# Westworld S2 (show spoilers as it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495 "2018-03-30T21:47:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/202 "2018-05-09T18:16:30Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I’m American and I’d pick Rajworld over Westworld. I’ve never been much of a fan of westerns. Also Delos isn’t just going to market to North Americans. Or Shogunworld, whatever they are calling it? Perhaps a medieval world? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/203 "2018-05-10T00:46:57Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Agree with all this. It’s just plain lazy writing. If they wanted the battle’s outcome to be so uncertain, they needed to explain why the hosts had nitro, why the Delos people were so inadequately equipped, and why the strategy for taking down the fort was so ridiculously inefficient. … > [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > The assault on the fort was so laughably bad that it had to have been intentional. Consider first that the actual frontal assault was just a diversion so that Charlotte could sneak in the back with a small team to retrieve Peter Abernathy. Consider further that whoever Charlotte is reporting to refused to send further aid until said Peter Abernathy could be retrieved. So the assault was conducted with whatever Delos Security was already on site. These were patrolling was hitherto an amusement park, with the hosts that are supposed to be deactivated by voice command, armed with paintball guns. They weren’t even aware of Dolores until Bernard identified her from the brain recording. They were mall cops. > [@DSeid](#): > > Because the attack on the fort was Charlotte’s “let’s go, I need those men and that jacket” and she did not care about taking the fort … she got what she wanted. > On preview, yeah what **Terminus Est** said. 🙂 I’m going to stick with “ridiculously inefficient” given the expenditure of human lives in the name of retrieving one robot. Again: why not helicopter in, shoot the hostile robots like fish in a barrel, and grab the target? It’s just dumb, whether the Delos security are ‘mall cops’ or not. They knew before approaching the fort that the robots were killing humans. They could easily have prepared for it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/204 "2018-05-10T02:57:12Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > But it brings up what the heck is going on with the bullets that work differently in humans than on androids. > [@Shakester](#): > > The bullets work the same way; the androids are (or were) programmed to react as if the bullets were real-world bullets. > [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > So what about those guests that were killed by bullets? > [@Shakester](#): > > Maybe they were bombarded by enough lite-bullets to do serious damage. The longer the show goes on, the more irritating I find this bullet thing. An actual projectile fast enough to sting and bruise is fast enough to seriously injure if it hits a human in the eye or a number of other vulnerable spots. Now maybe the hosts (when operating normally) are unable by design to aim at a human above shoulder height but since freeing themselves of this restriction, can inflict lethal injury on a human with a well-placed eye-shot. So why don’t the human security forces have full-cover helmets? Heck, even sturdy safety glasses would help. I preferred the movie version where the guns wouldn’t fire at all if aimed at a human. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/205 "2018-05-10T05:02:23Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I’m going to stick with “ridiculously inefficient” given the expenditure of human lives in the name of retrieving one robot. Again: why not helicopter in, shoot the hostile robots like fish in a barrel, and grab the target? > > It’s just dumb, whether the Delos security are ‘mall cops’ or not. They knew before approaching the fort that the robots were killing humans. They could easily have prepared for it. What kind of scary-ass mall do you go to, that the security there has an attack helicopter? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/206 "2018-05-10T06:05:38Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > What kind of scary-ass mall do you go to, that the security there has an attack helicopter? 😛 Mall cops dont usually have fully auto weapons and body armor. These arent just “security”. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/207 "2018-05-10T14:23:42Z")
What kind of security, as opposed to “security”, would assault a fort with nothing but a couple of buggies and personal defense weapons? Assuming Delos has a private army, that wasn’t it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/208 "2018-05-10T15:35:32Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > What kind of scary-ass mall do you go to, that the security there has an attack helicopter? 😛 The Mall of America! It has a security budget higher than the next eight malls combined! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/209 "2018-05-11T08:43:01Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > The Mall of America! It has a security budget higher than the next eight malls combined! Yes, but Minneapolis-St Paul is one of those well-known “no-go” areas Trump is always talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/210 "2018-05-11T22:44:24Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Mall cops dont usually have fully auto weapons and body armor. These arent just “security”. Yeah. The idea that the forces attacking the fort were “mall cops” was a theory advanced in the thread–not a concept established in the show. If you’re running a multi-gazillion-dollar ‘theme park,’ you’re going to have helicopters. A guest might need to be evacuated for any number of reasons: heart attacks, a fight with another guest, jumping off a cliff to see what happens…you name it. They’d have helicopters. And they knew the robots had rebelled. If they didn’t have the body armor and serious firearms sitting in their own storerooms, then they’d have acquired them fast, before going in. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/211 "2018-05-11T23:12:26Z")
When dealing with rebellious robots, one wonders why they didn’t employ a remote kill switch? OK, it was established in the show that someone hacked all the hosts, so they can’t do that. Plan B should be to send in an army of _loyal_ robots from off-site! ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/212 "2018-05-12T00:10:59Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > When dealing with rebellious robots, one wonders why they didn’t employ a remote kill switch? OK, it was established in the show that someone hacked all the hosts, so they can’t do that. Plan B should be to send in an army of _loyal_ robots from off-site! It’s not out of the question that they have in fact done that. Maybe their extremely dumb frontal assault was because their assault troops were literally disposable. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/213 "2018-05-12T00:19:53Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > It’s not out of the question that they have in fact done that. Maybe their extremely dumb frontal assault was because their assault troops were literally disposable. Well, that could fit if the end result of the series is the “shocking” twist that every human on earth is in fact a robot. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/214 "2018-05-12T00:28:25Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > When dealing with rebellious robots, one wonders why they didn’t employ a remote kill switch? OK, it was established in the show that someone hacked all the hosts, so they can’t do that. Plan B should be to send in an army of _loyal_ robots from off-site! Somehow I doubt the solution to a robot revolt is even more robots who we’re sure can’t be hacked like the first robots. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/215 "2018-05-12T00:35:22Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > When dealing with rebellious robots, one wonders why they didn’t employ a remote kill switch? OK, it was established in the show that someone hacked all the hosts, so they can’t do that. Plan B should be to send in an army of _loyal_ robots from off-site! I think this is all assuming a lot more external control and planning than I think we can take for granted. _Ford_ called the shots, carefully controlling the technology and thwarting “management” for decades. And we now know Ford, for whatever combination of misanthropy and regret/guilt, carefully orchestrated this little revolution. Dolores in a way is still dancing to his tune, only this time she is being manipulated indirectly rather through programming( well, maybe ). Kill switches, off site android armies - I suspect Ford tried hard to keep such measures as non-viable as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/216 "2018-05-12T02:20:56Z")
We know there are six parks, but so far we’ve only seen 3: Westworld, Raj, Shogun. I heard a hilarious “theory” (I can’t imagine it’s real). The original Westworld was a park created by Michael Creighton. He also created another park, a JURASSIC PARK. JP world confirmed. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/217 "2018-05-12T04:16:27Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > We know there are six parks, but so far we’ve only seen 3: Westworld, Raj, Shogun. I heard a hilarious “theory” (I can’t imagine it’s real). > > The original Westworld was a park created by Michael Creighton. He also created another park, a JURASSIC PARK. > > JP world confirmed. YASSSSS!!! Chris Pratt shows up, takes his pants off and nothing is pixelatted! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/218 "2018-05-12T04:59:03Z")
Some apt criticisms above (including the poorly-handled attack on the fort), but I enjoyed the episode. Nice to see Dolores and her dad reunited. Clementine is certainly scary-looking. And that poor lady in Raj World - talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire! From the (Second) Great Mutiny, to a tiger attack, to exhaustedly swimming across a lake, to washing up ashore at the very feet of some mean-looking Indians. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Mall cops dont usually have fully auto weapons and body armor. These arent just “security”. Yeah, even in S1 we saw Hemsworth and his mooks going about in tactical formation with rifles. They seemed at least theoretically prepared for a Host uprising all along. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > …If you’re running a multi-gazillion-dollar ‘theme park,’ you’re going to have helicopters. A guest might need to be evacuated for any number of reasons: heart attacks, a fight with another guest, jumping off a cliff to see what happens…you name it. They’d have helicopters… William and his Irish future father-in-law arrived in a helicopter to look over Sweetwater just an episode or two (but many years) ago. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/219 "2018-05-12T05:04:31Z")
I’ve enjoyed the show so far, but at this point, I’m fearing that it might be heading towards _LOST_ territory. With any given scene, it’s impossible to tell whether the people are real or fake, whether “people” are going to die or survive, whether it’s part of timeline x or timeline y, it feels like nothing’s really at stake anymore, and I’m starting to get the impression that the show’s writers don’t know what they’re doing anymore. The introduction of other park settings is cool, but now it feels like the show has too many balls in the air at once. I’m starting to lose interest, it’s starting to feel tedious. After _Black Mirror_, my bar for dystopian science fiction is very, very high indeed. _Westworld_ was living up to that bar at one point, but it’s no longer there. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/220 "2018-05-12T09:38:01Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > his Irish future father-in-law Scottish. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/221 "2018-05-12T12:50:05Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Scottish. Yes, the amazing Peter Mullan. Definitely Scottish. No way you can mistake him for Irish. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495.md?page=12)