# Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692 "2009-02-13T15:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1321 "2009-03-18T13:34:50Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Yes, I am reading what you write, I’m just totally unimpressed. Your point against Mhaye is ONE THING in ONE POST. Don’t you think you should have a little more to go on in a game in it’s fourth week? I think a likely scum slip is a likely scum slip, it only takes one. Or would you rather I spouted lots of useless verbiage rather than one precisely focused point. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1322 "2009-03-18T13:36:16Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’m not trying to distract us or draw attention to anything that isn’t important, but since it’s about 5 hours to the test and I don’t even feel the test is all that important, I thought I’d ask. > > Is anyone putting a serious effort into solving the testerizer? I’ll be frank and admit I’m not, because I can’t get a read on it. > > I don’t want to waste time discussing it since it seems fruitless, but has anyone come close to a theory or breakthrough? I have a feeling that if we do test a wolf that it will likely fall into place. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1323 "2009-03-18T14:30:52Z")
Apparently I screwed up my coloring when I voted for MHaye so let me try that again. Vote MHaye I’ll leave the lynch vote in place because I don’t have a better candidate that’s receiving votes but I just wanted people to know it was unintentional. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1324 "2009-03-18T15:50:43Z")
Justin Credible (4): Telcontar, Mhaye, rexnervous, AllWalker MHaye (4): Zeriel, Mahaloth, Justin Credible, Oredigger77 Mhaye (1): Oredigger77 Due to events beyond my control (class), the deadline for the Testerizer will be moved to 4:00 PM EDT. The lynch deadline will not change. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1325 "2009-03-18T15:55:16Z")
**Fluiddruid** , you still in this thing and gonna vote? **Jimmy**? Gonna vote? I’m not dedicated to testing MHaye and am willing to change my test vote to break a tie. Ummm…I think I will be able to check before 4:00 EDT, but don’t consider it scum if I don’t check in. I have to go to a funeral home for a co-worker later in the day. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1326 "2009-03-18T16:00:42Z")
I was a little surprised by this: > [@Oredigger77](#): > > Apparently I screwed up my coloring when I voted for MHaye so let me try that again. > > Vote MHaye > > I’ll leave the lynch vote in place because I don’t have a better candidate that’s receiving votes but I just wanted people to know it was unintentional. As we discussed up top, Mhaye’s voting last round was at least very likely pro town behavior. Also, don’t anyone do something silly. Tie votes just result in a coin flip. This is undesirable, but not overly so. Now if **Jimmy Chitwood** and **Fluiddruid** would be kind enough to make an appearance… ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1327 "2009-03-18T16:04:53Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’m not dedicated to testing MHaye and am willing to change my test vote to break a tie. Ummm…I think I will be able to check before 4:00 EDT, but don’t consider it scum if I don’t check in. I have to go to a funeral home for a co-worker later in the day. > [@pedescribe](#): > > Okay, seriously–I’ll flip a coin. But could you guys please not tie it? I’d be ever so grateful. What’s so bad about ties? Seriously, I just don’t get it. If you believe someone should be tested, vote for them. \*\*pedescribe \*\*would probably love it if we didn’t tie it, but if he has to flip a coin it isn’t the end of the world. The only people who should be saying “well this one is fine, or this one, or this one” are the wolves. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1328 "2009-03-18T16:07:38Z")
Well, but a clear vote is better than a tie, at any rate. My vote was mostly intended to get **MHaye** involved, and he has done so, so I’m less committed to that avenue. On the other hand, I think **Justin** ’s candidacy for a test is pretty strong. He was suspected by who we know now were innocents. He hasn’t really taken any extremely pro-town positions. He’s been fairly passive. This in addition to what has been pointed out in the cases made above. One other thing that has been striking me but I couldn’t really put a name to until just now was the amount of times he has ‘climbed aboard’ with his votes. Sort of a “nothing to see here, just dropping the old ballot in the box.” I don’t like it. I don’t know what color I need to use to unvote an orange vote, so **pedescribe** , assuming my **MHaye** vote was invalid, I’m going to go ahead with **Test Justin Credible** ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1329 "2009-03-18T16:19:43Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > I was a little surprised by this: > > As we discussed up top, Mhaye’s voting last round was at least very likely pro town behavior. I have no idea why you would be surprised by me wanting to test the person I was voting to lynch, if anything you should have been surprised to see I was voting to lynch without testing. I know I was. I disagree that MHaye’s vote was likely pro-town. I understand what he’s said about being there to insure there was no tie but after he has spend the entire game avoiding the one scum we know about, while the rest of us interacted with EH, strikes me as scummy. At the very least I think it cancels out not voting. I also don’t see the case about Justin so with a lack of other good choices I’m happy where I’m at. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1330 "2009-03-18T16:49:59Z")
Justin Credible (5): Telcontar, Mhaye, rexnervous, AllWalker, Jimmy Chitwood MHaye (4): Zeriel, Mahaloth, Justin Credible, Oredigger77 Mhaye (1): Oredigger77 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1331 "2009-03-18T19:49:15Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > What’s so bad about ties? Seriously, I just don’t get it. I didn’t say anything was bad about a tie for a test. I simply said that if people don’t want a tie, I’m willing to remove my vote since MHaye was not my top suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1332 "2009-03-18T20:05:01Z")
TESTERIZATION RESULTS: SUBJECT–JUSTIN CREDIBLE COLORS: YELLOW PURPLE There ya go. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1333 "2009-03-18T20:21:51Z")
Bloody hell. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1334 "2009-03-18T20:26:57Z")
OK, purple is a repeat of a **Seeker** result. Yellow is I believe a repeat of nothing. So basically, we’ve learned nothing? (Unrelated, but looking back over the thread, I noticed **Seeker** got banned!) ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1335 "2009-03-18T20:41:44Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > OK, purple is a repeat of a **Seeker** result. > Yellow is I believe a repeat of nothing. So basically, we’ve learned nothing? I’m not sure. I long ago discarded the hypothesis that the actual colours meant anything, and have been playing around with various ideas regarding the length of the words and so on. It’s just occurred to me that I might have been overcomplicating it, trying to make it tell us whether the player is farmer or rancher. We have investigators for that. What we _don’t_ have is someone who can tell us who is Town and who is Werewolf. I think that’s what the Testerizer was put in place to do. I looked at today’s result and one thing stood out. The test Today is the first where the colours have appeared in reverse alphabetical order. The first three days.G - R : November, a Townie A - T : Freudian Slit, a Townie B - P : Seeker of Truth and Beauty, a TownieCould it be that simple? Townies have colours in alphabetical order, Werewolves in reverse alphabetical order? We’d have to lynch Justin to find out. I need to think of the risks and benefits of that. > [@](#): > > (Unrelated, but looking back over the thread, I noticed **Seeker** got banned!) An ATMB thread identifies him as a sock. The other game is the one with the problem; he’s still playing in there. (Sachertorte has noticed.) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1336 "2009-03-18T20:45:17Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > An ATMB thread identifies him as a sock. > > ) Is a sock someone who re-registers as a guest or has multiple accounts or something like that? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1337 "2009-03-18T20:54:07Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Is a sock someone who re-registers as a guest or has multiple accounts or something like that? Sock (from sock puppet) is someone who registers under multiple screen names. It’s an auto-ban offence, although if the sock posts acknowledging him- or her- self to be (some old name), the Mods usually allow them to merge the two accounts rather than ban them. It’s people who hide the act that get banned when found. ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1338 "2009-03-18T22:11:30Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I’m not sure. > > I long ago discarded the hypothesis that the actual colours meant anything, and have been playing around with various ideas regarding the length of the words and so on. > > It’s just occurred to me that I might have been overcomplicating it, trying to make it tell us whether the player is farmer or rancher. We have investigators for that. What we _don’t_ have is someone who can tell us who is Town and who is Werewolf. I think that’s what the Testerizer was put in place to do. > > I looked at today’s result and one thing stood out. The test Today is the first where the colours have appeared in reverse alphabetical order. > > The first three days.G - R : November, a Townie > A - T : Freudian Slit, a Townie > B - P : Seeker of Truth and Beauty, a TownieCould it be that simple? Townies have colours in alphabetical order, Werewolves in reverse alphabetical order? > > We’d have to lynch Justin to find out. I need to think of the risks and benefits of that. And Telcontar’s test B - G (Brown Green) Of course, we don’t know Tel’s faction That is the first truly useful data point I think we have. By Jove, you just may have done it. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1339 "2009-03-18T22:30:16Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > It’s just occurred to me that I might have been overcomplicating it, trying to make it tell us whether the player is farmer or rancher. We have investigators for that. What we _don’t_ have is someone who can tell us who is Town and who is Werewolf. I think that’s what the Testerizer was put in place to do. Very good point. Staring out at the apparent randomness I began to think it would make much more sense for there to be one signal in there rather than two. Also pede’s assurance that november’s test result was appropriate for a farmer (even though pede had mistakenly thought him a rancher) suggests this might be true. > [@MHaye](#): > > I looked at today’s result and one thing stood out. The test Today is the first where the colours have appeared in reverse alphabetical order. > > The first three days.G - R : November, a Townie > A - T : Freudian Slit, a Townie > B - P : Seeker of Truth and Beauty, a TownieCould it be that simple? Townies have colours in alphabetical order, Werewolves in reverse alphabetical order? It’s not a bad thought. It’s the only pattern I currently see. > [@rexnervous](#): > > And Telcontar’s test > > B - G (Brown Green) > > Of course, we don’t know Tel’s faction > > That is the first truly useful data point I think we have. By Jove, you just may have done it. I’m always suspicious when things are fitting together a little too neatly. This isn’t a bad testerizer theory, but there’s no way to know how reliable it is. I really wish it hadn’t come from a suspicious player currently under threat. Still, I’m inclined to lynch Justin for the same reasons i wanted to test him. so until further notice: lynch justin what’s up with fluiddruid? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1340 "2009-03-18T22:48:56Z")
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