# Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692 "2009-02-13T15:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/941 "2009-03-05T02:04:14Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I’m not arguing that Seeker isn’t scum. I’m saying that we have a guaranteed lynch. We can either use that lynch now or we can hold off until we have a Day we’re unsure on, maybe the town is split evenly or maybe we’re in Lylo then we can use his lynch to buy us time. Look at it this way what do we gain from lynching him now? A dead wolf, we already got his colors we can still go back through his posts to look for trends. The only thing that is different about not lynching him is that he doesn’t achieve whatever his goal was in claiming. WIFOM. If I had a better theory for what the crap he may have been planning in the first place, I’d feel a lot better. Meanwhile, better one scum down now than later. vote Seeker ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/942 "2009-03-05T02:24:18Z")
SoT&B (7): Telcontar, fluiddruid, Jimmy Chitwood, [Undecided] Adrian, AllWalker, Justin Credible, Zeriel Telcontar (1): Oredigger77 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/943 "2009-03-05T02:28:10Z")
Well, Seeker is either a wolf or a ridiculous player. A move like that(claiming to be a wolf) was just weird. I still have a feeling he/she is trying to protect Telcontar, but I can’t figure out why unless both are wolves. **lynch Seeker** ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/944 "2009-03-05T02:44:02Z")
Hm, I don’t appear to have voted. **vote Seeker** At this point I am not confident enough in any other candidate. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/945 "2009-03-05T03:00:10Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Don’t worry, I find you suspicious :). Very suspicious. Where were you on the night of the 3rd, hmmm? Why is there blood on your shirt? You mean the 3rd Night? 😕 How long have I been asleep? 😃 Besides, I can prove my innocence. Last night I dreamt I was playing with a dog, and it bit me. See? Not a wolf. I demand a public apology in cake form. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/946 "2009-03-05T03:03:05Z")
SoT&B (9): Telcontar, fluiddruid, Jimmy Chitwood, [Undecided] Adrian, AllWalker, Justin Credible, Zeriel, Mahaloth, DaphneBlack Telcontar (1): Oredigger77 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/947 "2009-03-05T05:50:10Z")
I admit I haven’t been able to put the time, gray cells or experience to use in this game that other players seem to have. But I’m not a lurker or a semi-lurker, I just have a lot of irons in the fire right now. Hell, I should be sleeping and not posting on the SDMB _right now_. Still and all, I’ve heard nothing to dissuade me from suspecting **Seeker** , as I did when I cast my earlier vote, for the reasons stated by **Mahaloth** and **Justin Credible** and others. I have no reason at the moment to second-guess a strong consensus among other players. So… lynch Seeker ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/948 "2009-03-05T14:01:34Z")
SoT&B (10): Telcontar, fluiddruid, Jimmy Chitwood, [Undecided] Adrian, AllWalker, Justin Credible, Zeriel, Mahaloth, DaphneBlack, Elindil’s Heir Telcontar (1): Oredigger77 ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/949 "2009-03-05T14:37:12Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > 😛 > > You’re joking, though you don’t realize it. I think people are beginning to wake up to the difference between “a lot of people seem to find so and so suspicious” and “I should find so and so suspicious.” A lot of people find me suspicious, that is true. It is also true that they have jack reason to. If seeker is a wolf, we have good reason to be suspicious of you because you’re arguing to spare him despite pretty substantial reason not to. Doesn’t mean we should automatically assume that we’re right, but we should be suspicious. Two things really jump out at me here. First of all you’re right that just because the majority thinks a person is scummy doesn’t make them scummy, you could just look back at the last two days. But if the majority of people find you suspicious you are the leading person to get tested. The second was what I was saying; I am not the next on the block you are because more people find you suspicious. All though I do think its interesting you’re working on building a case on me so far just by saying that I am the next to be looked at. The second thing is that when Seeker turns up wolf the assumption that I am a wolf would have to take the logical leap that Seeker sacrificed himself to save another wolf, or cast suspicion on a townie, and I decided that I was going to sacrifice myself to try and save the sacrificial victim. You’ve got to be kidding me if you think that is even slightly likely. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/950 "2009-03-05T14:41:17Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IStill and all, I’ve heard nothing to dissuade me from suspecting **Seeker** , as I did when I cast my earlier vote, for the reasons stated by **Mahaloth** and **Justin Credible** and others. I have no reason at the moment to second-guess a strong consensus among other players. So… > > lynch Seeker bleached Ok seriously dude, I realize that this lynch is a lock with the confession and every thing but since we’re going on you third vote without any reasons why don’t you talk about some other people besides the one you’re voting for so we can at least see a trend leading up to your next reasonless vote. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/951 "2009-03-05T16:26:56Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > \ > > You may quote your role PM if you wish, but, given that they’re generic, it probably won’t be much help. In any event, NO TIMESTAMPS if you do. > \ I forgot to check on this yesterday; below is my Role PM quoted (although I got it in email; apparently I didn’t have my PMs turned on.) > [@](#): > > You are an ordinary Farmer. > > You’ve been living in this town all your life, feuding with the Ranchers. Now a bunch of two-bit werewolves think they can invade? Ha. You’ll push 'em out. You can deal with those pesky ranchers at the same time, make it easier. You win when all the werewolves are dead and the farmers outnumber the ranchers. It’s far too late to save my soul, but there you go. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/952 "2009-03-05T16:50:07Z")
Damn Seeker you’re good. Look I can do both of the role PMs: > [@pedescribe](#): > > I’m going to post the generic Rancher and Farmer PMs here, in order to avoid handshakes: > > You are an ordinary Rancher. > > You’ve been living in this town all your life, feuding with the Farmers. Now a bunch of two-bit werewolves think they can invade? Ha. You’ll push 'em out. You can deal with those pesky farmers at the same time, make it easier. You win when all the werewolves are dead and the ranchers outnumber the farmers. > > You are an ordinary Farmer. > > You’ve been living in this town all your life, feuding with the Ranchers. Now a bunch of two-bit werewolves think they can invade? Ha. You’ll push 'em out. You can deal with those pesky ranchers at the same time, make it easier. You win when all the werewolves are dead and the farmers outnumber the ranchers. ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/953 "2009-03-05T17:59:40Z")
Man, did I miss the back-half of an interesting day yesterday (real-time, not game time). As I mentioned, I’m on vacation so am stealing time to read/post, and am going to semi-stream of consciousness post now w/o trying to dig up specific quotes. Basically, I’m _not_ seeing \*\*Seeker \*\*as scum. Maybe this game is being played at a Machiavellian level that I wasn’t expecting as a newbie, but like others here I see no conceivable way that his actions benefits the wolves directly (him being an insane townie does indirectly benefit the wolves). But let’s think about it - we need to operate on the assumption that the game started 7/7/4. Even now, at 5/5/4, what possible reason would there be to sacrifice a wolf? We know there are no strong power roles. For them to go down to 5/5/3 just to cast suspicion on a different townie? Now look at from our side - as \*\*Daphne \*\*stated we have very few mislynches left. Any townie alive - even an insane one - is a plus for us. We don’t have the luxury of lynching people just because they’re pissing us off. I agree with \*\*Oredigger \*\*- 'tis better to keep \*\*Seeker \*\*around for a later time. So I would ask people to reconsider their lynch vote - if you truly believe Seeker is scum, then by all means vote for him. I can understand that. But if you are voting merely because it’s the popular thing to do ( **Elendil** ) or because you don’t like the insanity - is that the best vote? Really? All things considered? More to come in a short bit… ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/954 "2009-03-05T18:37:13Z")
A bit more… So who would I vote for? I’m actually not convinced that we need to vote for anyone today. You may recall that I said that \*\*Telcontar \*\*raised my suspicions partially because of his no-lynch posts, but I also specifically stated that it was only Day 1 that I felt that strategy was severely misguided. Now that we know more about the Testerizer (and how little we actually know about it), I don’t think we must lynch someone. First, my intuitions about the Testerizer: I’m of the mind (don’t remember who first posted it) that it is likely the Testerizer is basically a Wolf-tester only, and will come up w/ in essence random colors for any townie, regardless of Rancher/Farmer alignment. So until we’ve positively identified a wolf, it’s not gong to tell us anything. If - and a big if - \*\*Seeker \*\*is lynched and comes up wolf, then we’ve learned a ton. That (and killing a potential wolf) is a fantastic reason for lynching **Seeker**. But again, that’s only if he’s a wolf. If a townie, then we’ve learned nothing from the Testerizer and lost a townie. And as I stated before, I’m not convinced Seeker is a wolf. So for now, that’s why I’m not voting for \*\*Seeker \*\*to be lynched. So who else? High on my list is \*\*Telcontar \*\*- you’ll notice that while he’s saying everyone is voting for him “because everyone else says he’s suspicious”, I laid out some specific reasons why he pinged my radar. And I voted for him - to be Tested. Not to be lynched (yet). Just because someone’s posts are pinging my radar doesn’t mean I think they’re a wolf. And I also take into account something \*\*Daphne \*\*said that I think is true - **Telcontar** ’s got an arrogant attitude that rubs people wrong, myself included (it could be the way he’s decided to play himself as a wolf, but that’s too many layers for me to deal with right now). The combination of **Tel** ’s pointed statements/arguments as well as his attitude definitely calls attention to himself, but that’s not a strong enough reason to say “he’s a wolf”. Yet. So for now I’m taking a step back on **Telcontar**. But there’s another group that I find highly likely. I refer you to… > [@DaphneBlack](#): > > Of the lower levels of posting: > Medium suspicion: > MHaye (including Lemur, highest posting level in the ‘low group’), and the two lurkiest posters Zeriel and Elendil What’s funny about Daphne’s list is all 3 of them are also on my suspicious list. Two of which I pointed out in my post on page 17 (and \*\*Zeriel \*\*elsewhere), and the third ( **MHaye** ) I pointed out in a response to him (her?) that he yet again called out a specific alignment in a confusing and potentially suspicious manner. I’m positive that one or two of these three is a wolf (not such a grand statement, since it’s odds-on that one of them would be). But I’d be putting our focus here. Not going to vote yet, but I will in all likelihood vote for one of these three. ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/955 "2009-03-05T18:40:24Z")
NETA Forgot to wrap up what I started with…which is, I think we should discuss whether or not the town would benefit from \*\*not \*\*lynching toDay. Lastly - sorry for the thread dump, but again I’m going to have limited posting ability, so it will come haphazardly for next couple of days (real-time) ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/956 "2009-03-05T19:40:53Z")
> [@rexnervous](#): > > NETA > > Forgot to wrap up what I started with…which is, I think we should discuss whether or not the town would benefit from \*\*not \*\*lynching toDay. Well, I can certainly see the benefit there, since, if **Seeker** is (now) telling the truth, we’ll be lynching another townie. But, what if we don’t lynch him, or anyone? We’ll never know, and we’ll have essentially wasted today’s test. Plus, I personally don’t believe that he is just an ordinary farmer. But, I’ll think about it. I still have a day or so to change my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/957 "2009-03-05T19:44:22Z")
I don’t think its time to not lynch. We’re only on Day 3 which is only the halfway point in that shortest possible game, in other words we are still gathering information. What I don’t think we should do is have another unanimous vote for the scum to hide in, vote analysis is very important and is a good source of information. Other sources of information are looking through posts for inconsistencies in the ideas that put forth. Not necessarily people putting forth ‘bad’ ideas but people who are trying to play both sides of the fence or are always sitting on it. Not lynching limits the information that we have and forces us to act toMarrow without any more information other then a night kill. We need to lynch still, the way we are going we are headed for a lylo situation and need to save the ability to wait a Day until then. ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/958 "2009-03-05T19:58:53Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > snip… > > toMarrow Why do you keep saying “toMarrow”? Is that an inside joke? A simple mispelling? Or is that how wolves refer to “toMorrow”? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/959 "2009-03-05T20:02:11Z")
I mean the Day after toDAy. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/960 "2009-03-05T20:17:41Z")
> [@rexnervous](#): > > Why do you keep saying “toMarrow”? Is that an inside joke? A simple mispelling? Or is that how wolves refer to “toMorrow”? 🙂 No, it’s a convention we use around here to distinguish meatspace time periods from Mafia ones. The word “Day” (capitalised) means “this game day.” This may be ambiguous if the word starts a sentence. if it’s not capitalised, it means the real-word day. So if I write “I’m going to have to wait until tomorrow to look at Today’s activity” it means that I’ll have to wait until the next real-life day to get at the action of the current game Day. Simple really. If I want to refer to the next game Day, I write “Tomorrow” (and not toMorrow, as some do, because that’s ugly.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=49)