# Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692 "2009-02-13T15:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/841 "2009-03-04T11:46:28Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > I just had a thought… > > **Oh Great Mod, do the wolves know how the testeriser works? Do they know the colour codes for anyone the rest of the town doesn’t?** > > The only way this makes sense is that **Seeker** is aiming for a clusterfuck here (sorry, kiddies). The only way that makes sense is that he knows that the testeriser will spit out some random, confusing colours that will lead us to false positives. That can only happen if they know more than we know. > > How else could this be a good strategy, no matter his alignment? The werewolves were given no extra knowledge about the testerizer at any point in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/842 "2009-03-04T11:50:37Z")
SoT&B (6): Oredigger77, Justin Credible, Daphne Black, Allwalker, MHaye, [Undecided] Adrian Telcontar (3): Mahaloth, Jimmy Chitwood, Rexnervous Mhaye (2): Zeriel, Fluiddruid Daphne Black (1): Telcontar ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/843 "2009-03-04T13:31:36Z")
> [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](#): > > Well, no; I can’t speak for other people. > > However, think what happens if you Testerize me, a known quantity, then lynch me. It would better off, for all concerned, to just lynch me and Testerize someone else. Not to restate the obvious, but as \*\*Daphne \*\*noted - this is utterly wrong. Unless the Testerizer is just too complex to even worry about, the single best thing the town could have right now is a wolf tested and lynched. > [@MHaye](#): > > snip… > > As for why Seeker made the claim, I don’t know. But right now I’m against **testing a third Rancher**. Bolding mine. What am I missing here? Has anyone claimed Rancher? AFAIK Telcontar only said it would be a waste to test him, not that he was a rancher. Who has claimed rancher? Or are you saying that you are a rancher? > [@'\[Undecided](#): > > Adrian;10901974’]OK, that’s very strange. > **Seeker** either has enough of this game and doesn’t want a sub to go on, or there is a plan to confuse us. I can’t believe he is bowing out just to make it easier for us. > He might be protecting someone, which is in this case most probably the vote leader, **Telcontar**. A remote chance would be **MHaye** , because a case against him was made, but that is unlikely with the vote situation as it is. Let’s not forget this. **Seeker** ’s claim makes no sense on the face of it. There must be something else going on. But I can’t see how doing this now protects anyone on the wolf side either. Even if \*\*Telcontar \*\*were a wolf, we wouldn’t know that at the test stage (unless the Testerizer spits out a color scheme like Blood Red / Toothy White 🙂 ) and there’s no guarantee that we’ll be lynching the testee from here on out. The timing is also pretty bad for us townies - only 12 hours (less now) to discuss and finalize vote. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/844 "2009-03-04T13:48:57Z")
This is interesting, to say the least. Possibilities to consider are that Seeker: 1. Jams, disables, or confuses the testerizer 2. is a jester 3. is a Godfather and will give useless testerizer results. 4. is the opposite of a Godfather and will somehow give us more useful than typical testerizer results. 5. something we haven’t thought of. Remember, the scum only self-reveal when they think they have something to gain, and that something is not necessarily obvious. The fact that Seeker’s trying to convince us to not test him is potentially evidence for 1 and 4, depending on how full your glass of WIFOM is. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/845 "2009-03-04T14:00:11Z")
OK. I just took a look at what **seeker** said and am absolutely confused about the motivation. Let’s find out what happens when we testerize a wolf. **untest Telcontar** test Seeker ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/846 "2009-03-04T14:57:34Z")
> [@rexnervous](#): > > > [@MHaye](#): > > > > As for why Seeker made the claim, I don’t know. But right now I’m against **testing a third Rancher**. > > Bolding mine. > > What am I missing here? Has anyone claimed Rancher? AFAIK Telcontar only said it would be a waste to test him, not that he was a rancher. Who has claimed rancher? > > Or are you saying that you are a rancher? That’s a general policy statement. Right now, testing a Rancher would be a mistake; we need to test someone who is not a Rancher. (If someone claims to be a Rancher, but there’s evidence they may be lying, that’s a different kettle of fish.) I’m making no specific claims right now. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/847 "2009-03-04T14:58:54Z")
Well, at least I can say I told you guys it was a newbie scum slip. But beyond that seriously WTF, the only thing I can think of is a protection of a wolf power role. So I’m thinking we need to go back and check Tel very carefully because I think he needs to go toMorrow just to be safe. Damn, this is some weird shit. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/848 "2009-03-04T15:03:57Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > This is interesting, to say the least. > > Possibilities to consider are that Seeker: > > 1. Jams, disables, or confuses the testerizer > 2. is a jester > 3. is a Godfather and will give useless testerizer results. > 4. is the opposite of a Godfather and will somehow give us more useful than typical testerizer results. > 5. something we haven’t thought of. > > Remember, the scum only self-reveal when they think they have something to gain, and that something is not necessarily obvious. > > The fact that Seeker’s trying to convince us to not test him is potentially evidence for 1 and 4, depending on how full your glass of WIFOM is. **lynch seeker** It’s always a good idea to kill the people who confess. Even if they’re lying you don’t want them in the town and you’ll feel like an absolute idiot if you don’t believe them and they are telling the truth. I’m very confused by this move. It can only make sense if 1.) Seeker is lying or 2.) testing seeker is somehow anti town. F\*ck. Err, **test seeker but is unhappy about it**. Anyone have a convenient list of what farmer/rancher roles people have claimed that OTHERS have? It’s worth assessing accuracy at this point, people have been getting very sloppy and if they’re consistently right… ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/849 "2009-03-04T15:12:19Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > That’s a general policy statement. > > Right now, testing a Rancher would be a mistake; we need to test someone who is not a Rancher. (If someone claims to be a Rancher, but there’s evidence they may be lying, that’s a different kettle of fish.) > > I’m making no specific claims right now. Actually testing a rancher might be more useful than testing a farmer (we might finally figure out what the test results of the last three days have in common). Testing and lynching a wolf would be much much more useful though. Maybe we’ll get a black black or something. As for villager role claims, see my other post. To my knowledge, only EH has claimed a role. Others have been said to have claimed roles and, if anyone can recall or has a list of these claims, it may be worth coming out to prove/disprove them. > [@Oredigger77](#): > > Well, at least I can say I told you guys it was a newbie scum slip. But beyond that seriously WTF, the only thing I can think of is a protection of a wolf power role. So I’m thinking we need to go back and check Tel very carefully because I think he needs to go toMorrow just to be safe. > > Damn, this is some weird shit. It’s a logical thought, but an incorrect one. Think of it this way: How could my role be so useful to the wolves that we’d sacrifice another wolf just to gain one more night with me? The wolves have all the information they need… Yeah, I just don’t get this. On the plus side I have definitely succeed in my initial goal of being suspicious enough not to die during the night. More proactive side: 1.) I really don’t think my post from last night reads like I expected to be alive tomorrow. 2.) I think there’s something in these false claims about me coming out as a farmer/rancher. there have been what, two or three of these? 3.) Zeriel, check me out tonight, if you haven’t already. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/850 "2009-03-04T15:15:13Z")
SoT&B (7): Oredigger77, Justin Credible, Daphne Black, Allwalker, MHaye, [Undecided] Adrian, Mahaloth Telcontar (2): Jimmy Chitwood, Rexnervous Mhaye (2): Zeriel, Fluiddruid Daphne Black (1): Telcontar SoT&B (1): Telcontar > [@Telcontar](#): > > **lynch seeker** > It’s always a good idea to kill the people who confess. Even if they’re lying you don’t want them in the town and you’ll feel like an absolute idiot if you don’t believe them and they are telling the truth. > > I’m very confused by this move. It can only make sense if 1.) Seeker is lying or 2.) testing seeker is somehow anti town. F\*ck. Err, > **test seeker but is unhappy about it**. > > Anyone have a convenient list of what farmer/rancher roles people have claimed that OTHERS have? It’s worth assessing accuracy at this point, people have been getting very sloppy and if they’re consistently right… You need to unvote your tester vote before you can change it. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/851 "2009-03-04T15:32:51Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > SoT&B (7): Oredigger77, Justin Credible, Daphne Black, Allwalker, MHaye, [Undecided] Adrian, Mahaloth > Telcontar (2): Jimmy Chitwood, Rexnervous > Mhaye (2): Zeriel, Fluiddruid > Daphne Black (1): Telcontar > > SoT&B (1): Telcontar > > You need to unvote your tester vote before you can change it. This unvote thing always gets me. unvote Daphne vote seeker ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/852 "2009-03-04T15:44:21Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > **lynch seeker** > It’s always a good idea to kill the people who confess. Even if they’re lying you don’t want them in the town and you’ll feel like an absolute idiot if you don’t believe them and they are telling the truth. > . I’m not sure if it is always a good idea. I’m for it right now(kind of), but is there any chance that Seeker has some kind of power that will negatively affect the town if he/she is lynched? Additionally, could it be that **Seeker** wants to be lynched to save **Telcontar?** I mean, if Seeker has a power that would hurt us townies and **Telcontar** doesn’t, it would be good for **Seeker** to jump on the grenade. I am wondering if both **Telcontar** and **Seeker** are wolves, but **Seeker** is the preferred lynch in their group. 1. If I die in the Night, you should really take it that this is correct. 2. I’m a newbie. Do power roles anything like what I describe sometimes exist? If not, disregard it. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/853 "2009-03-04T15:46:17Z")
SoT&B (8): Oredigger77, Justin Credible, Daphne Black, Allwalker, MHaye, [Undecided] Adrian, Mahaloth, Telcontar Telcontar (2): Jimmy Chitwood, Rexnervous Mhaye (2): Zeriel, Fluiddruid SoT&B (1): Telcontar ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/854 "2009-03-04T15:51:28Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’m not sure if it is always a good idea. I’m for it right now(kind of), but is there any chance that Seeker has some kind of power that will negatively affect the town if he/she is lynched? > > Additionally, could it be that **Seeker** wants to be lynched to save **Telcontar?** I mean, if Seeker has a power that would hurt us townies and **Telcontar** doesn’t, it would be good for **Seeker** to jump on the grenade. > > I am wondering if both **Telcontar** and **Seeker** are wolves, but **Seeker** is the preferred lynch in their group. > > 1. If I die in the Night, you should really take it that this is correct. > > 2. I’m a newbie. Do power roles anything like what I describe sometimes exist? If not, disregard it. 1. That’s silly. 2. Power roles could be a bit weird, but I can’t imagine a role combination that makes it sensible for a wolf to confess to save another wolf. My guess is either that a.) Seeker breaks the testerizer (which doesn’t make sense in that it’s almost useless as far as we can tell) or b.) Seeker is f\*ing with us (which doesn’t make sense because he could just sub out). It could be that seeker is a saint and that everyone who votes to kill him dies, but that would be so awesome that I wouldn’t want to stop it. ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/855 "2009-03-04T16:03:25Z")
Two housekeeping notes 1. Am on a plane shortly so will be incommunicado from about noon eastern until late tonite or tomorrow, plus I’m visiting family thru Sunday so while I will have my laptop will have limited oppty to post. 2. What is it with lurkers. Not reading anything into this, but we have 4 players who have posted less than either \*\*Lemur866 \*\*(subbed out last week) or \*\*Ichini \*\*(killed last weekend). 1 of these have yet to vote for Testing, and we have all of 5 hours until the Testerizer. The four are: **Jimmy Chitwood** **Elendil’s Heir** (hasn’t voted yet) **fluiddruid** **Zeriel** Hell, the bottom 3 have posted less than **Scuba\_Ben** , who died two weekends ago. Yes, I know, quality over quantity, blah blah, but still… ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/856 "2009-03-04T16:08:45Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > 1. That’s silly. To be fair, it is a bit silly and sounds like a desperate attempt to save my own life. I just meant, consider that post especially if I am eaten in the Night. It’s like how we reviewed F.S.'s stuff when she died, or were supposed to anyway. I was being a drama-townie. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/857 "2009-03-04T16:26:12Z")
> [@rexnervous](#): > > Two housekeeping notes > > 1. Am on a plane shortly so will be incommunicado from about noon eastern until late tonite or tomorrow, plus I’m visiting family thru Sunday so while I will have my laptop will have limited oppty to post. > > 2. What is it with lurkers. Not reading anything into this, but we have 4 players who have posted less than either \*\*Lemur866 \*\*(subbed out last week) or \*\*Ichini \*\*(killed last weekend). 1 of these have yet to vote for Testing, and we have all of 5 hours until the Testerizer. > > The four are: > > **Jimmy Chitwood** > **Elendil’s Heir** (hasn’t voted yet) > **fluiddruid** > **Zeriel** > > Hell, the bottom 3 have posted less than **Scuba\_Ben** , who died two weekends ago. > > Yes, I know, quality over quantity, blah blah, but still… I was going to say that Jimmy has been posting a lot recently then I realized that I was thinking of Justin. Bah. Very good points, all. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > To be fair, it is a bit silly and sounds like a desperate attempt to save my own life. I just meant, consider that post especially if I am eaten in the Night. It’s like how we reviewed F.S.'s stuff when she died, or were supposed to anyway. > > I was being a drama-townie. 🙂 I figured, I just didn’t want anyone else taking it overly seriously. I wouldn’t worry too much, I think the wolves have a fairly clear target for tonight. Hmm, where did we put those healers? One note: I have been in games where a non-town faction member could switch test results with another player for a round. Just something to keep in mind if we get a WTF result from seeker. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/858 "2009-03-04T16:42:59Z")
I would pay very, very close attention to what’s being said now. Not all of it, just the important parts. I can’t say too much yet; I’ll have more information for you all after the Testerizer results. Again, I would encourage everyone to NOT test me. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/859 "2009-03-04T16:49:14Z")
Well, this is a no-brainer. **unvote MHaye testerize Seeker vote Seeker** > [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’m not sure if it is always a good idea. I’m for it right now(kind of), but is there any chance that Seeker has some kind of power that will negatively affect the town if he/she is lynched? Unlikely, and even if this is the case I don’t think we should try to avoid a very likely scum target based on such hesitation. Bad play is far more likely than such an obscure power. Plus, it’d be kind of a kick in the sack for there to be an unknown power like this on a scum player. > [@](#): > > Additionally, could it be that **Seeker** wants to be lynched to save **Telcontar?** I mean, if Seeker has a power that would hurt us townies and **Telcontar** doesn’t, it would be good for **Seeker** to jump on the grenade. If Seeker turns up scum, though, who’s going to get voted for next? I’m not saying this is impossible, but extremely unlikely. It just doesn’t make sense to defend another scum player in this way, you’re just going to get lynched the following day. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/860 "2009-03-04T16:53:27Z")
> [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](#): > > I would pay very, very close attention to what’s being said now. Not all of it, just the important parts. What amazing analysis! :rolleyes: Yeesh, maybe you are intentionally throwing the game on this one. > [@](#): > > I can’t say too much yet; I’ll have more information for you all after the Testerizer results. > > Again, I would encourage everyone to NOT test me. Come on. You know you’re about to be tested; if there’s a critical reason you shouldn’t be, you need to out with it now. Otherwise this just sounds like scum desperation, which I’m willing to bet that it is - after all, what else can you do, you want to avoid a wolf getting tested if you’re going to get lynched anyway (likely). What is the possible townie detriment of getting another townie tested? Are we to believe that you have some special power that is really bad for us if you get tested, but not if you’re lynched, and you can’t (or won’t) tell us about it? The most charitable assessment of your posts would be a power role townie playing exceedingly anti-Town, but the most likely explanation is simple. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=44)