# Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692 "2009-02-13T15:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/641 "2009-02-24T19:37:35Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I have to say, I would be awfully surprised if Slit comes up anything other than rancher at this point. > > Should we start testerizer analysis(so to speak) now, or wait until we learn the truer idenity of Freudian? By “testerizer analysis”, I mean discussing the significance of Slit being a normal rancher and yet producing different results than our first lynching? I think that would just be pointless wanking. plenty of time to talk abut that next week if that’s how it turns out. Well, except for **Freudian**. He should post his ideas in advance. Besides, if the testerizer is working on something other than a color matching scheme it’s worthless; we’d be lucky to figure it out even after the game was over let alone during. ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/642 "2009-02-24T19:46:47Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > I think that would just be pointless wanking. plenty of time to talk abut that next week if that’s how it turns out. Well, except for **Freudian**. He should post his ideas in advance. > > Besides, if the testerizer is working on something other than a color matching scheme it’s worthless; we’d be lucky to figure it out even after the game was over let alone during. I agree. Despite the fun in trying to figure out the Testerizer puzzle, I’m beginning to feel it’s more of a distraction than anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/643 "2009-02-24T21:11:00Z")
> [@rexnervous](#): > > Despite the fun in trying to figure out the Testerizer puzzle, I’m beginning to feel it’s more of a distraction than anything else. Yep. If Slit is a wolf, we have some data. If not and he/she’s just a rancher, the testerizer is proving to be a pain. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/644 "2009-02-24T21:18:10Z")
Well, I personally think that **Freudian Slit** is lying through her canine teeth. But we’ll see soon enough. **vote Freudian Slit** ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/645 "2009-02-24T21:39:36Z")
This is going to be so much fun when I’m vindicated. So, here are some thoughts. I really don’t trust **Seeker** and how hard he’s pushing me as a wolf. When you get my results, I think he’s going to look a lot more suspect, and will possibly make a good lynch/test candidate. > [@Seeker of Truth & Beauty](#): > > I think we might want to test Daphne, though – she talks a lot and she’s getting on my nerves. Besides, I have this “feeling.” **Seeker** was the first one to point out **Daphne** based on a feeling. This is a pretty weak case, IMHO. I saw, and still see, nothing weird about **Daphne**. > [@Seeker of Truth & Beauty](#): > > So. We have here the most vociferous poster defending the least talkative. Obviously, they know each other… need I say more? > > I believe we’re on the right track here; I have seen the error of my ways. > > Unvote **DaphneBlack** > > Vote **november** **Seeker** was very eager to change votes when he he saw we weren’t jumping on the **Daphne** bandwagon. But at the same time was still voicing suspicion of **Daphne**. Clearly, **Daphne** was not defending **november** b/c both were wolves (b/c we know **november** was town). So this looks just weird to me. > [@Seeker of Truth & Beauty](#): > > And it didn’t occur to you that I have no idea what I’m doing? [Everybody knows](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10828077&postcount=36) this is my first game, ever. > > I see that everyone is overly suspicious, here, and I understand the reasoning behind that, but damn, I’m just trying to play. > > Truthfully, I think it wold be helpful (for me) if I were to die now, so I could watch without being invested. Or maybe I need to stay in the game to grow a thicker skin. Anyway, **Daphne,** I’m almost positive you’re scum. Just a feeling. I’d bet money on it. Again with the feelings. This makes no sense to me at all. Why ride **Daphne** so hard? I also don’t like the “No, I’m just an innocent newbie, I don’t know what I’m doing” play. A lot of you guys are newbies. The playing field is more or less level–if you look scummy, it’s not because you’re just a poor defenseless noob. > [@Seeker of Truth & Beauty](#): > > NO! If **november** is likely to be subbed out, testing em will do NO GOOD. Honestly, don’t you people listen to me? This could be plain ignorance about how the game works. Or it could be that **Seeker** was trying to get us to just lynch a townie without using the device. > [@Seeker of Truth & Beauty](#): > > Ooh, I never thought of that! I’d forgotten there is this rivalry of sorts between the townies. All this time I’d focusing on the Us vs. Them of Wolves & Townies. You’d think someone who was a town would be hyper aware of the rivalry between Rancher and Farmer, no? Granted, **Seeker** could be a Townie who forgot it was relevant that town wins as ranchers or as farmers. Or he could be a lycanthrope who doesn’t care if ranchers or farmers win because he’s only looking at things from the Wolf perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/646 "2009-02-24T22:30:43Z")
Freudian Slit (11): Fluiddruid, Elendil’s Heir, Rexnervous, Jimmy Chitwood, Oredigger77, DaphneBlack, [Undecided] Adrian, Mahaloth, Ichini Sanshigo, Telcontar, SoT&B ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/647 "2009-02-24T22:38:42Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > This is going to be so much fun when I’m vindicated. So, here are some thoughts. > > I really don’t trust **Seeker** and how hard he’s pushing me as a wolf. When you get my results, I think he’s going to look a lot more suspect, and will possibly make a good lynch/test candidate. I’m not particularly impressed by this case. **Freudian** , you look like a wolf. Even if you know you’re not a wolf, you have to see that you look like a wolf. My suspicions are in a bit of a state of flux, depending on whether Freudian is guilty (as I think) or not (as is possibly if the GM hates us). Either way, it’ll probably be worth going back and reading the posts of his first three accusers. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/648 "2009-02-24T22:40:34Z")
**Vote FS** Sorry FS, but at this stage you are a data point. If it turns out that you are an innocent rancher, then either the teseteriszer is random for townies, as suggested, or maybe the two colours together having 8 letters codes for rancher. Time will tell, but you will not be lynched in vain, innocent or not. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/649 "2009-02-24T22:54:48Z")
I don’t think I seem all that wolf-like, to be honest. And I’m glad I’m not dying in vain, and I really hope you guys look closely at those who are saying that I seem like a wolf because they’re the ones who should be up on the testerizing block next. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/650 "2009-02-24T23:26:47Z")
I’m trying to theorise about the Testeriser. It’s got one obvious function; it’s a conversation starter. Mafia games often need a conversation starter, otherwise we tend to go round a treadmill of a few well-worn topics. The Testerizer gave us something to talk about. It may be that the Testerizer is meant to allow us to build up a picture, but if it is it cannot be something we can piece together in a Day or two, as that would be unfair to the Wolves. The quickest the Wolves can win the game is 4-5 Days, assuming no other killers in this setup, unless there are more than five Wolves. Six Wolves would give 12 townspeople almost no chance. I think we have to lynch FS, just to see what her role actually is. I’d have been prepared not to if the test results were identical to November’s. Unfortunate, but there we are. **vote Freudian Slit**. Sorry FS. ☹ One thing. November said nothing before his untimely death. FS has had plenty to say. When we look back after her death, we’ll be able to look at what she said in the light of her true alignment. We can also see how others reacted to her. I need to read this game again before I can comment intelligently on other issues. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/651 "2009-02-25T00:00:18Z")
I’m not about to quote your entire Post #645, **Freudian Slit** , but for the most part, I agree with your points, especially considering the best rebuttal anyone has against them is, “That doesn’t make any sense”, and that’s not a rebuttal at all. The problem lies in your weird color combo, and the fact that it doesn’t mesh _at all_ with your claimed alignment (or what we assume your claimed alignment would look like based on **november’s** test results). For what it’s worth, I would rather have Tested and Lynched **Seeker** , but as it stands, you look like a wolf who got caught out in a lie about their alignment. I will propose three other explanations: 1. The testerizer is much more complicated than we thought, and for some reason gives inconsistent results for the same alignment, making it pretty much useless. 2. You are actually a farmer (though if you were bothering to ID your occupation, it is beyond me why you would lie about this at all), and you don’t want to recant at this point for fear of looking wishy-washy. 3. You have a power role that you are extremely reluctant to reveal, for whatever reason. Maybe whatever it is will be more effective in death. I’m also inclined to believe that if you were scum, there would be more other scum defending you. And now I realize that if you are in fact scum, this post of mine looks pretty scummy.\* And I also realize that the other scum may have simply written you off as expendable at this point, and they’re not going to risk outing themselves by trying to save you. - I’m honestly not sure about **Freudian Slit’s** wolfiness. I’m more certain that **Seeker** and/or **Telcontar** like to howl at the moon. Even though the tide is pretty much against **Freudian Slit** , even though she’s the most rational choice for lynching this time around, I still have a very bad feeling about it. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/652 "2009-02-25T00:32:46Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > That is a good point. I’m just wandering what the second color would represent in this case. If FS is townie and the Testerizer is random for all values townie, then green, red, aqua, and teal are all Not-Wolf colors. If FS is wolf and the Testerizer is random for all values townie, then either aqua or teal is wolf, but which one, and what does the other represent? It could be that the testerizer always produces two random colors for a townie, but has two set colors for scum. For example, say that any scum tested always ends up being black and purple, just to pick two random colors. Once we test and lynch one, then we’ll immediately know any scum as soon as we test one, because they would have the same two colors. But that’s _if_ **FS** is telling the truth, which I don’t believe she is. Like someone else said, even if she’s not scum, she could easily have a power role that does something special when she dies. She does seem to be rather…nonchalant about going to her grave. In that case, either aqua or teal or both could correspond to someone with a power role. We’ll just have to wait until her lynching and go from there. **lynch Freudian Slit** ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/653 "2009-02-25T00:37:13Z")
I’ve said before that I don’t want to go. But I do think that if you guys don’t lynch me, you’ll always be wondering if I’m really scum. I think this is the best way to help the town, honestly. If I’m lynched, you’ll know not to automatically trust the Testerizer, and maybe how to interpret it. For those who think I’m scum, everything I say will be under the lens of “seems wolf-like” to me. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/654 "2009-02-25T01:02:06Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > I > I’m also inclined to believe that if you were scum, there would be more other scum defending you. And now I realize that if you are in fact scum, this post of mine looks pretty scummy.\* And I also realize that the other scum may have simply written you off as expendable at this point, and they’re not going to risk outing themselves by trying to save you. > > - I’m honestly not sure about **Freudian Slit’s** wolfiness. I’m more certain that **Seeker** and/or **Telcontar** like to howl at the moon. Even though the tide is pretty much against **Freudian Slit** , even though she’s the most rational choice for lynching this time around, I still have a very bad feeling about it. Yeah, this post looks pretty scummy. Not really because you are defending Freudian, though two of your three alternate scenarios are really pretty weird (the first one makes some sense, as we’ve all been saying if Freudian is not a wolf that must be what’s going on). But this ‘I’m not really going to take a stand against the lynch, but I feel so awful about it’ is a scummy thing to say. It sure does look like Freudian is going to swing today. If you really think Seeker or Telcontar is a better choice, then tell us why, build a case, vote for them. You’re voting for Freudian – why, if you feel this way? It’s not like anyone else is in danger of being lynched at this point. It looks to me like its so you can safely be on the bandwagon and not stick your neck out, but still point to ‘I didn’t like it’ later if she does turn out to be a rancher? ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/655 "2009-02-25T01:03:54Z")
Ergh, the punctuation of that last sentence is appalling. Trying again: It looks to me like [you are voting for FS] so you can safely be on the bandwagon, and not stick your neck out, but still point to ‘I didn’t like it’ later if she does turn out to be a rancher. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/656 "2009-02-25T01:51:50Z")
Freudian Slit (14): Fluiddruid, Elendil’s Heir, Rexnervous, Jimmy Chitwood, Oredigger77, DaphneBlack, [Undecided] Adrian, Mahaloth, Ichini Sanshigo, Telcontar, SoT&B, Allwalker, MHaye, Justin Credible ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/657 "2009-02-25T02:16:38Z")
Daphne, are posts 654 and 655 directed at Ichini? I’m still finding your final question/comment hard to follow. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/658 "2009-02-25T02:21:45Z")
Yes, it’s at Ichini. I’m saying that voting for someone and then saying ‘oh I don’t feel good about this’ is scummy, because it lets you be safely on the bandwagon with everyone else, but then, if the lynchee comes up town, you can point back to it and say you ‘didn’t really’ want to lynch them. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/659 "2009-02-25T02:55:28Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Freudian Slit (14): Fluiddruid, Elendil’s Heir, Rexnervous, Jimmy Chitwood, Oredigger77, DaphneBlack, [Undecided] Adrian, Mahaloth, Ichini Sanshigo, Telcontar, SoT&B, Allwalker, MHaye, Justin Credible So is this unanimous(except Freudian)? Anyone else in the game who isn’t posting regularly(like November was)? Anyone see/hear November anywhere? ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/660 "2009-02-25T03:05:18Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > So is this unanimous(except Freudian)? Anyone else in the game who isn’t posting regularly(like November was)? > > Anyone see/hear November anywhere? Zeriel has disappeared. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=34)