# Westworld - premieres Sunday (show spoilers as airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 1, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413 "2016-10-01T21:12:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/382 "2016-11-01T13:42:33Z")
> [@troub](#): > > My thought is that if the William/Logan story is a past timeline, William’s relationship and interactions with Dolores could be what allows Logan to witness the previously hinted-at “incident” (death of William?) and cause him to suspect something potentially larger is going on in the park. Doesn’t Ford say to Dolores something along the lines of “you were one of the few who were there when it happened”? Another mystery popped up regarding the woodcutter who bashed his own skull, in that he had some sort of implant that was secretly sending information up to a satellite. Huh? Who might be doing that? It has to be someone in the lab. The uncertainty of the multiple timelines give me a headache. Dolores, Teddy, Lawrence seem to pop in and out of what otherwise would be linear stories. And what about the “groundhog day” loops? I wonder if we’ll ever see Dolores ever wake up again at the homestead. Maeve on the other hand seems to be in a pretty short loop. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/383 "2016-11-01T13:45:54Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > > > Keeping everything under meticulous control makes sense. But it makes me wonder more about where the park is, because you could have fences and barriers to keep out regular horses and cattle and snakes and other critters, but I think it’d be a lot harder to keep out regular birds. > > Maybe they’re… _under the dome!_ If there is a barrier or a dome keeping out real wildlife, it would have to be enormous. What we’ve seen of the park and what the map on the website shows makes it look like it covers many square miles. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/384 "2016-11-01T13:48:39Z")
Logan looked like he was getting a real beat down when William refused to lend him a hand, he was also about to be chocked out by the wagon. Could it be that this is the theorized older timeline, before all the guest protection protocols were in place? I’d be a bit miffed if my dream vacation ended up with me being tied up and beaten by a band of ruffians. Way back when, I wondered if the MiB had been a guest back in the day when things went wrong and had been repaired with RoboTech. In the previews for the rest of the season, wasn’t that Logan in the lab, hooked up to the programming computer? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/385 "2016-11-01T15:12:24Z")
> [@troub](#): > > Yeah, if he doesn’t say when it was… > > Another thing…I’m not sure why exactly everyone seems to think it’s William who might turn out to be the Man in Black. He’s obviously smart and empathetic and perceptive, and who we’re mostly supposed to be identifying with, so I guess in that sense he seems to be a/the “main character” in that story line. But that’s basically the exact opposite of the MiB, and _Logan_ is the one who talks about “the game,” and is high up in the wealthy company, and a few other things (obviously, he also plays the “black hat”). I just can’t see William smacking Dolores around like the MiB does (even after 30 years, though I guess he could feel betrayed by her somehow), whereas I can _totally_ see Logan doing that. My thought is that if the William/Logan story is a past timeline, William’s relationship and interactions with Dolores could be what allows Logan to witness the previously hinted-at “incident” (death of William?) and cause him to suspect something potentially larger is going on in the park. Then his company’s investment to save the park, and his 30 year quest to figure it all out. Logan doesn’t seem like MiB material right now mostly I think because of his immaturity. He acts like a brat. But right now he’s relatively young and he thinks he’s just playing in a sandbox…I could see if he witnessed something that inspired him to take the whole thing pretty seriously, that he could morph pretty quickly into icy cold ruthless no-bullshit hardcore player. > > It would also be quite a (years-old Game of Thrones season 1 spoiler) Ned Stark moment if William were to be suddenly killed soon. Yep, if the dual storyline theory is true (and I don’t believe it is, mind), I think it’d make far more sense for the Man in Black to be Logan than William. I can’t see William snapping and cursing at folks for bothering him on his vacation, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/386 "2016-11-01T15:30:47Z")
We don’t know what William is about to go through. Maybe his time at the park will traumatize him in some way, ultimately turning him into a “black hat.” And even if nothing happens to him… he wouldn’t be the first man to slowly turn into the kind of person he used to hate. There’s nothing interesting about a bad guy, like Logan, who’s bad from the start; a worthwhile villain has to fall from grace. ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/387 "2016-11-01T17:13:11Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > There’s nothing interesting about a bad guy, like Logan, who’s bad from the start; a worthwhile villain has to fall from grace. True, William could turn/break bad/whatever. But one thing that’s interesting about the MiB is that we don’t _know_ he’s a bad guy. He just knows the parameters of the park and uses them. The obvious difference between Logan and MiB is that Logan’s a smarmy little jerk. Maybe the story of how he matures and begins to approach “the game” with deeper sophistication is as interesting as the cliche _good guy gets damaged and becomes bad guy with tragic backstory_. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/388 "2016-11-01T17:28:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, it occurs to me that we haven’t seen the moon yet (or have we?) so maybe there’s a _Truman Show_ thing going on _but_ Orion is apparently visible, so if there is a dome, it’d have to be a clear one, as opposed to the opaque one in _Truman_. I think it was in the last episode, Dolores looked up at the moon which then dissolved into an overhead light. > [@](#): > > Once Dolores is safely with William in the same episode, she looks up at the moon and is suddenly triggered into yet another series of visions. The moon becomes a spotlight and we see Dolores’ house, where people in hazmat suits are tending to her dead body and what looks like the body of her father. This is a little more self-explanatory, as Dolores is likely remembering a time when she died in the park, but this particular death could end up holding significance. > **[What Is Dolores Remembering On 'Westworld'? Her Visions May Hold The Key To...](https://www.bustle.com/articles/192026-what-is-dolores-remembering-on-westworld-her-visions-may-hold-the-key-to-everything)** > > Westworld is proving to be one hell of a puzzle and we're only four episodes into the HBO series. One of the most intriguing elements of the story has to be Dolores and her evolving psyche. Sure, she is technically a robot, but it is beginning to… ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/389 "2016-11-01T17:42:24Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > There’s nothing interesting about a bad guy, like Logan, who’s bad from the start; a worthwhile villain has to fall from grace. Is Logan really ‘bad’ though? Is the Man in Black ‘bad’? Or are they just really conscious of the fact that they are playing a game? ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/390 "2016-11-01T18:23:15Z")
MiB to Ford: “I wonder what I would find if I cut you open?” Hmmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/391 "2016-11-01T18:27:17Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Is Logan really ‘bad’ though? I don’t know, but he’s definitely an asshole. His only purpose in the story so far has been to spout exposition and serve as a contrast to William; I really doubt he’s someone as important as the MiB. The story simply hasn’t given him enough depth. > [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Is the Man in Black ‘bad’? That’s the question, isn’t it? But in any event, if he \*is \*William, he either fell from grace or lost his innocence. Either way, we’ll soon see how it happened. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/392 "2016-11-01T18:48:20Z")
> [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > MiB to Ford: “I wonder what I would find if I cut you open?” > Hmmmm… I think the line was actually, “I wonder what I would find if I open you up?” (Knife in hand.) ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/393 "2016-11-01T18:51:40Z")
MiB sure seems awfully concerned about the amount of blood the hosts contain and how to transfer blood from one host to the other. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/394 "2016-11-01T19:08:04Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > Logan looked like he was getting a real beat down when William refused to lend him a hand, he was also about to be chocked out by the wagon. Could it be that this is the theorized older timeline, before all the guest protection protocols were in place? I’d be a bit miffed if my dream vacation ended up with me being tied up and beaten by a band of ruffians. > > Way back when, I wondered if the MiB had been a guest back in the day when things went wrong and had been repaired with RoboTech. > > In the previews for the rest of the season, wasn’t that Logan in the lab, hooked up to the programming computer? Logan also talked about the missing creator of the park who died over 30 years ago, same as everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/395 "2016-11-01T19:42:13Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > …$40k a day does seem like a lot of money though, unless the economics of their world is different from ours. That’s like paying for an Everest expedition every day or so. At the end of the day, all you really get to do in the park is play cowboys & Indians and fuck robot prostitutes. You mean that’s not _enough_ for you? > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I’m wondering where Westworld is located. In the real world, it looks like a big part of the desert southwest. But I heard the suggestion that it’s not even on Earth. Again, we’ve seen nothing outside of the park. But the website to book your trip there mentions this about travel, “Upon booking your dates, our consultants will work with your local port authority to chart your course to the park.” > > Why would they phrase things that way as opposed to, “Fly to Los Angeles and we’ll meet you at the airport.” Why refer to “local port authorities”? The website is interesting. When you ask “Where is Westworld?” at [discoverwestworld.com](http://discoverwestworld.com), you get the answer, “The exact location of Westworld will be revealed once a host confirms your travel. As for the size and scope of the park, discovering that yourself is half the fun.” I suspect a gigantic space station, myself. > [@Skammer](#): > > If the robot hosts are able to lie to the park staff when they are in “analyze” mode like Dolores did, and/or wake themselves up from “sleep” mode like Maive did, then I predict… trouble. Ya think…? > [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Snakes too, as we learned previously… I noticed a “Snake Wrangler” in the closing credits. > [@Alessan](#): > > So, protecting Ford is the hosts’ Zeroth Law? Kudos for the Asimov reference. But as far as we know, any host would protect one guest from another when a knife is drawn and threatening words are spoken. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/396 "2016-11-01T19:54:32Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > “an anthology of pros” Nice. For threesomes, I suggest the guest seek a pair o’ doxies. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/397 "2016-11-01T20:17:43Z")
Can’t remember if it’s been mentioned here or not but Bernard Lowe and Arnold Weber are anagrams. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/398 "2016-11-01T20:51:02Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Nice. For threesomes, I suggest the guest seek a pair o’ doxies. That’s enough out of you, fella. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/399 "2016-11-01T21:02:44Z")
> [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > Can’t remember if it’s been mentioned here or not but Bernard Lowe and Arnold Weber are anagrams. I can’t remember; were those last names given in the show? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/400 "2016-11-01T21:52:47Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > That’s enough out of you, fella. Hey, I’m not saying the guest won’t have mixed feelings about it. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/401 "2016-11-01T22:48:41Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Kudos for the Asimov reference. But as far as we know, any host would protect one guest from another when a knife is drawn and threatening words are spoken. Oh we may think that but there is no doubt Hopkins is basically a god in the park. Remember last episode he made every host within a mile radius freeze then restart with the tiniest of gestures while they were at the outdoor restaurant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413.md?page=21)