# Werewolf (Mafia)--The Split \[Signups--In progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692 "2009-02-13T15:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1461 "2009-03-26T01:02:40Z")
No Lynch (1): Oredigger77 Jimmy Chitwood (1): Telcontar ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1462 "2009-03-26T01:15:24Z")
So how’s that work? Higher score wins between me and nobody? ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1463 "2009-03-26T03:40:10Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > But do you have a case you can summarize about Jimmy? Until very recently, **Jimmy was keeping a fairly low profile. I can’t seem to find a single instance where he stuck his neck out about something. The last two Days he’s really picked up, and I’m finding that to be very odd. My read on this game is that the wolves were coasting for a long time because villagers were doing a good job accusing each other. Now things are really starting to turn against the wolves, so they have to speak up and regain control (it would take remarkably little luck for the villagers to win this fast). Jimmy** fits that pattern. The only point in his favor is that he voted to test\*\* justin\*\*. But, given how quickly\*\* justin \*\*gave up all pretense of being innocent post test, i’m getting the feeling that the wolves considered him a lost cause, so voting against him in the test would be a cheap way to establish town cred. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1464 "2009-03-26T04:14:43Z")
(_Telcontar has replaced his case against Jimmy with a steaming cup of recycled BS that he can’t substantiate or defend. Let’s see if Town notices the difference._ ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1465 "2009-03-26T06:50:50Z")
I’m not sure I feel comfortable lynching an untested individual at this point. I mean, we (probably) have the testeriser working for us, and can afford to skip a Day, right? Well, now is the time to cash that in. A vote for pacifism is a vote for Town!\* **No lynch** \*I’m making bumper stickers ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1466 "2009-03-26T13:05:06Z")
I might be OK with a no lynch test, but I want to go ahead and make my vote. I may change it later, but here it is. **lynch fluiddruid/Adrian II** ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1467 "2009-03-26T14:33:45Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > (_Telcontar has replaced his case against Jimmy with a steaming cup of recycled BS that he can’t substantiate or defend. Let’s see if Town notices the difference._ You’re were one of the least involved players for the first two thirds of the game. Besides, you look wolfish. I could see tears when justin and EH died. We should send you to join them so you can all be happy together again. Blood! Blood! ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1468 "2009-03-26T14:52:21Z")
No Lynch (2): Oredigger77, Allwalker Jimmy Chitwood (1): Telcontar [Undecided] Adrian the II (1): Mahaloth ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1469 "2009-03-26T18:08:38Z")
Well? A lot of people need to chime in with opinions about the lynch. We can’t let the game dwindle down to minimal conversation just because we are nearing the end. What does everyone think about the “no lynch” concept for today? Have anyone you want to lynch instead? Thoughts? Feelings? Anything? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1470 "2009-03-26T19:08:52Z")
Assuming that there are exactly two Werewolves left, this game has 2 to 3 Days left to run its course (including Today) if we lynch every time and that the Werewolves don’t fail at the kill. The game will end either when we eliminate the last Wolf (by lynching) or when the Wolves equalise numbers, which will happen with a Nightkill. If we take a single No Lynch, then the Wolf win also happens on a lynch. The advantage of that for the Town is that we get one last use out of the Testerizer before the final lynch. I’d thus be comfortable with a No Lynch Today. As for dealing with the problem of the game slowing up as numbers drop and our more loquacious players are killed out, I would suggest shrinking the time between Dawns. ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1471 "2009-03-26T20:27:24Z")
I like the proposal of shortening Days and Nights, I don’t think there is as much to discuss anymore. I also think we shouldn’t lynch anyone today. **Vote No Lynch** ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1472 "2009-03-26T20:43:29Z")
No Lynch (3): Oredigger77, Allwalker, [Undecided] Adrian the II Jimmy Chitwood (1): Telcontar [Undecided] Adrian the II (1): Mahaloth ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1473 "2009-03-26T21:15:50Z")
**No Lynch**. I don’t want to get killed. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1474 "2009-03-26T21:40:05Z")
**Vote No Lynch** ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1475 "2009-03-27T13:42:59Z")
**Vote No Lynch** ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1476 "2009-03-27T13:54:13Z")
Ummm . . . I know that Tel is pseudo-confirmed town but we think there are two wolves remaining and there are two people who don’t like the no lynch idea. I think mahaloth is rising in my suspicions. Just noticed something interesting and figured I’d point it out. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1477 "2009-03-27T14:04:18Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Ummm . . . I know that Tel is pseudo-confirmed town but we think there are two wolves remaining and there are two people who don’t like the no lynch idea. I think mahaloth is rising in my suspicions. Just noticed something interesting and figured I’d point it out. Oh, come on. If Tel is pseudo-confirmed as town, then so am I. We both got tested and both came out alphabetical. I was voting fluiddruid because I felt he was the main suspect. Not anymore, though. **unvote fluiddruid/Adrian II** **vote Oredigger** ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1478 "2009-03-27T14:07:18Z")
No Lynch (6): Oredigger77, Allwalker, [Undecided] Adrian the II, Jimmy Chitwood, rexnervous, MHaye Jimmy Chitwood (1): Telcontar Oredigger77(1): Mahaloth ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1479 "2009-03-27T14:20:34Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Ummm . . . I know that Tel is pseudo-confirmed town but we think there are two wolves remaining and there are two people who don’t like the no lynch idea. I think mahaloth is rising in my suspicions. Just noticed something interesting and figured I’d point it out. **mahaloth** is also pseudo confirmed innocent. I want to kill primarily because 1.) I don’t think it hurts the villagers as a whole 2.) anything that helps end the game earlier helps my faction 3.) we’re a fragging lynch mob, killing people is what we do. Anyway, in the even that i’m not around tomorrow i have really good feelings about \*\*rex \*\*and **oredigger77** , and I trust the test results of **mahaloth**. That means that, from my perspective, dawn tomorrow would see Innocent: **Mahaloth Oredigger77 Rexnervous** Potentially guilty: **Allwalker [Undecided] Adrian the II Jimmy Chitwood MHaye** If I’m right about **oredigger77** and\*\* rexnervous\*\* (and people agree i’m right) the game is trivial. Test 1. If not guilty, lynch 2. Next day: test 3, if not guilty lynch 4. Why **Mhaye** is less innocent than **Oredigger77** and **Rex** : Looking at the voting around the death of **EH** , I noticed that **Mhaye** was happy to vote for me, but didn’t want to tie it. He said this right before the vote and was definitely around to break any future ties that developed. The aversion to ties makes jack sense, but I’m willing to pass on that per se. Had **EH** switched his vote twenty minutes earlier (perfectly sensible defensive voting) then mhaye could have swept in and broken the new tie (justifying it by his aversion to ties). **EH** lives, I die, wolves are in a much better position. It would also reframe the **mhaye** - **justin** standoff as wolf wolf, which explains why\*\* justin\*\* was so willing to die and makes\*\* mhaye’\*\*s testerizer analysis look like a bold wolf play. **Jimmy** broke the \*\*mhaye-justin \*\*tie near the end, which would count in his favor, but only if **mhaye** wasn’t also a wolf. Anyway, i’d say test **jimmy** tomorrow. if he’s a wolf deal with him and then take a hard look at **mhaye** for the next day. Problems: Are **Rex** and **Oredigger** innocent? Rex in particular has cast a lot of the right votes. His analysis is almost always on point, and now that we know a few alignments his random pairings for the research task a few days back look solid (known townies investigating known wolves, no conspicuous patterns). Oredigger I’m much less sure about, but he was going after EH long before it was cool. My suspicion of him was largely driven by “why would anyone argue X,” especially around the **seeker** votes. Looking back, i’m more comfortable putting him in the innocent category than any of the four other plays. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692/1480 "2009-03-27T16:01:14Z")
Because there is a no lynch, the day ends…boringly. Everyone disperses. Night. No strategy. Day starts Sunday Noon EST, as usual. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=73) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/werewolf-mafia-the-split-signups-in-progress/485692.md?page=75)