power; a townie with a detected power may have no real defense (e.g. no Doctor) against a night kill. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/403 "2009-02-20T02:27:09Z")
> [@'\[Undecided](#): > > Adrian;10850537’]I don’t understand why you would write that. If one of those is a wolf, they might eat you to prevent you from elaborating. If none is, you might get eaten to throw suspicion on them. > That’s two different options where you don’t see the sun rise again but where we get little and unreliable information. > So at least share your hunch before the creatures of the Night take over, or am I missing something? > > I mean I have one player pinging my radar as well, but I’ve explained why, even if nobody else has weighed in there yet… A few more conditions need to be met, a few more pieces of information need to come to light… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/404 "2009-02-20T02:54:29Z")
It seems pretty early to be talking about what the test results could mean. I’d have to guess that there can’t be any result where one color will give town/scum status. That would be too easy to figure out. It could be, if the two color are the same: town, if the two colors are different: wolf. Or something else. We don’t know the testerizer works as a function where the same input will produce the same output. But yeah, if the next testee gets the same output as november that’s a pretty good bet that they have the same role as november. But different output doesn’t mean a different role. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/405 "2009-02-20T04:51:32Z")
So I went back and read through the instructions, and while it was never stated that wolves could be ranchers/farmers, it wasn’t stated that they _couldn’t_ be ranchers/farmers. It may be the case that [ul] [li]none of them read as R/F or it could be [/li][li]the Testerizer erroneously reads them as R/F (although that doesn’t seem logical or likely to me), or it could be [/li][li]that only one of the wolves (an alpha wolf? an omega wolf?) presents as R/F. [/li][/ul] Basically, I think it’s premature to eliminate the possibility. It may not be likely that wolves are R/F, but I’d rather err on the said of collecting too much information than too little, at least early in the game. The utility of R/F is mainly going to be as a means of differentially diagnosing lycanthropic status. What? After a hard day in the fields, I take evening classes at the community college. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/406 "2009-02-20T13:04:26Z")
I had some color, but the stupid backspace key eated it. November is an Ordinary Rancher Night. No strategy. Night ends Noon Sunday EST. ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/407 "2009-02-20T13:14:40Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I had some color, but the stupid backspace key eated it. > > November is an Ordinary Rancher > > Night. No strategy. Night ends Noon Sunday EST. So are we not supposed to talk at all toNight? ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/408 "2009-02-20T13:29:31Z")
I think we can talk, but it’s got to be fluff. Nice hair, **rexnervous**. ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/409 "2009-02-20T13:33:28Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > If I did this right, this Google doc is sharable: [https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dchh6hf2\_0fzgqznhb&hl=en](https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dchh6hf2_0fzgqznhb&hl=en). Let me know if you have problems viewing it. > > This document is a table of the Testerizer results, the player tested, and the outcome if & when we know the true result. I requested access to this from my gmail account just now ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/410 "2009-02-20T13:35:16Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > I think we can talk, but it’s got to be fluff. Nice hair, **rexnervous**. Thanks, I groom it nightly. But I really admire your teeth - so long and pointy 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/411 "2009-02-20T15:02:02Z")
I thought we had all day Friday before the lynch. Oh well, who’s bartending I need me a drink I’m thinking I’ll start off slow with a Jack and Coke. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/412 "2009-02-20T15:03:57Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I thought we had all day Friday before the lynch. Oh well, who’s bartending I need me a drink I’m thinking I’ll start off slow with a Jack and Coke. That’s what I thought, too. Hmmm. Pass me a Besotted Rancher and I’ll make you a Hair of the Lycanthrope That Tried to Devour Me Last Night. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/413 "2009-02-20T15:09:09Z")
:: relieved not to have been eaten last Night :: I’ll have one of those, too, please! ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/414 "2009-02-20T15:12:38Z")
Me, I’ll have a [Farmer Giles](http://www.drinknation.com/drink/Farmer-Giles), followed by a [Rancho Santucci](http://www.drinknation.com/drink/Rancho-Santucci) ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/415 "2009-02-20T16:06:35Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > :: relieved not to have been eaten last Night :: > > I’ll have one of those, too, please! But the Night has only begun. No one’s been eaten yet. Please, I’ll have a Long Island Iced Tea. Extra Island. ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/416 "2009-02-20T16:36:31Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I thought we had all day Friday before the lynch. Oh well, who’s bartending I need me a drink I’m thinking I’ll start off slow with a Jack and Coke. I think pedescribe called the Night early because the vote was unanimous. I’ll have one quick drink and then retire to my werewolf-proof bunker. Good luck everyone, see you at Dawn. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/417 "2009-02-20T16:38:01Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > :: relieved not to have been eaten last Night :: > > I’ll have one of those, too, please! Actually, night hasn’t ended yet. You might yet get eaten. We don’t know who will get eaten until the werewolves finish their deliberations. So drink up! ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/418 "2009-02-20T16:55:58Z")
Anyone have any fortifying ales? I’ll take one of those… ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/419 "2009-02-20T17:34:37Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > Anyone have any fortifying ales? I’ll take one of those… I’ll take one, too. And feel free to put it in a silver cup. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/420 "2009-02-20T18:10:41Z")
> [@Seeker of Truth & Beauty](#): > > Please, I’ll have a Long Island Iced Tea. Extra Island. Have you ever tried a top shelf long island? It is the best mixed drink ever. After about 4, I’m so messed up I can barely talk and I’m 6’6" and 380lbs. The best part is that they take the alcohol taste completely out of the drink so the first one tastes like coke and the second one tastes like nothing. I’m switching from the Jack and Coke over to top shelf long islands, especially since I don’t have to pay. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=22)