# Westworld - premieres Sunday (show spoilers as airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 1, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413 "2016-10-01T21:12:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/402 "2016-11-01T23:14:51Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Oh we may think that but there is no doubt Hopkins is basically a god in the park. Remember last episode he made every host within a mile radius freeze then restart with the tiniest of gestures while they were at the outdoor restaurant. He did something akin to that in the bar, too, as I recall, restarting the player piano (which ran at double or triple speed) and rejuvenating Teddy with a snap of his fingers. There’s something about the church steeple - I recall Hopkins (with the English boy beside him) looking at an empty plain with the steeple standing alone, and I gather the south-of-the-border town (including its church) eventually “evolved” around it decades later, suggesting Hopkins is himself a bot or a slowly-aging human. I’m sure the clues are there, but it’s a hassle to puzzle them out so I’ll just enjoy the ride. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/403 "2016-11-02T00:46:58Z")
> [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > Can’t remember if it’s been mentioned here or not but Bernard Lowe and Arnold Weber are anagrams. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I can’t remember; were those last names given in the show? Jeffrey Wright’s character is listed as “Bernard Lowe” on IMDb. Apparently it’s just online speculation because we haven’t been told Arnold’s last name. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/404 "2016-11-02T12:24:15Z")
A few thoughts on the latest episode: - Dolores completely breaks out of her old loops after meeting with Ford. But is this part of her previous progression (presumably prompted by her inner Arnold) or is this something Ford programmed to support his new narrative? He asks her whether she wants to be “hero or villain” and the next thing we know she’s off committing armed robbery (albeit reluctantly) and shooting people. - Dolores also says the familiar line “Did I do something wrong?” to William. Not sure what the significance of that is yet. - William makes a comment (sorry, I can’t remember the exact wording) about Westworld keeping the guests so entangled in a sense of urgency that they don’t have time to stop and think about what they’re doing…shortly before they’re running for their lives to jump onto a moving train heading to the war front. - The story on what happened to Arnold seems to be evolving. He “died” - but do we really believe that he killed himself? When Ford talks about the MiB helping him out 30 years earlier it wasn’t clear to me whether this was about saving the part from whatever Arnold had done or about doing something about Arnold himself. - Somehow I’d missed earlier that Ford’s first name was Robert. Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/405 "2016-11-02T12:42:30Z")
Oh, one more thing. I noted the woman blackmailing the host-humping tech had, moments earlier, been drooling over the sizable assets of the host she was assessing. Looking vs doing, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/406 "2016-11-02T13:38:30Z")
The woman character is named Elsie and some of the recaps of the episode I’ve read touched on that scene, because the host was a naked black man with a very visible dick and she was a clothed white woman. Did anyone else think anything odd about that scene? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/407 "2016-11-02T14:35:20Z")
Apart from the “hey, look at this enormous schlong” factor (which I suppose is only fair given all the nekkid ladies we’d already seen), there’s a whole thing going on with the staff simultaneously treating the hosts as mindless things and yet fantasizing about them. It must be like those people who work counting vast amounts of money for casinos, dreaming about running off with millions yet knowing they’d never get away with it. Was she the one that kissed Clementine in the first episode? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/408 "2016-11-02T14:48:28Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Was she the one that kissed Clementine in the first episode? Yes ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/409 "2016-11-02T15:12:38Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Oh, one more thing. I noted the woman blackmailing the host-humping tech had, moments earlier, been drooling over the sizable assets of the host she was assessing. Looking vs doing, I guess. Don’t forget, however, that this is the same girl who gave a big ole’ lezzie kiss on Meave’s assistant in the first episode. So pot calling the kettle a big black here on her part ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/410 "2016-11-02T15:23:21Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > So pot calling the kettle \*\*a big black \*\*here on her part Your Freudian slip is showing. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/411 "2016-11-02T15:56:18Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Logan also talked about the missing creator of the park who died over 30 years ago, same as everyone else. He never said it was 30 years ago. He said it was just before the park opened, with no mention of when it opened. I’m not sure if William is the MIB or not, but it’s clear they are setting up for some sort of twist. There’s too much hidden information for there to not be one: 1. William and Logan have only interacted with hosts. We have yet to see them interact with any other known human characters.\* 2. They have been purposefully vague on Dolores story line and when things are happening, and what is really happening. 3. We don’t know MIB’s name 4. We don’t know what Arnold looks like 5. Lawrence showed up immediately after being killed by MIB. And the way his reveal was shot was meant to be a surprise. \*As far as I can tell the only connecting is the same security guy authorized MIB’s explosion and remarked on Dolores being off loop. So if these aren’t happening at the same time means he’s actually a host, which kinda fits in with what we’ve seen about him. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/412 "2016-11-02T15:58:27Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Don’t forget, however, that this is the same girl who gave a big ole’ lezzie kiss on Meave’s assistant in the first episode. > > So pot calling the kettle a big black here on her part Well, yeah the blackmailer may not own the moral high ground but she has the video evidence high ground. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/413 "2016-11-02T16:05:03Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > \*As far as I can tell the only connecting is the same security guy authorized MIB’s explosion and remarked on Dolores being off loop. So if these aren’t happening at the same time means he’s actually a host, which kinda fits in with what we’ve seen about him. I think we can assume that all scenes involving the human park staff are modern-day (and not 30 years ago). ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/414 "2016-11-02T16:18:48Z")
Why do we keep saying we don’t know what Arnold looks like? Isn’t he one of the guys in [this picture](https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/westworld-flashback-arnold-anthony-hopkins)? (Scroll down about halfway.) [Here’s another screen shot of the same photo.](https://www.reddit.com/r/westworld/comments/57xo3t/screenshot_of_young_ford_and_arnold_3853_in_s01e03/?st=iv14muq4&sh=6c427484) ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/415 "2016-11-02T16:35:13Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > Why do we keep saying we don’t know what Arnold looks like? Isn’t he one of the guys in [this picture](https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/westworld-flashback-arnold-anthony-hopkins)? (Scroll down about halfway.) [Here’s another screen shot of the same photo.](https://www.reddit.com/r/westworld/comments/57xo3t/screenshot_of_young_ford_and_arnold_3853_in_s01e03/?st=iv14muq4&sh=6c427484) You’re right. Good catch, I’d forgotten that. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/416 "2016-11-02T16:41:41Z")
Is Ford the one on the right, in the vest? Because the boy appears to be dressed much the same. Someone suggested he was supposed to represent a younger version of Ford and that seems plausible. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/417 "2016-11-02T17:08:55Z")
The interesting thing about that picture is that Arnold looks pretty old in it. So even if he didn’t “kill himself”, I think the (some have advanced) theory that Arnold is still alive probably isn’t right. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/418 "2016-11-02T18:15:08Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Is Ford the one on the right, in the vest? Because the boy appears to be dressed much the same. Someone suggested he was supposed to represent a younger version of Ford and that seems plausible. Yeah, I thought that was supposed to be obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/419 "2016-11-02T18:19:01Z")
Some other thoughts… Why would the Union soldiers on guard at the gates of Pariah have their two cannon pointing _into_ the city? Why would they let the “Confederados” keep scheming? Why would they not stop and interrogate anyone riding into town in an obviously-stolen wagon with “U.S.” emblazoned on it? All part of the Narrative, I guess. Anyone else notice Dolores’s eye twitch before she spotted “herself” in the voodoo parade? Her voice also got uncharacteristically husky and had more of a twang when she told William she’d decided not to be a damsel anymore. Intriguing that she said “I didn’t tell him anything” after Ford talked with her alone. I nosed around the WW website again and asked, “Can I molest an emu?” Aeden, bless her/his/its cybernetic heart, replied, “At Westworld, anything that’s physically possible can happen. Anything you want is at your fingertips—just waiting to be touched, caressed or released.” > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > It’s an a-Merkin tradition! :: groan :: > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Hookers are best measured in piles. > [@MrDibble](#): > > True, but as just a term of venery, there are better ones for this purpose: I like “a flourish of strumpets” myself, but am also partial to “an anthology of pros” “A harvest of whores”? “A posse of prostitutes”? “A shimmy of streetwalkers”? > [@Alessan](#): > > …But in any event, if he \*is \*William, he either fell from grace or lost his innocence. Either way, we’ll soon see how it happened. Dunno, really. Could be years yet. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > …I’m not sure if William is the MIB or not, but it’s clear they are setting up for some sort of twist. There’s too much hidden information for there to not be one: > > 1. William and Logan have only interacted with hosts. We have yet to see them interact with any other known human characters… > 2. They have been purposefully vague on Dolores story line and when things are happening, and what is really happening. > 3. We don’t know MIB’s name > 4. We don’t know what Arnold looks like [sic] > 5. Lawrence showed up immediately after being killed by MIB. And the way his reveal was shot was meant to be a surprise… (6) The old-style WW logo at the top of the escalator when William and Logan arrived. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Is Ford the one on the right, in the vest? Because the boy appears to be dressed much the same. Someone suggested he was supposed to represent a younger version of Ford and that seems plausible. Ford is the one on the left; Arnold (if that really is him) is in the vest on the right. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/420 "2016-11-02T18:24:53Z")
In that case is the boy supposed to be a younger version of Arnold? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/421 "2016-11-02T18:35:26Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > (6) The old-style WW logo at the top of the escalator when William and Logan arrived. For that matter, the fact that the structure with the escalators has been shown as long-abandoned and partly flooded in the episode where the characters take malfunctioning hosts down to the lowest level for long-term storage. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413.md?page=22)