# West Wing: Stirred **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 4, 2002, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/west-wing-stirred/101772 "2002-04-04T14:18:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2002, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/west-wing-stirred/101772/21 "2002-04-04T17:54:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by whatami \* > \*\*Does it seem strange to anyone that Charlie makes only $35,000? > > I mean, My girlfriend is an administrative assistant for a district manager of a large grocery chain, she makes $32,000. She only works 40 hours a week, Charlie works about 80 (or so it seems). > Anyway, I liked the episode. I like Charlie more and more every week and I sure wish that Sam wouldn’t be cut out like he is. Are they ready to get rid of him, or what? I wish something decisive would come down after this. Especially after The President’s comment a few weeks ago about how he will be the Pres. someday. \*\* Ah, but Charlie works for the government, and is probably in a salaried position. $35,000 in the White House sounds about right. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2002, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/west-wing-stirred/101772/22 "2002-04-04T18:58:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dinsdale \* > \*\*Hated that they had Rob Lowe playing stupid again. \*\* I don’t remember Lowe playing stupid. He was working with Hoynes on the education bill, then he went into the meeting about dropping Hoynes from the ticket. And he lied about what went on with Hotnes, saying that the vice president came up with the idea about taking his name off of the bill with no prompting. Seems he really likes Hoynes for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2002, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/west-wing-stirred/101772/23 "2002-04-04T19:49:20Z")
Idaho, not Nevada…right? Who are Bruno and the other guy again? Hired guns for the election, pollsters or something? ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2002, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/west-wing-stirred/101772/24 "2002-04-04T19:55:09Z")
Is it just me of did Toby really overstep his authority to threaten a cabinet sec. job? Maybe he and the president have discussed this particular guy before off screen but I thought Toby was kind of a one note jerk on this episode. LIke at the beginning why did his assistant just point to the clip board with the information he demanded? ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2002, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/west-wing-stirred/101772/25 "2002-04-04T20:23:12Z")
Yes, it was _On Her Majesty’s Secret Service_, it just sounds wrong to me so I subconsciously transcribed it. And that was _the_ George Lazenby Bond. Telly Savalas played Blofeld(sp?) as well. The same with Elkhorn, Idaho, which I think may be a fictional town. Also, I just realised I spelled Leo’s last name as McGarrity but on the show it is McGarry. I think McGarrity was the last name of the house mother on “Facts of Life”. Bruno is the highly paid political consultant played by Ron Silver. He was brought in to get the President into the election after MS-Gate. The other guy they referred to was Doug, IIRC. And I don’t know if Toby overstepped his bounds. I think that is part of his job; nice as Bartlet is this is still politics. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2002, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/west-wing-stirred/101772/26 "2002-04-04T20:38:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by a35362 \* > \*\*Idaho, not Nevada…right? > > Who are Bruno and the other guy again? Hired guns for the election, pollsters or something? \*\* Bruno is the badass campaign strategist who has never voted for anyone. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2002, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/west-wing-stirred/101772/27 "2002-04-04T20:50:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ShibbOleth \* > \*\* > Bartlet expresses his admiration for the amount of money which Charlie gives to charity on his relatively low salary ($35K). He then says that when he gets home he will find a DVD player, the James Bond DVD and a CD which Bartlet had recommended (which I am drawing a blank on right now). > > \*\* It was “Yeomen of the Guard”, a Gilbert & Sullivan operetta. When Charlie first said he would spend his refund on a DVD, that was Bartlet’s first guess as to the title. ---
**Author:** ![king\_of\_spain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7cd45c/32.png) [@king\_of\_spain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/king_of_spain)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2002, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/west-wing-stirred/101772/28 "2002-04-05T00:21:49Z")
Man, Aaron Sorkin must love me this week. A decent plotline for Charlie (couple episodes this season he’s had literally about three lines), Bartlet and Donna got a scene together, and the Prez has apparently stopped acting like a jerk like he has for so much of this season. Hoynes is such a great, complex character. I didn’t feel this week diluted him at all. Sometimes you love him and sometimes you hate him. Hopefully he and Bartlet haven’t become best pals forever now; I still want to seem them hit some rough patches, but moments of mutual admiration like this are nice too. I was surprised to see them apparently explicitly bringing back the “Sam feeling out of the loop” storyline again. I thought that had been resolved. **Shibb** and **Oblong** , nice catch on the sumo metaphor. I didn’t get that at first either. (Was anyone else reminded of the hockey discussion we had here a little while back, where somebody suggested getting a team of skeet shooters to take care of stray pucks?) And was I the only one who expected the four words to be “Let Bartlet be Bartlet?” ---
**Author:** ![bristlesage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@bristlesage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bristlesage)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2002, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/west-wing-stirred/101772/29 "2002-04-05T01:43:20Z")
It was Elkhorn, Idaho. It is a hotel up in the Sun Valley ski resort area. But getting it confused with Nevada is certainly understandable. In fact, when I first saw the episode preview, I thought, “Ah! The Nevada episode!” Also note that the high-level nuclear waste that might go to Yucca Mountain will be passing a town named “Elko”, which is a kind of neat semi-coincidence. Anyway, the episode was a good one. I like the episodes where they show the camaraderie between the staff; they’re a nice break from the “Everyone-go-their-separate-ways-and-let’s-get-some-work-done” episodes. And I am in agreement that the “Suckers!” line was great. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/west-wing-stirred/101772.md?page=1)