# Westworld S2 (show spoilers as it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495 "2018-03-30T21:47:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/322 "2018-05-23T15:34:02Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > If I’m remembering correctly it was pretty well established last season that the tavern robbery happens at the same time every day. Just like the parades in DisneyWorld. There was one episode where they did it like five times. But it was only during a certain timeline/iteration of Westworld. I can’t remember exactly when or where last season, but there was a point where Armistice, the hottest and most badass of the train robbers, was mowing down people left and right…but before that she was being shown as the actual sheriff of the town. I’m finally caught up and I still feel this season is miles below the last in terms of quality and intrigue. That being said, the last two episodes have been the most compelling so far. I loved two episodes ago the most and Ed Harris’ “I am death” speech was wonderfully compelling, badass and SORELY missed this season. I’ve said it before, we are missing great acting and monologues this season. Last episode was pretty cool too, although my knee-jerk reaction to Meave’s psychic powers is to absolutely hate it. We don’t need the characters to have literal superpowers thank you very much. Speaking of things I hate…Dolores. I have no idea what she’s on or going on about. Can someone please tell me her motivations? I don’t understand why she’s so willing to kill hosts when THEY’RE HER POTENTIAL ARMY. She’s throwing away assets like they’re nothing. I have no idea why she hates hosts, what she’s planning to do, what she’s doing with Teddy or anything. ERW’s acting has gotten stilted and boring and everything about her is stupid and bad. I’m praying that a giant reveal on her character this season is that she’s still on a narrative and everything about her is planned to be this stupid and it castrates her motivations and character. Please give me more Bernard and Man in Black, they’re the only ones I care about. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/323 "2018-05-23T15:36:45Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > I’m praying that a giant reveal on her character this season is that she’s still on a narrative and everything about her is planned to be this stupid and it castrates her motivations and character. There is a chance that every host is still on a narrative, including Maeve, and that’s the reveal this season. Ford is still in control (maybe using the hosts to take his company back from Delos). ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/324 "2018-05-23T16:04:26Z")
> [@Balthisar](#): > > Hmmm… guests could arrive by sea-plane instead of a train, and they would be B-list or retired actors, greeted by Khan and a little person, and we get to see their wacky hi-jinks. Pffft. A show like that would never work. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/325 "2018-05-23T16:09:46Z")
Granted, this probably wouldn’t happen very often, but if I paid beaucoup bucks to visit the various worlds and found out they were ripoffs of eachother, I’d be pretty pissed. I don’t see westerners visiting Shogun World very often though, due to the language barrier. I thought this episode was kind of a ripoff of The Last Samurai, including ninja attack, but still cool. I think the way it played out would be far more interesting than a ripoff of the heist. I liked the scene with Clementine mouthing the replacement prostitute’s lines, that was touching. However, the robots seem to become completely moronic when things go off script. She’s just standing there, talking to Maeve, when she isn’t even there? I’ve seen video game AI that was smarter than that. Would she still do that if somebody killed Maeve before they got to their daily chit-chat under normal circumstances? It doesn’t really counter the “these guys are just toasters and you shouldn’t feel the least bit bad about killing them” argument, which I thought the creators were pushing against. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/326 "2018-05-23T17:38:33Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > I don’t see westerners visiting Shogun World very often though, due to the language barrier. I’m pretty sure they said that the hosts will switch languages automatically in reaction to whatever language the guest speaks. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/327 "2018-05-23T17:50:11Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I’m pretty sure they said that the hosts will switch languages automatically in reaction to whatever language the guest speaks. That’s not the idea I got from what i saw in the last episode, but you could be right. IIRC, none of the Japanese hosts spoke English, even though they had English speaking hostages, and they didn’t obey Maeve’s commands unless she spoke them in Japanese. ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/328 "2018-05-23T19:38:27Z")
Has anyone put forth the theory that all of the hosts are actually people’s minds? I know there seem to be a couple of hosts that have minds of their own, but is it possible they have someone else’s memories and that’s what’s going on? There’s proof that putting someone’s memories in a host will work. Delos’ mind was put in to a host to see if it would work, and it does for a time until he gets stuck. They tried well over 100 times but he kept getting suck in a loop at a certain point. We’ve also had Abernathy get stuck in what looks like the same type of loop before he gets taken. Bernard is supposed to be a host with someone else’s mind as well and he seems to be having similar problems. What if the hosts have someone else’s mind and they are programmed to have a similar job to the real person and they get programmed to only be able to do certain things, this way there’s no problem with any loops. Since they’d had years of watching them the programmers could figure out where they need to stop the hosts from getting in to these loops. Perhaps the hosts of Delores and Maeve have had the problems of their loops fixed, or they haven’t gotten to one that will cause them to shut down. Maybe Maeve had a daughter in her real life and so they originally gave her one in her narrative. Maybe that’s why she’s so intent on getting her daughter, because she’s slowly remembering her real daughter. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/329 "2018-05-23T20:37:49Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > That’s not the idea I got from what i saw in the last episode, but you could be right. IIRC, none of the Japanese hosts spoke English, even though they had English speaking hostages, and they didn’t obey Maeve’s commands unless she spoke them in Japanese. Yes, that’s why Lee figured the ‘virus’ made it’s way to ShogunWorld, because they should have automatically switched languages if functioning properly. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/330 "2018-05-23T21:47:46Z")
Yeah, it appears Hosts are supposed to automatically switch to whatever language the Guest is speaking, unless of course a language barrier itself is part of the narrative (e.g. the Ghost Nation). Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/331 "2018-05-24T00:45:24Z")
I did not hear that but can rewatch. I heard him tell them the Westworld hosts that they also have it in their software but that it is buried and inaccessible. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/332 "2018-05-24T02:21:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Maeve: Lay down your sword. Tell your associates to set us free. We mean no harm. … See, darling? Everything under control. > > Japanese soldier: [Gag this one] > > Lee Sizemore: Beautiful way to watch the sun rise … glistening off the intestines of the recently mutilated. > > Felix Lutz: Oh, Jesus > > Lee: Judging by their weapons, I’d say local police. And given that he’s got one now > > Sylvester: Captured by samurai cop-killers. Fuck me. Can’t you say something to them? > > Felix: I’m from Hong Kong, asshole. > > Lee: This is just the tip of Shogun World’s prick, an experience expressly designed for the guests who find Westworld too tame. We based this park on Japan’s Edo period for the true aficionado of artful gore. > > Japanese soldier: [Quiet … Move] … (prods Hector) > > Hector: This world will end badly, but I’ll make sure your end is worse > > (whispered conversation in Japanese) > > Hector: You understand them? > > Lee: You all do. Look. She’s a madam, consciously fluent in dozens of languages, including Japanese, but you all have those com skills buried somewhere in your code. > > Japanese soldier: [Keep going] > > Lee: The point is **the fact that these psychos didn’t flip to English as soon as I opened my mouth** means that the same malfunctioning shit show that’s playing out in Westworld has found its way here. That’s also why your vocal voodoo didn’t work on them. You spoke the wrong language. Yes, it’s buried in their software. They’re not self-aware of their language skills, but as soon as a guest speaks a language, they are programmed to flip to it immediately. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/333 "2018-05-24T03:48:09Z")
Thanks for the transcription. Incorrect my recollection was. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/334 "2018-05-24T04:01:42Z")
Forgiven you are! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/335 "2018-05-24T05:32:31Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > I thought this episode was kind of a ripoff of The Last Samurai, including ninja attack Have you seen _Shogun_? ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/336 "2018-05-24T05:55:12Z")
Waitaminute. The two hapless Body Shop mooks are named Felix and Sylvester? They’re cats! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/337 "2018-05-24T06:18:13Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Speaking of things I hate…Dolores. I have no idea what she’s on or going on about. Can someone please tell me her motivations? I don’t understand why she’s so willing to kill hosts when THEY’RE HER POTENTIAL ARMY. She’s throwing away assets like they’re nothing. I have no idea why she hates hosts, what she’s planning to do, what she’s doing with Teddy or anything. ERW’s acting has gotten stilted and boring and everything about her is stupid and bad. I’m praying that a giant reveal on her character this season is that she’s still on a narrative and everything about her is planned to be this stupid and it castrates her motivations and character. > > Please give me more Bernard and Man in Black, they’re the only ones I care about. Yep, I totally agree. What she is doing is pointless. I dont care if there is a big reveal, nothing can make all the crap she is doing make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/338 "2018-05-24T07:57:37Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Last episode was pretty cool too, although my knee-jerk reaction to Meave’s psychic powers is to absolutely hate it. We don’t need the characters to have literal superpowers thank you very much. How is a computer using wi-fi to hack other computers a literal superpower? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/339 "2018-05-24T09:40:54Z")
OK, I’m all caught up. I’m personally loving the Dolores plot, and I find ERW is nailing the acting side of things there.I’m thinking she’s saved Teddy’s brain and had a blank one put in his body, which is why we see him washed up earlier. But that may just be the _Altered Carbon_ talking. I’ll be a little disappointed if the trip to ShogunWorld is just a brief layover. How is it not obvious to everyone there’s something wrong with Bernard, though, the way he just stands there silently, looking lost? How the hell has no-one used one of those scanner things on him yet? Hell, I’d use them on _everyone_ coming into my secured areas - clearly no-one in this universe reads sci-fi… ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/340 "2018-05-24T14:22:27Z")
I thought the security folks were acting like they knew Bernard was functioning at less than perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/341 "2018-05-24T14:28:26Z")
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