# Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692 "2009-02-13T15:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/861 "2009-03-04T17:12:47Z")
Yeesh indeed. No one’s buying what you’re selling, **Seeker**. Even if you break the machine, which I doubt, it would be worth it to get scum. Even if you are doing this to fuck with us, you’re going to be tested and lynched – pro-scum townies are nearly as bad as scum. And there is no scenario where not testing you makes sense. I can’t help but think that if **Telcontar** is not a wolf, he is being set up to take the fall toMorrow so that we mislynch again. We need to be careful about doing what the wolves want us to do. **rex** , thanks for that list. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/862 "2009-03-04T17:31:19Z")
Sorry for the delay. Very busy here. I’ll go with the majority. Test SoT&B ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/863 "2009-03-04T17:33:57Z")
> [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](#): > > I would pay very, very close attention to what’s being said now. Not all of it, just the important parts. > > I can’t say too much yet; I’ll have more information for you all after the Testerizer results. > > Again, I would encourage everyone to NOT test me. Well, don’t be vague. Just tell us why we should not test you and what information you are planning to get from the testerizer. Which parst should we pay close attention to? ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/864 "2009-03-04T17:37:24Z")
Hi, again. Another data point, for verification later (if need be): I’m a Farmer. Again, although y’all won’t listen, but I have to try. Don’t test me. Lynch me, I know that’s coming, I’m going to die one way or another. But don’t test me. You’ve got a few hours to change your vote. Do the right thing. Test **Telcontar**. As for me and my house, **Test Telcontar** Some people are known for blowing smoke. Don’t breathe the smoke. Don’t test me. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/865 "2009-03-04T17:38:58Z")
> [@rexnervous](#): > > 1. What is it with lurkers. > > snip > > **Jimmy Chitwood** I explained my temporary absence already. I’ve participated in each day’s test and each lynch. If you’d like me to post more bullshit about what I’m drinking during times when the game isn’t being played, I’ll do it, but at some point a suggestion that I’m not participating is going to look like a veiled accusation. If you want my input on something, or you feel like I’m letting something slip by that I shouldn’t, say so. But to look at total posts to the thread as significant is a horrible, horrible idea. Now then, this **Seeker** thing, wait… what the fuck? What possible benefit could be gained by announcing that you’re a werewolf at this point? That’s a serious question – is there anything he could be that would make this a reasonable strategy? Is there anything that he and **Telcontar** could be together that would make this a reasonable strategy? We have to assume that everyone here is acting rationally. **Seeker** has claimed to be a werewolf. **Seeker** wants to be lynched but not tested. If we assume that A. there’s a reason for this and B. we can’t think of a good Town reason for it, can someone explain to me why we should do what he says? Even if he’s telling the truth completely, shouldn’t we be a little more circumspect about blindly following along? There’s still time to talk about this a bit before we rush into it. Somebody help me out on what a Godfather is? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/866 "2009-03-04T17:43:14Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > …Finally, **Elendil’s Heir** – more of the “hey, I’m new here,” which I don’t like at all because hey, what the hell, I’m new, too. Also, it may be a minor, selfish, thing, but he is the only poster not to address my direct question (which to be fair was pretty vague in this case, but still). This suspicion is of the “get your act together and get in there and get your hands dirty or I’ll wonder why” variety. Which is a weird variety of suspicion. > > Suspicion score: 2 out of 10 shirts with the sleeves and back ripped out… 😕 Pot, kettle… I thought I’d explained myself well enough. Look to your own house, my friend. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/867 "2009-03-04T17:44:57Z")
**Jimmy,** I think you’re on to something. Keep thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/868 "2009-03-04T17:45:48Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Now then, this **Seeker** thing, wait… what the fuck? What possible benefit could be gained by announcing that you’re a werewolf at this point? That’s a serious question – is there anything he could be that would make this a reasonable strategy? Is there anything that he and **Telcontar** could be together that would make this a reasonable strategy? > > We have to assume that everyone here is acting rationally. **Seeker** has claimed to be a werewolf. **Seeker** wants to be lynched but not tested. If we assume that A. there’s a reason for this and B. we can’t think of a good Town reason for it, can someone explain to me why we should do what he says? Even if he’s telling the truth completely, shouldn’t we be a little more circumspect about blindly following along? There’s still time to talk about this a bit before we rush into it. > > Somebody help me out on what a Godfather is? WTF is right. We’ll know more after he’s tested. The good town reason to do this is to get him off the table. Unless he is innocent and has some perverse and overpowered special feature that makes lynching him helpful then he’s insane. Let’s see what the testerizer does. I have one theory that works if he breaks it. A godfather is a mafia member who doesn’t test as mafia (they send others out to kill while remaining safe at home). I don’t think that would fit with this game’s mythos. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/869 "2009-03-04T17:46:01Z")
Ah, I see - most of us aren’t doing what **Seeker** is asking. To be more clear, then, what I should have said was that **Seeker** must have known he’d be likely to be tested, right? So if we assume a rational **Seeker** , are we sure we want to test him based on his claim? I guess there’s nothing else for it, but it seems clear that we’re missing something here, doesn’t it? That **Seeker** wanted us to stop doing what we were doing, and do something else, and that that’s what we’re doing? Ah well. I hate being fucked with, but I suppose when somebody says he’s a wolf… \*\* Untest Telcontar Test Seeker\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/870 "2009-03-04T17:50:02Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > WTF is right. We’ll know more after he’s tested. > > The good town reason to do this is to get him off the table. Unless he is innocent and has some perverse and overpowered special feature that makes lynching him helpful then he’s insane. Let’s see what the testerizer does. I have one theory that works if he breaks it. > > A godfather is a mafia member who doesn’t test as mafia (they send others out to kill while remaining safe at home). I don’t think that would fit with this game’s mythos. Ah, ok. Thanks. And I agree with you in the end; nothing else for it. As far as him being so extraordinarily overpowered, though, **pedescribe** said specifically that that wasn’t the case. I’ll dig up the post… Post # 9: [QUOTE=pedescribe] Power roles will be a) pretty much inconsequential, and b) very few in number. [/QUOTE] **Seeker** , I don’t have any idea what you’re talking about, so telling me to keep thinking doesn’t help. What am I right about? ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/871 "2009-03-04T17:50:03Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > We have to assume that everyone here is acting rationally. **Seeker** has claimed to be a werewolf. **Seeker** wants to be lynched but not tested. If we assume that A. there’s a reason for this and B. we can’t think of a good Town reason for it, can someone explain to me why we should do what he says? Even if he’s telling the truth completely, shouldn’t we be a little more circumspect about blindly following along? There’s still time to talk about this a bit before we rush into it. There is no reason why we should do what Seeker wants us to. Luckily, no one seems persuaded by his ‘don’t test me’ thing. There’s very little reason I can see not to test him, and as **Telcontar** said, lynching a claimed werewolf is just good practice. > [@](#): > > Somebody help me out on what a Godfather is? A scum who, if investigated, comes up town. **Elendil** , you really have no comment on what’s going down other than you’ll ‘go with the majority’? ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/872 "2009-03-04T17:54:10Z")
**Jimmy** , I can’t do much more for you. Some of this you have to do yourself. As far as **Elendil** , well, I can’t _tell_ you outright, at least not yet. But it’s suspicious, nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/873 "2009-03-04T17:55:21Z")
> [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](#): > > I would pay very, very close attention to what’s being said now. Not all of it, just the important parts. > > I can’t say too much yet; I’ll have more information for you all after the Testerizer results. > > Again, I would encourage everyone to NOT test me. It would seem on the face of it that testing you then lynching would give very useful data on the way the Testerizer works. If you don’t think we should test you, you should explain why, in plain, simple and (above all) _verifiable_ terms. Otherwise, why should we believe you? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/874 "2009-03-04T18:06:10Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > If you don’t think we should test you, you should explain why, in plain, simple and (above all) _verifiable_ terms. Otherwise, why should we believe you? This is a bit of a fluff post, but I agree and have already said the same thing. **Seeker** , tell us what is going to happen if we test you. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/875 "2009-03-04T18:07:37Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > There is no reason why we should do what Seeker wants us to. Luckily, no one seems persuaded by his ‘don’t test me’ thing. There’s very little reason I can see not to test him, and as **Telcontar** said, lynching a claimed werewolf is just good practice. Right, I’m with you there, hence the rephrase. Is it really an incredible stretch to imagine that if, for some crazy-ass anti-town reason, if one _needed_ to be tested, he would suddenly come out with a whole bunch of bullshit about how what he really needed _not_ to be tested? In which case the fact that nobody is “persuaded” is kind of to be expected, because in reality everybody is persuaded? I don’t know. I guess in the long run it doesn’t do me any good to express reservations if I’m going to go along with the plan. I just hoped we could talk a little more about **Seeker’s** motivations, since I think they exist. **Seeker** , if you can’t tell us anything outright, tell us outright why you can’t tell us outright. I do not believe that you can’t be more forthcoming. That leads necessarily to the conclusion that you’re trying to mislead us. If you want an outcome, tell us why it’s good for town. **Elendil’s Heir** , whatever, man. If you don’t want to save yourself by occasionally doing something that actually helps the town, like talking about the game, suit yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/876 "2009-03-04T18:10:28Z")
> [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](#): > > As far as **Elendil** , well, I can’t _tell_ you outright, at least not yet. But it’s suspicious, nonetheless. Not _yet_? Will you be able to tell us when you’re dead, having asked us to render you thus? ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/877 "2009-03-04T18:15:40Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I don’t know. I guess in the long run it doesn’t do me any good to express reservations if I’m going to go along with the plan. I just hoped we could talk a little more about **Seeker’s** motivations, since I think they exist. > > **Seeker** , if you can’t tell us anything outright, tell us outright why you can’t tell us outright. I do not believe that you can’t be more forthcoming. That leads necessarily to the conclusion that you’re trying to mislead us. If you want an outcome, tell us why it’s good for town. I agree, I think we should try and figure out why Seeker is doing it, and check to make sure we aren’t being manipulated (well, obviously we are being manipulated somewhat, since Seeker is being bloody crazy. I think at this point asking Seeker to ‘talk to us’ is a bad idea, as he is clearly just spewing bull at this point! He’s not telling us wha’s going on and I think the safer thing to do is ignore everything he says and focus on 1) why come out now? 2) why demand not to be tested? > [@](#): > > **Elendil’s Heir** , whatever, man. If you don’t want to save yourself by occasionally doing something that actually helps the town, like talking about the game, suit yourself. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/878 "2009-03-04T18:23:43Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > This is a bit of a fluff post, but I agree and have already said the same thing. **Seeker** , tell us what is going to happen if we test you. I honestly don’t know. Seriously, I don’t know any more about the Testerizer than anyone else. It could come back two primary colors, it could come back two shades of primary colors, it could even come back with two color-names that add up to eight letters. I honestly have no idea, which is partly why I don’t want to be tested. > [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Not _yet_? Will you be able to tell us when you’re dead, having asked us to render you thus? I can tell you more after the test, before I’m lynched (if y’all decide to lynch me. I doubt I’ll be able to talk you out of it, but we’ll see). I’m actually going to switch this, based on some recent events: **Untest Telcontar** **Test Elendil’s Heir** ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/879 "2009-03-04T18:50:59Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > I agree, I think we should try and figure out why Seeker is doing it, and check to make sure we aren’t being manipulated (well, obviously we are being manipulated somewhat, since Seeker is being bloody crazy. > > I think at this point asking Seeker to ‘talk to us’ is a bad idea, as he is clearly just spewing bull at this point! He’s not telling us wha’s going on and I think the safer thing to do is ignore everything he says and focus on 1) why come out now? 2) why demand not to be tested? Yep, frankly I think it’s best to just proceed as normal without paying Seeker too much attention. I think we should keep with the test, and barring anything unexpected the lynch, but I wouldn’t apply too much analysis to what Seeker’s saying now if he (?) shows up Wolf as we suspect. Seems like a flareout of a scum player to me. Why else be cryptic? Riddles don’t help us out and just exhaust energy spent elsewhere. Seeker’s made it clear that no explanation is forthcoming until after the test we’re not supposed to do. However, on one point, I would like clarification, Seeker: Why Telcontar? He’s been the whipping boy for quite some time but the actual evidence or even justification of these votes has been scanty at best. Is he simply your next best hope of getting you out of the Testerizer (and noose) or do you have an actual reason? ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/880 "2009-03-04T19:27:34Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > \ > However, on one point, I would like clarification, Seeker: Why Telcontar? He’s been the whipping boy for quite some time but the actual evidence or even justification of these votes has been scanty at best. Is he simply your next best hope of getting you out of the Testerizer (and noose) or do you have an actual reason? If you’ll note, I’m currently voting to Testerizify **Elendil’s Heir.** My reasoning is thus: **EH** Hasn’t said much since his spectacular claim in the beginning, which I think he realized early on was a mistake. I think his keeping quiet is just a way to avoid making any other telling mistakes. I think we should all vote to Testerizify **Elendil’s Heir.** It makes the most sense to me now. Please, we’ll get better results than if you test me. Trust me on this one (although I know y’all have no reason to. Just try). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=45)