# Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692 "2009-02-13T15:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1141 "2009-03-11T14:26:35Z")
Telcontar (5): Mahaloth, Justin Credible, Jimmy Chitwood, Zeriel, Oredigger77 Oredigger77 (5): Telcontar, Allwalker, Fluiddruid, DaphneBlack, Elendil’s Heir Elendil’s Heir (1): rexnervous Zeriel (1): MHaye Telcontar (3): Mahaloth, Justin Credible, Jimmy Chitwood Justin Credible (1): DaphneBlack Oredigger77 (1): Fluiddruid MHaye (1): Zeriel Elendil’s Heir (1): rexnervous DaphneBlack (1): Elendil’s Heir :smack: :D:D:D ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1142 "2009-03-11T14:34:42Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > …Wow, thanks for that reasoning there. This is why you’re number 1 on my list. Don’t see how my shift in vote is any different from what other players are doing to avert a tie, or why it would draw this snide remark. Whatever, dude. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1143 "2009-03-11T14:37:39Z")
OK, then. Rex and MHaye, if either of you suspect Telcontar or Oredigger, would you be willing to switch your test vote to one of them? ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1144 "2009-03-11T14:54:42Z")
Ugh, I don’t like this at all, but since it looks like we need it I will **untest Elendil’s Heir** **test Telcontar** I wouldn’t (clearly) have voted for either of them - I think there are far more suspicious people (at least a couple) that we should have gone for. But of the two, \*\*Telcontar \*\*has been more suspicious - the problem is that he’s become less so over past Day or so in my mind. I don’t have any kind of read on **Oredigger**. ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1145 "2009-03-11T14:58:45Z")
On second thought, I probably should’ve left it up to the coin flip. But I don’t want to upset the moderator…he’s got all kinds of special powers. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1146 "2009-03-11T15:21:25Z")
To review: Seeker, ordinary rancher: BLACK then PURPLE Freudian Slit, ordinary rancher: AQUA then TEAL November, ordinary farmer: GREEN then RED Test is noon right? Is that EST? ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1147 "2009-03-11T15:27:28Z")
Seeker was a farmer, I believe ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1148 "2009-03-11T15:30:13Z")
> [@rexnervous](#): > > Seeker was a farmer, I believe Ah yes, quite right. Seeker, ordinary farmer: BLACK then PURPLE Freudian Slit, ordinary rancher: AQUA then TEAL November, ordinary farmer: GREEN then RED So, no one ever bothered to articulate a case against me and I’m the vote leader? Most strange. I’m sure it was a nice herd… ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1149 "2009-03-11T15:53:03Z")
I decided to take a different track on this then I previously stated. I wanted to gather the whole argument against me instead of just focusing on AllWalker. So What I’m going to do is group the voting and explanation posts based on their argument and then try and argue them. Let’s see how this goes. 1st: The not reason given votes; > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Oh, all right. But I think I’ll regret it. > > untest DaphneBlack > test Oredigger77 > [@AllWalker](#): > > We can all change our votes later, but for now we need to turn up the heat. > > In _that_ spirit… > Test Oredigger To be fair this was later explained but I’ll get to that. 2nd: I don’t like my choises but since someone’s got to go; > [@DaphneBlack](#): > > I’m up for changing my vote to avoid a tie and to avoid allowing the wolves to dominate the voting. Neither of the two who are currently tied are amongst my major suspects, although I’ve had mild suspicions of both at times. I’ll leave my lynch vote alone for now, though I of course may change it later too. > > Of the two cases currently on the table, I think Oredigger has been slightly more anti-town than Telcontar over all. So > > untest Justin Credible > test Oredigger > > If Oredigger matches any townie result we’ve had, I will not vote to lynch him. Otherwise I think we should carry on the discussion without regarding the test as indicating anything in particular. 3rd: Now we come to the posts with reasons, bad strategy. > [@fluiddruid](#): > > So far, I think the most compelling candidate is Oredigger. In particular, I’d like to reprise one of his quotes: > > This doesn’t make sense. They’ve left an investigative role alive this long, with results unrevealed to the town; unless they simultaneously take out Zeriel, it doesn’t make sense to be caught in such an obvious lie. Frankly, as much as I hate to say it (because lying is such a strong scum tell generally) it does make sense, in endgame, for townies to lie about their roles in certain circumstances, since getting rid of the opposite faction is just as much a part of their win condition as getting rid of wolves. Yes, I think it’s unwise to do so early but there’s a reason why there’s been lack of traction for your idea of a mass-claim: it’s simply not a pro-town idea. Bringing the factions forward is only going to weaken town, not strengthen it, and you’ve been fumbling about for a reason for the town to do so. > [@AllWalker](#): > > But then there is the strategy posts. For both **Seeker** and **FS** Oredigger argued against voting for these people - once their vote counts were so high that lynching was almost guaranteed. It certainly looks good, defending people who turn out to be innocent - but the wolves _knew_ that they were innocent, and that trying to save them was likely a lost cause. > [@Telcontar](#): > > For the moment: > > test Oredigger77 > > You’re advocated some really bad ideas over the last two days and I’m beginning to think it’s intentional. You weren’t an early vote against Freudian, which counts in your favor (I think) but your play over the last two days is enough for now. Well there all agree that my strategy is bad but they all point out different strategies, first off is that dividing the town is bad, the second is that I am defending townies looking to build cred (which I’ll admit is horrible strategy), and then the third is over all. I think that unless the town narrows the pool for the scum to hide in we will never catch them, at least not based on how we’ve done so far. Until we get to the end game the farmer/rancher divide doesn’t matter and since only one investigator remains (I’m guessing because the other hasn’t come forwards after repeated requests) whatever side Z is on is probably going to win if we ever get down to one wolf remaining. I don’t see someone who wants to win saying that they would rather lynch a member of the opposite faction then someone of their own that they think is a wolf. It might be used as a tie breaker but the rest of the town is still there to decided overall so one person’s tie breaker doesn’t matter. But besides thinking that my reasons are correct Fluid’s accusations are right on. AllWalker’s argument is a little bit more interesting. I went back a read Day 2 to look for me defending FS, which I didn’t remember doing. I started off say that the testerizer was complicated and we needed to ignore it and then proposed the mass claim. For the next three posts I debated the mass claim and then voted for Seeker based on Day 1 suspicions, which we WAY off base apparently. Then I defend my vote on Seeker and clarify my vote to Pede in the next two. So finally I get to my defending FS because in the space of 4 posts FS picked up 2 votes from a three-way tie. A little fluff. Then I clarify why I think the way FS was bandwagoned was suspicious, rereading it, it still looks contrived. I had to post again to correct my vote. Just before the test results I questions Telcontar’s random unvoting of FS. So I spent two posts saying that it looked like FS had been bandwagoned and I am defending a townie when the lynch count it so high that its guaranteed? FS was in the lead by two votes above a two way tie for second you’ve got to be kidding, because you wouldn’t exaggerate for effect would you? The second part of AllWalker’s case is that I was defending Seeker, I wasn’t. I thought Seeker was a wolf, I simply thought that we should have used him as an insurance policy. It’s a good thing we didn’t because lynching a townie is a horrible insurance policy. Not much I can say on this one I was wrong, but only because Seeker was town. Telcontar just thinks I’ve had some bad ideas over the last two Days and that is enough to vote for me but his bad idea isn’t enough to vote for him. I guess one is Ok but two makes you scum. That consistency of logic is why I’m voting for him. 4th: Hey, let’s throw it at the wall and see if it sticks: > [@fluiddruid](#): > > You’ve been pinging me for a little while, and looking back you’re repeatedly bringing up the farmer/rancher split – to the point of phrasing the discussion consistently as farmer/rancher/wolf, instead of town/wolf. I’d like to know what you’re about, since it feels to me like you are trying to divide the town prematurely, and without any benefit that I can conceive. > > test Oredigger77 > vote Oredigger77 > [@AllWalker](#): > > It has been brought to my attention that my case against **Oredigger** was, well, lacking, so here goes… > > Oredigger falls into the catagory of high poster/low suspicion. But so do others, and there are plenty with less suspicion, so this reason is only part of it. > > There is quite a lot of fluff and testeriser talk from Oredigger - talking about the testeriser is a good way for wolves to look like they are contributing, but really it is just pointless speculation at this point. Basically this is the category for the rest of their posts that didn’t have to do with the main accusation. AllWalker goes after the fact that I haven’t drawn suspicion as a reason to be suspicious and thinks that I’m posting a high ratio of fluff to information and talking about the testerizer too much. I spent the first Day and a half talking about the testerizer like everyone else because there wasn’t much else to talk about and I don’t think that that is in anyway a scum tell or he must have everyone not lurking on his suspect list. As for the Fluff, I don’t think that has been my issue and would like to see him back that up with some data instead of baseless accusation. I think I answered Fluid’s questions about my bringing up farmer/rancher status but if she wants I’d be happy to keep going on. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1150 "2009-03-11T15:53:54Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > Sorry, I’ll clarify. You voted for Justin Credible without a reason in your post; that’s why I quoted you, but the discussion regarding posting a list of suspects occurred upthread. I was citing your post as an example of a vote that isn’t constructive because it doesn’t give a reason. That wasn’t clear; I apologize. This is a bit water under the bridge at this point, but did you miss the case I made for him earlier, when I voted to test him? Or does that not count for some reason? Re: one-off votes. I agree they aren’t terribly helpful late in the day, but early on I don’t see them as a harm, if you are trying to get people to consider an alternative. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1151 "2009-03-11T15:56:21Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > So, no one ever bothered to articulate a case against me and I’m the vote leader? Most strange. I’m sure it was a nice herd… And this is why I was trying to get the town to consider everyone, or at least some people we haven’t looked at. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1152 "2009-03-11T15:57:50Z")
Oh, as i argued many days ago it makes sense to have a role claim immediately prior to testing: Ordinary Rancher. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1153 "2009-03-11T15:58:08Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Oh, all right. But I think I’ll regret it. > > untest DaphneBlack > test Oredigger77 > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Don’t see how my shift in vote is any different from what other players are doing to avert a tie, or why it would draw this snide remark. Whatever, dude. :rolleyes: Ok so you decided to vote to avert a tie, I get that. Any reason how you decided to break that tie? As for the snide remark you’re the only tie breaker that went my direction without a reason so I wanted a case I could rebut. I got a response from you with the remake but nothing that I can argue. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1154 "2009-03-11T16:00:44Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > So, no one ever bothered to articulate a case against me and I’m the vote leader? Most strange. I’m sure it was a nice herd… I’ve just got online, even though I should be jobsearching right now. Bother you putting your clocks forward! Telcontar, that is a prime example of the case that _has_ been made against you, which is that you ignore cases made against you. **Unvote testing Zeriel**. I make the test vote 6/5. I’m the only one without a vote right now. I don’t mind which of the candidates goes into the Testerizer; I _do_ mind a tie. I’m not going to place a vote so (a) we don’t tie and (b) if I were to vote for Telcontar, that somone cannot force a tie by switching. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1155 "2009-03-11T16:02:14Z")
Telcontar (6): Mahaloth, Justin Credible, Jimmy Chitwood, Zeriel, Oredigger77, rexnervous Oredigger77 (5): Telcontar, Allwalker, Fluiddruid, DaphneBlack, Elendil’s Heir Telcontar (3): Mahaloth, Justin Credible, Jimmy Chitwood Justin Credible (1): DaphneBlack Oredigger77 (1): Fluiddruid MHaye (1): Zeriel Elendil’s Heir (1): rexnervous DaphneBlack (1): Elendil’s Heir The testerizer made a bunch of random noises, then turned Brown then Green . Good day. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1156 "2009-03-11T16:29:14Z")
Hey, a second green. Oh wait you’re an ordinary rancher not a farmer. Yep the machine is busted. Now comes the fun part of arguing if we want to lynch you. Personally I’m against it. I think we need to lynch the scummiest and to me that is EH. I voted for Tel because he is my number two and that way if the town does lynch him because of being tested I’m not upset. Not to mention that my case for not lynching the testee is much stronger if I’m not the testee. Vote EH ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1157 "2009-03-11T17:11:25Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Telcontar, that is a prime example of the case that _has_ been made against you, which is that you ignore cases made against you. Which were? Where are these cases I keep hearing about? What is the argument to lynch me, really? 1.) I went after Daphne with very little reason Response: It was the first day, we all had very little reason. My case amounted to being uncomfortable with her dominating the discussion. People are still making the case against her even now. Should I be penalized for getting their first? Wild accusations are the norm in mafia. The game gets serious close to lynchings and close to the end, but that’s it. 2.) I was defending seeker on days two and three (pre claim). this clearly shows we’re working together. Response: My defense of seeker was that he was innocent but playing wildly because he was new. Both his innocence and his wild play style were proven yesterday. Perhaps I should have claimed farmer, then I could say that we were on the same team after all 😛 (was tempted to just to see what Zeriel would say, but this game is crazy enough). 3.) I didn’t want to lynch the first day. Response: Covered ad nausem. 4.) Various people linked to me have died. Response: They said the same about Clinton :-P. **Oredigger77** posted something about an hour ago saying that it was odd that I was blaming him for his bad ideas but expecting people not to hold my one bad idea against me. Eh. I still maintain that we shouldn’t have lynched the first day; killing november was useless and it was pretty clear it was going to be useless even before we did it. We certainly shouldn’t lynch tomorrow unless we kill a wolf today. So I’m not conceding my idea was bad. On the other hand I think **Oredigger77** ’s discussion yesterday was pretty clearly horribly wrong. I also think that defending seeker at that point would be a great way for a wolf to establish town cred; there was no danger of it working. > [@MHaye](#): > > I don’t mind which of the candidates goes into the Testerizer; I _do_ mind a tie. > > I’m not going to place a vote so (a) we don’t tie and (b) if I were to vote for Telcontar, that somone cannot force a tie by switching. That’s anti town (also wrong for obvious reasons). Not casting a vote is utterly useless to the town. Note: Townspeople: 8 Wolves: 4 You don’t need many confused townspeople to let the wolves pick the winner (two, in fact, for a tie). This is why I’m going to sit on a lynch vote for a bit. Not voting is almost worse than stupid voting because stupid voting at least has a chance to be right. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1158 "2009-03-11T17:59:31Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I think we need to lynch the scummiest and to me that is EH. I voted for Tel because he is my number two and that way if the town does lynch him because of being tested I’m not upset. Not to mention that my case for not lynching the testee is much stronger if I’m not the testee. > > Vote EH I have to say, EH is not in my top 4(that’s about all I have for suspects), yet I keep hearing that people suspect him/her. I’m sure it’s in the previous 23 pages, but would someone summarize for me? **Zeriel** is still suspicious to me, by the way(my vote is currently for Telcontar). Back when he revealed he was a cop/investigator, I could have sworn he said he was positive that the wolves have farmer/rancher roles. I feel like I haven’t heard this from him since. Is this right, Zeriel? Were you told this for sure? I’ll look for the post where he said this. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1159 "2009-03-11T18:06:19Z")
At this point I really think lynching **Telcontar** would be a mistake. **Oredigger** has been pretty anti-town all along, but I’ve never been able to see any scummy motivation that would make his anti-townness a good scum play. I don’t see his defence of Seeker that way, perhaps because I seem to have thought along the same lines. Nothing Seeker did made sense, but it made even less sense for a wolf. I can’t fault anyone on how they handled that situation, really, though. Can I interest anybody in discussing lynching a candidate from the semi-lurking pool? In a game where the town has shown a propensity for going after each other (this one def. fits that), I see no reason for the scum to stick their neck out and post a lot. But we’ve pretty consistently ignored as a serious candidate anyone who posts less than **Oredigger**. 1. (at least one, and probably more) scum will have kept quiet to avoid suspicion 2. we don’t have any real possibility for decent vote analysis (although, as Telcontar has pointed out, there might be something in the _order_ in which people jumped on bandwagons) 3. because they have a medium amount of posts, post analysis looking for scummy behaviour in that group might be more likely to yield helpful results Anyone? Counterarguments welcome. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1160 "2009-03-11T18:20:59Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > That’s anti town (also wrong for obvious reasons). Not casting a vote is utterly useless to the town. This is simple bad analysis. It’s not reading what I actually wrote. I had no particular opinion, one way or another, about whether to test you or Oredigger. Either was fine with me. At the time I’d caught up with the voting everyone but me had voted for one of the two of you, and the voting stood at 6/5. My options.[ol][li]Keep my vote where it stood.[/li][li]Vote for Oredigger.[/li][li]Vote for Telcontar (ie you).[/li][li]Not vote.[/ol]Keeping my vote would have been silly. The test vote was there to be seen. If Zeriel had been a realistic candidate for testing, I’d happily have left my vote on him, but he was not so I did not.[/li] Voting for Oredigger would have led to a tie. One of the things I had caught in my pass through today’s posts is that Pedescribe had no plan for resolving ties for testing. Allowing a tie is, therefore, fundamentally anti-Town. Random choice is never a good thing for Town-aligned players. I wanted the choice to be a choice, and not the result of a coinflip by the Mod. So, as things stood when I started typing, there was no chance of a vote for Oredigger. Vote for you. That would have had the advantage of opening the gap to 7/5. The downside (and this is what I think you are missing) is that, by doing so I would create a condition whereby anyone with an interest in chaos could unvote you and vote Oredigger. Bingo! Instant tie! I wanted to make the gap a an odd number of votes so that anyone actually interested in forcing a tie would have to unvote you without revoting. The best tool I had to do that was not to vote for either you or Oredigger. Had I made that post a couple of minutes earlier, I would have been watching li,e a hawk with a vote post ready to go and break ties should someone have tried it. No-one did. Considered in the light of the need to avoid ties, I don’t agree that my non-vote was anti-Town. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=59)