# Westworld - premieres Sunday (show spoilers as airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 1, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413 "2016-10-01T21:12:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Dunkelheit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dunkelheit/32/248_2.png) [@Dunkelheit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunkelheit)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/522 "2016-11-09T19:08:10Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > I’m sure you remember him, with the “him” being the man Ford used to be. Then Arnold, referring to “him” again. Like “the man Ford used to be”, “him” and “Arnold” all being the same person. > > Maybe it makes no sense, but the way the conversation is worded is a little ambiguous. I’d have to watch the scene again, but AFAICR, there was emphasis on the word ‘him’ that implied a different person from the previous question. ‘Do you remember the man I used to be? No? Hardly your fault. [But]\* I’m sure you remember HIM. Arnold. The person who created you.’ \*the ‘but’ was not said, but implied by the tone of voice indicating the second question was about a different person. ---
**Author:** ![Dunkelheit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dunkelheit/32/248_2.png) [@Dunkelheit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunkelheit)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/523 "2016-11-09T19:10:57Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So can they make this pay as a business given the amount of infrastructure involved? Logan did say to William that the place was ‘hemorrhaging money’, so… ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/524 "2016-11-09T19:42:19Z")
I’ve been assuming since the start that a significant portion of their revenue stream is from the discreet sale of information about their guests. They could build one hell of a psychological profile about their regular customers. Since their regular customers would tend to be wealthy, this profile would be of great interest to any number of people, businesses, or governments. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/525 "2016-11-09T21:55:41Z")
I would hope not. If I’m paying $40,000 per day, I would expect a great deal of discretion, particularly when they encourage people to act out their fantasies, however weird, corrupt or perverted. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/526 "2016-11-09T22:13:20Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > I’ve been assuming since the start that a significant portion of their revenue stream is from the discreet sale of information about their guests. They could build one hell of a psychological profile about their regular customers. Since their regular customers would tend to be wealthy, this profile would be of great interest to any number of people, businesses, or governments. Of course, it’s entirely possible that in the future, literally nobody gives a fuck if one’s fantasies include roasting girl scouts on a spit - I can see this as the natural outgrowth of the current “announce all your feelings on twitter” attitude - what comprises privacy in the future is likely to be radically different from what we think of it. It _may_ turn out that the smuggled data is about what the guests do, in which case I’ll be disappointed in the show’s lack of imagination. For now, I think it more likely the data is technical in nature. Of course, even the whole “satellite uplink” concept is more elaborate than necessary, since I think it safe to assume that in the future, someone could physically smuggle out yottabytes of data on something the size of a pinhead. Feed this to a guest, let it sit in their stomach until they leave the park, then retrieve by whatever means practical. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/527 "2016-11-09T22:52:30Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I would hope not. If I’m paying $40,000 per day, I would expect a great deal of discretion, particularly when they encourage people to act out their fantasies, however weird, corrupt or perverted. I never said the guests would be _aware_ of this. That would defeat the purpose. We’ve seen Ford display a very controlling attitude and describe being aware of every detail of the guests’ visits. On a more general topic, the latest episode contained some very weak writing. The scene with Maeve and the two techs was poorly done and unconvincing. The techs were basically cartoon characters (especially the asshole one). One would assume they had at least some amount of intelligence in order to perform that job, yet they make truly idiotic decisions. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/528 "2016-11-09T23:10:32Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It could be that these “hosts” are being, or at least eventually intended to be, used for stuff other than theme park robots which may require higher intelligence. Perhaps having the hosts working in the park and interact with guests is a way to develop the artificial intelligence in a controlled environment? ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/529 "2016-11-10T20:56:15Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Of course, it’s entirely possible that in the future, literally nobody gives a fuck if one’s fantasies include roasting girl scouts on a spit Minus 10 points for Aeden’s misuse of palate/palette > [@](#): > > YOU > CAN I ROAST GIRL SCOUTS ON A SPIT? > > AEDEN > Westworld will very literally satiate your every hunger. For every meal, you’ll have access to a variety of cuisines designed to cater every type of palette. > > AEDEN > If you’d like to go the rustic route, hunting in the park is unparalleled. We will also accommodate all allergies and dietary restrictions. Satiated yet? Ask me about something else… ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/530 "2016-11-10T21:24:03Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > One more possibility: that Arnold _was_ Ford’s dad. > > I suppose the possibility seems unlikely to us due to Anthony Hopkins being 78, and one doesn’t always think in terms of a 78-year-old’s father. But of course the numbers could work out if we’re talking “thirty years ago,” with Ford being mid-40s and his father Arnold being mid-60s. > > The only argument against that (coming to mind now, anyway) is that when William and Logan were discussing the park they used ‘two guys started it’ or something similar, instead of ‘a guy and his son started it.’ > > (Thank you for the photos–I agree that they do appear to be of the same actor in the same costume.) Wow! I think you are right. Did Ford say that picture was of him and Arnold? Because if so, the ‘dad’ at the cottage looks exactly like him! And would also explain why Arnold didn’t want to make the ‘dad’ an alcoholic as he apparently was in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/531 "2016-11-10T21:30:14Z")
“Hunting in the park is unparalleled”…? Hunting of _what?_ Vat-grown robot buffalo? ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/532 "2016-11-10T21:39:17Z")
> [@Pork\_Rind](#): > > Minus 10 points for Aeden’s misuse of palate/palette Hunting? Does that mean people eat the robot animals? I guess there’s no reason you couldn’t,\* but I hadn’t thought about that possibility yet. \*Not necessarily, anyway. It is entirely possible that some element of the 3D printing process would make the flesh unpalatable or unfit for human consumption. What exactly is the white substance the printers extrude? It could be an organic matrix for stem cells (the white substance they’re dipped in?) to grow in that would naturally be absorbed as the cells reproduce, but might leave traces in the meat. ETA–Ninja’d! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/533 "2016-11-10T21:46:48Z")
_Oh, give me an abode Where the buffaloes are growed In a processed futuristicky way. And the whores are all cleaned In a washing machine And I’ll gladly give you forty k!_ ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/534 "2016-11-10T22:58:42Z")
Nice. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Soulcatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Soulcatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soulcatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/535 "2016-11-11T17:00:34Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > _Oh, give me an abode > Where the buffaloes are growed > In a processed futuristicky way. > And the whores are all cleaned > In a washing machine > And I’ll gladly give you forty k!_ Great post, but I was wondering how the whored are cleaned. Like some sort of anti-venereal power washer? Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/536 "2016-11-11T17:28:46Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > “Hunting in the park is unparalleled”…? Hunting of _what?_ Vat-grown robot buffalo? I could be mistaken, but weren’t white hat/black hat eating rabbit or something at the campfire when Deloris stumbled into the campsite? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/537 "2016-11-13T04:38:30Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Did anyone catch the Yul Brynner robot when the black dude (I still don’t know most of their names) went down to the restricted basement? It was dark and he was in the background out of focus, but the hat and the stance were quite distinctive. Yes! I wondered if I was reading too much into it. > [@hajario](#): > > Seriously. Just drop her intelligence down to 2 until they have a chance to re-group and figure something out. Exactly my thought. They’re holding the little programming tablet - she has nothing. Should be a snap. > [@msmith537](#): > > A super-intelligent sarcastic robot prostitute. What a great idea. What could possibly go wrong? > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Ford having a copy of his family in host form as a gift from Arnold was so sad… Called it! I thought the kid was a young Ford from when he first appeared. > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I noticed the Yul Brynner bot, and I also thought the way that the young Ford host opened his face was a reference to the movie, even if it wasn’t done exactly the same way. Creepy to have it blink while the face was retracted. They do something quite similar in Spielberg’s _A.I. Artificial Intelligence_ (jump to 1:33 if you’re feeling impatient): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqlhYcPx4K0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqlhYcPx4K0) > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I was confused by that, it seemed in earlier episodes that Teddy came upon the massacre and was horrified, but the very quick flashback in this episode seemed like Teddy was helping Wyatt with it. I assumed Ford, Arnold or someone else has been downloading new memories into Teddy. > [@Pork\_Rind](#): > > Minus 10 points for Aeden’s misuse of palate/palette Y’know, with these new Delos hosts, it’s just one small step from a homonym error to a murderous robotic killspree. ---
**Author:** ![Dunkelheit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dunkelheit/32/248_2.png) [@Dunkelheit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunkelheit)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/538 "2016-11-13T12:57:14Z")
Just into the second season of Person of Interest and enjoying it muchly, thanks to whoever recommended it. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/539 "2016-11-14T03:08:57Z")
Well, well, well. Bernard certainly has an interesting backstory. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/540 "2016-11-14T03:10:31Z")
“What door?” ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/541 "2016-11-14T04:05:04Z")
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