# Westworld - premieres Sunday (show spoilers as airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 1, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413 "2016-10-01T21:12:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1062 "2016-12-07T13:30:49Z")
In one of the early episodes, someone (pretty sure it’s Logan?) mentions it costs $40,000 per day to visit WestWorld. Assuming those events in the show are taking place about 2065 (ie 50 years in the future; a figure I’m pulling more or less out of thin air based on the clothing styles we see out of the park and the “modern” guns we see used), I ran some numbers to work out what that might be equivalent to todayish. Assuming inflation remains more or less the same between 2015 and 2065, you’d be looking at the equivalent of about about $5000 a day in today’s money to visit the park. I arrived at this figure by the [highly scientific method of working out what $40,000 in 2015 money was worth in 1965](https://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/). Even so, I think it shows that visiting Westworld is probably a once-in-a-lifetime experience for most people, and even then it’s still only for people who are pretty well off. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1063 "2016-12-07T13:33:31Z")
We’re never told what year Westworld takes place in so I think we’re meant to assume that the $40,000 per day cost is in today’s dollars. Had they meant otherwise, they would have given us some clue about this. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1064 "2016-12-07T14:13:40Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I liked the audience sucker punch when what seems like a genuine tender moment on the beach turned out to be yet another planned and scripted dialogue but wondered how Ford knew Dolores would be expiring on the beach when the only reason she died was because the MiB - a non-host - stabbed her. I was under the impression that “all roads lead to the beach” - I.e., the restricted set of outcomes ended there. Perhaps she could’ve ended up there with different individuals and with different emotional peaks, but within a limited set. ETA: having such a restricted set of outcomes would be in line with the Repetitive Hell that Arnold was seeking to prevent from happening before the first Loop. As you point it out now, it does seem like, from a Celebrating the Park standpoint - which I believe was the traditional objective of entertaining at Delos Board meetings - a human would be featured in a storyline’s endscreen - even if this time it turned out it was a planted actor who sold their role of entertained newbie guest to the hilt. Thinking out loud. And possibly a bit too much 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1065 "2016-12-07T14:53:17Z")
On the subject of the stormtrooper guards, while they weren’t particularly good shots it’s worth noting that just before the gun battle we get an example of how well hosts shoot vs humans, with Teddy shooting a glass off a host’s head followed by a board member shooting the host. While I would expect the security staff to be better shots than a party guest, the hosts are likely very good shots indeed and thus have a good chance of taking down the staff first. Also, I suspect the staff haven’t had to deal with multiple homicidal hosts using live weapons in the main HQ building, weren’t fully prepared for the assault and had to worry about killing real people. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1066 "2016-12-07T15:09:40Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > … > I don’t recall seeing Dolores’s original “father”, was he in there? > … > [@MrDibble](#): > > He was already on a train out with a head full of IP. I originally thought that, as well, but my wife pointed out that Sizemore was going to retrieve him when he discovered that cold storage was empty. So presumably Abernathy was among the hosts attacking the gala. I knew that Hale was going to be outmaneuvered by Ford, but I had wondered why they had her choose Abernathy when it ultimately didn’t matter. Had Sizemore been able to boot up Abernathy, it’s probable that Abernathy’s malfunctions (and lobotomized state) would have impaired his use as a data smuggler. In the end, I think Hale’s choice of Abernathy was just another way to underscore how thoroughly outclassed she was. She apparently didn’t know about Ford’s plans, which is understandable. But she also didn’t know Abernathy’s issues, and more importantly didn’t know about the explosive charge. Her plan was thoroughly screwed from the get go. Though I admit that I would have loved to see Sizemore’s attempt to write a “discreet” story for a malfunctioning Abernathy with a proximity explosive. > [@](#): > > Train Passenger: So where are you headed? > > Abernathy: I have no path. I am - g-guh - adrift in a sea of loneliness. My purpose is to preserve the knowledge of the gods. > > Train Passenger: Uh…huh. So did you go White Hat or Black Hat this time? > > Abernathy: I love Westworld. It shows…y-y-y-y-you who you really are. I consume every host I kill. I need the strength for the journey ahead. > > Train Passenger: Um…ok then. [pulls out smartphone] > > [A loud pop issues from Abernathy’s neck, his head slumps down onto his chest] > > Train Passenger: Did you hear that? > > [Abernathy begins to drool] ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1067 "2016-12-07T15:46:06Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > The human would play the Teddy role. He’s just there as a stand-in for the performance, so the board could witness the narrative. I think it’s also supposed to reflect the first episode, when we assume Teddy is a guest at first. He goes through a whole story with Dolores, and the next day a real guest takes over. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1068 "2016-12-07T17:55:01Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > There was some great mirroring of the first episode in the MiB/Dolores scenes. In the first episode the MiB drags Dolores unwillingly off to subject her to some unpleasantness; in the last it’s Dolores dragging the MiB away and throwing him around. In the first episode Teddy’s efforts to play the hero are impotent gestures built into the narrative to give the guests someone to defeat; in the last Teddy’s heroics genuinely defeat the MiB (if only by knocking him over) and save Dolores. > > We were also treated to the “someone’s coming to save me” double bluff - it’s Teddy that’s coming but no, it’s William she thinks is coming but no, it really is Teddy. Which is some nifty writing. > > Finally, of course, the whole point of the MiB arc is not just to show how he went from white hat to black hat, but to demonstrate once again that the all-powerful guests - who “own the world” and can withstand a hail of gunfire without damage while killing off a whole village - are ultimately impotent in the face of what is to come. > > I liked the audience sucker punch when what seems like a genuine tender moment on the beach turned out to be yet another planned and scripted dialogue but wondered how Ford knew Dolores would be expiring on the beach when the only reason she died was because the MiB - a non-host - stabbed her. > > And one more thought - when Bernard first looks at Maeve’s code in this episode there is a step visible after “INFILTRATE”. At first I thought it said “DECLINE” which put a very different spin on the ending but I went back and checked and it says “DECEIVE”, suggesting that going back for her daughter wasn’t part of the programming at all. It said “Infiltrate Mainland”. ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1069 "2016-12-07T20:00:39Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > We’re never told what year Westworld takes place in so I think we’re meant to assume that the $40,000 per day cost is in today’s dollars. Had they meant otherwise, they would have given us some clue about this. Since the website stuff was mentioned before in this thread…some of the security footage at [delosincorporated.com](http://delosincorporated.com) appears to have timestamps on it. 6/15/2052. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1070 "2016-12-07T20:04:45Z")
A fine conclusion to the season, I thought, even if some very smart Dopers had already sussed most of the secrets out already. It’ll be hard to wait for Season 2. See the bottom of this article as to the theory about Michelangelo’s _The Creation of Adam_ and the human brain: [The Creation of Adam - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Creation_of_Adam) > [@DigitalC](#): > > The asian tech wondering if he was a robot after finding out Bernard was one was the funniest shit ever. Yes! Loved that. > [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > The Discover Westworld site has changed again too. Whoa. Freaky. And Aeden’s really developed a 'tude… > [@Tangent](#): > > …Is it possible the Ford that Dolores killed was really a host/replica of Ford, and the real Ford is safe somewhere? I think that will depend entirely on how Anthony Hopkins’s S2 contract negotiations go. > [@Honey](#): > > So the SW logos were for Samurai World? That or Shogun World, as suggested upthread, I bet. Viking World, Ancient Rome World, Camelot World and Gangland Chicago World could do a brisk business, too. > [@Honey](#): > > …The storm trooper security guards were laughable. Amen. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1071 "2016-12-07T20:44:59Z")
> [@troub](#): > > > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > > > We’re never told what year Westworld takes place in so I think we’re meant to assume that the $40,000 per day cost is in today’s dollars. Had they meant otherwise, they would have given us some clue about this. > > Since the website stuff was mentioned before in this thread…some of the security footage at [delosincorporated.com](http://delosincorporated.com) appears to have timestamps on it. 6/15/2052. Thank you for that but I really hope this isn’t the sort of show that requires the viewer to dig down that far on the associated website. I really think that all we’re supposed to gather is that a visit to Westworld is beyond all but the wealthiest individuals. ---
**Author:** ![PlumBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@PlumBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlumBob)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1072 "2016-12-07T20:46:51Z")
Pants wearing Dolores dies in Teddy’s arms, Ford gives a speech, then blue dress Dolores shoots him in the champagne glass. I thought pants wearing Dolores & blue dress Dolores were 30 years apart? Did I miss something? ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1073 "2016-12-07T20:54:38Z")
> [@PlumBob](#): > > Pants wearing Dolores dies in Teddy’s arms, Ford gives a speech, then blue dress Dolores shoots him in the champagne glass. > > I thought pants wearing Dolores & blue dress Dolores were 30 years apart? > > Did I miss something? Ford had left out Dolores’s original dress and gun from the Arnold massacre. She was eyeing it after Ford’s monologue, so she presumably changed into it before shooting Ford at the gala. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1074 "2016-12-07T20:59:22Z")
Right, when Dolores was eyeing the gun on the table, it was lying on top of the folded blue dress. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1075 "2016-12-07T21:05:33Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > There was no “instantly”, but first weeks in the back country of discovering that he wasn’t a kind idealist, but rather a Walter White who pretended to be. That he _liked_ butchery and rape. … > [@DSeid](#): > > Problem being that that transformation was very rushed in its telling and more told than shown. … Agreed. Though we see William doing some shooting of hosts, we really do _not_ see him “lik[ing] butchery and rape.” If it was the intention of the showrunners to establish this, they failed. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > See the bottom of this article as to the theory about Michelangelo’s _The Creation of Adam_ and the human brain: [The Creation of Adam - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Creation_of_Adam) The dialogue described it as (I believe) “Arnold’s favorite painting.” Am I wrong to be irritated that most viewers probably thereby assume it’s a canvas, rather than (as it actually is) a tiny portion of a gigantic ceiling fresco? Probably. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1076 "2016-12-07T21:20:35Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Agreed. Though we see William doing some shooting of hosts, we really do _not_ see him “lik[ing] butchery and rape.” If it was the intention of the showrunners to establish this, they failed. The second to last episode ended with William basically tearing apart an entire camp of hosts. As far as rape, we’ve never actually seen him do that. It’s just the viewers assumption that it’s what he did with Dolores in the barn. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1077 "2016-12-07T21:50:24Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > The second to last episode ended with William basically tearing apart an entire camp of hosts. > > As far as rape, we’ve never actually seen him do that. It’s just the viewers assumption that it’s what he did with Dolores in the barn. I interpreted the butchery at the camp as him basically losing it. I never got a sense that he had enjoyed it, rather that he was filled with rage and frustration at being forced to realize that his beloved Dolores had mechanical guts (though why that should be particularly upsetting, I don’t know–Logan thought he was making a point about her not being a person, but I don’t see why William should accept that robot guts means she didn’t love him) and wanting to expose the truth of all the hosts for himself to see. At least, that’s what I thought it probably meant, but the purpose of the scene always seemed a bit muddy to me, and the change in William seemed unbelievable and poorly written. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1078 "2016-12-07T22:04:56Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > We’re never told what year Westworld takes place in so I think we’re meant to assume that the $40,000 per day cost is in today’s dollars. Had they meant otherwise, they would have given us some clue about this. You mean besides the explicit reference to a world where all disease has been eradicated and mankind is close to resurrecting the dead, and the oblique reference to most of the oil having run out? The show very clearly doesn’t take place today; it’s clearly in the future - further than 20 minutes but still sometime this century. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1079 "2016-12-07T22:39:34Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > We’re never told what year Westworld takes place in so I think we’re meant to assume that the $40,000 per day cost is in today’s dollars. Had they meant otherwise, they would have given us some clue about this. > [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > You mean besides the explicit reference to a world where all disease has been eradicated and mankind is close to resurrecting the dead, and the oblique reference to most of the oil having run out? The show very clearly doesn’t take place today; it’s clearly in the future - further than 20 minutes but still sometime this century. I think Dewey is trying to say that picked a figure of $40,000 to mean “This is only for the super rich” and not to mean “In the future $40,000 is not that much money.” ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1080 "2016-12-07T23:18:08Z")
Exactly. We would have to make all sorts of assumptions or guesses to understand how far $40,000 goes in the time period in which the show is set. Since there’s no basis for making any such assumptions, I believe we are only meant to conclude that a trip to Westworld is for extremely rich people. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413/1081 "2016-12-07T23:26:54Z")
> [@PlumBob](#): > > Pants wearing Dolores dies in Teddy’s arms, Ford gives a speech, then blue dress Dolores shoots him in the champagne glass. > > I thought pants wearing Dolores & blue dress Dolores were 30 years apart? > > Did I miss something? the techs came in and picked up Teddy and Delores - repaired them - and sent them back out - Delores changed to the blue dress and picked up the gun that was left out for her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-premieres-sunday-show-spoilers-as-airs/767413.md?page=55)