# Westworld - premieres Sunday (show spoilers as airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 1, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413 "2016-10-01T21:12:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/262 "2016-10-19T05:34:26Z")
There’s Something About Dolores ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/263 "2016-10-19T05:45:06Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > We were told, I think in the first episode, that all disease had been cured. What did Bernard’s son die of, then? It wasn’t a car accident, he was clearly in some hospital unit. Even if it was an implanted memory, it doesn’t jibe with that account. I think they’ve “cured all disease” like the Trek Federation doesn’t “use money”… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/264 "2016-10-19T05:59:00Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Quite a buzzkill, losing an eye, what? In the future they can quickly grow a new one in a biochemical sac. They call it an eyePod. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/265 "2016-10-19T06:29:39Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > It seemed clear to me that she grabbed the rapist bad guy’s gun as they were wrestling each other in the barn. He then reached for it in his now empty holster and commented on her spunk or something. He complained that she wasn’t fast enough to get his gun. And as I recall she acts as surprised as he is when she finds the gun in the hay. It had to be shenanigans played out by Dolores herself in some way. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/266 "2016-10-19T09:27:06Z")
This show really, really reminds me of an extended episode of Black Mirror. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/267 "2016-10-20T12:34:34Z")
I think Arnold has something to do with the Maze. I think he’s in the middle of it. ETA: I’m terrible at “Name that Tune”…what was the player piano song? ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/268 "2016-10-20T13:17:45Z")
Coming back to say my favorite not favorite part of the episode: Ford – Why are you covering this guy up? Is it to hide his modesty? He’s not embarassed! He doesn’t feel! Guy (what I’m assuming he’s thinking) – Uhh…yeah I know he’s not real, I just don’t want to stare at some 60-year old’s dong for, like, 3 hours. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/269 "2016-10-20T14:28:17Z")
The simultaneous showing of multiple time loops is messing with me. Scene: Delores opens the drawer and finds the gun; shuts the drawer, re-opens it and the gun is no longer there. Speculation: I am assuming that at some loop not shown she hides the gun in the dirt where we saw her retrieve it in an earlier episode? Scene: Delores gets shoved into the haystack by the bad-guy rapist; he reaches for his gun; but Delores finds it in her hand. Speculation: I am assuming that this sequence was also two different loops, where in one she wrests the gun from the rapist somehow and hides it in her drawer, and another where she retrieves the gun from where she buried it and hides it in the haystack? ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/270 "2016-10-20T14:33:38Z")
Regarding sentience. Both Delores and the Madam (does she have a name?) are experiencing memories and developing sentience. Perhaps others too, like Delores’s father? Anyway, Bernard mentions that he has “changed” Delores and considered changing her back. I conclude that this is what is causing her self awareness. Is there any evidence that he has also “changed” the Madam? Or is the sentience somehow spreading like a virus? Also, there was speculation that the scenes with William were some 30 years in the past. But Delores has escaped her rape scene and run into William. This either means that Delores developed her sentience very early, or that the William scenes are current rather than in the past? And I’m not even going to touch the mystery of the suicidal host. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/271 "2016-10-20T14:39:06Z")
I interpreted that as part of the “virus” prompting him to destroy his brain to prevent effective analysis. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/272 "2016-10-20T14:56:50Z")
> [@Algernon](#): > > Both Delores and the Madam (does she have a name?) Maeve? I think. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/273 "2016-10-20T15:08:56Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > Maeve? I think. Correct. While we’re at it, can we please all try to remember that **Dolores** is spelled with two Os and one E, in that order. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/274 "2016-10-20T15:47:10Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I interpreted that as part of the “virus” prompting him to destroy his brain to prevent effective analysis. Yeah, maybe I spend too much time looking at/dealing with malicious code, but that’s exactly what I saw. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/275 "2016-10-20T16:32:54Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > Correct. While we’re at it, can we please all try to remember that **Dolores** is spelled with two Os and one E, in that order. Doloores? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/276 "2016-10-20T16:33:09Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > Correct. While we’re at it, can we please all try to remember that **Dolores** is spelled with two Os and one E, in that order. I can’t help but focus on that name, because it has always struck me as a not-great name for your daughter: [QUOTE=a Google Search] The name Dolores is a Spanish baby name. In Spanish the meaning of the name Dolores is: **Sorrow**. From Maria de los Dolores (the Virgin Mary, or Mary of the Sorrows.) [/QUOTE] When I was taking Spanish, I remember learning that _dolor_ is used to mean “pain” - me duele la cabeza = I have a headache. I think about that when I consider what Dolores’ arc is going to be in this show. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/277 "2016-10-20T16:42:26Z")
The name ‘Dolores’ always makes me think of that _Seinfeld_ episode. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/278 "2016-10-20T16:44:21Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Doloores? 😛 Mulva. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/279 "2016-10-20T18:48:28Z")
That young Anthony Hopkins scene was perhaps the best age-regression effect I’ve ever seen. I don’t know if it was just pure CGI or what, but he looked _exactly_ the way he did in the film “Magic” from 1978. Very cool. ---
**Author:** ![JcWoman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jcwoman/32/2889_2.png) [@JcWoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JcWoman)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/280 "2016-10-20T20:09:59Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Coming back to say my favorite not favorite part of the episode: > > Ford – Why are you covering this guy up? Is it to hide his modesty? He’s not embarassed! He doesn’t feel! > > Guy (what I’m assuming he’s thinking) – Uhh…yeah I know he’s not real, I just don’t want to stare at some 60-year old’s dong for, like, 3 hours. I enjoyed the show quite a lot and looking forward to more episodes. I have to say that this kind of bothered me, too. I’m a naturist (as in, clothing optional) so nudity as a thing doesn’t bother me. But it seems a bit gratuitous in these laboratory scenes. If the hosts were just repaired and are about to be put into action, I can see they would be nude because they haven’t been costumed yet. But when they’re just taken out of “the field” to be questioned, they should still have their costumes on. So in a nutshell, we should be seeing both nude and costumed hosts in the glass laboratory rooms. But we’re not. They’re all naked all the time. Perhaps it’s just a cheat so the audience knows who is the host and who is the staff, I guess. Seems to insult the audience’s intelligence, though. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/281 "2016-10-20T20:15:22Z")
> [@JcWoman](#): > > Perhaps it’s just a cheat so the audience knows who is the host and who is the staff, I guess. Seems to insult the audience’s intelligence, though. Possibly the distraction of the nudity helps soften that the deeeeep philosophy under discussion often makes no sense at all. Imagine reading the script of the scene without the visual. I bet a lot of the questions about knowledge and self-awareness would read like vapid naval-gazing. Personally, I tend to tune out during those chat scenes. I’m not expecting any major insights into artificial intelligence that haven’t been better done elsewhere, and I’d rather just see robots gradually going berserk without any need to delve into their “awakening”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413.md?page=15)