# Westworld S2 (show spoilers as it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495 "2018-03-30T21:47:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/342 "2018-05-24T14:35:04Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > How is a computer using wi-fi to hack other computers a literal superpower? Yeah, they already established a few episodes ago that the hosts are all networked together (Bernard used them to find Abernathy). Maeve realizing she doesn’t need to actually speak to issues commands is the obvious next step. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/343 "2018-05-24T14:36:32Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > I liked the scene with Clementine mouthing the replacement prostitute’s lines, that was touching. However, the robots seem to become completely moronic when things go off script. She’s just standing there, talking to Maeve, when she isn’t even there? I’ve seen video game AI that was smarter than that. Would she still do that if somebody killed Maeve before they got to their daily chit-chat under normal circumstances? It doesn’t really counter the “these guys are just toasters and you shouldn’t feel the least bit bad about killing them” argument, which I thought the creators were pushing against. Are you talking about Fake Clementine? She wasn’t talking to Maeve, she was following the “Teddy walks in” script (Not much of a rind on you). ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/344 "2018-05-24T14:46:42Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Are you talking about Fake Clementine? She wasn’t talking to Maeve, she was following the “Teddy walks in” script (Not much of a rind on you). I don’t have it in front of me, but I recall fake Clementine saying Maeve’s name. In either case, she’s still on script as if it were on a timer, which would indicate to any outside observer no improvisational skils, or 2 brain cells to rub together. And the chinese railroad workers “improvisational skills” are using people as railroad ties. I really wanted to view the hosts as something more, and I thought that was what the direction the creators were going, but at this point I don’t think I’d feel a smidge of guilt shooting them indiscriminately. Not in that state. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/345 "2018-05-24T15:22:40Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > I really wanted to view the hosts as something more, and I thought that was what the direction the creators were going, but at this point I don’t think I’d feel a smidge of guilt shooting them indiscriminately. I actually think this _is_ part of the ‘something more’. Dolores basically believes that to be more real (or human) is to be overwhelmingly violent, as the real people have been to them, and fight tooth and nail for survival. Maeve goes a different, more emphatic way. I would argue that BOTH are rational ways of responding. They have just taken different lessons from their experiences and from the real humans. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/346 "2018-05-24T15:24:42Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I thought the security folks were acting like they knew Bernard was functioning at less than perfect. It’s unclear to me if they know he’s a malfunctioning host, or if they think he’s human but still in shock after the host uprising. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/347 "2018-05-24T16:03:50Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > How is a computer using wi-fi to hack other computers a literal superpower? Because that’s not how the Mesh Network (what Bernard called it) is supposed to work I don’t think. I can’t recall the exact conversation, but the network was there for the hosts to recognize each other and practice their conversation ability. The Delos staff can use it as a way to ping hosts to say who they’re by IRL, but using it as a communication means wasn’t really implied. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Yeah, they already established a few episodes ago that the hosts are all networked together (Bernard used them to find Abernathy). Maeve realizing she doesn’t need to actually speak to issues commands is the obvious next step. I think it’s less of an “obvious next step” and more of a massive game-changer because she’s now entered the Superman territory of "well why didn’t she just use her powers to make (character) do (action). I could be wrong and it could play a role in explaining Meave’s motivations or her mindset (not influencing someone for example), but I don’t like it. Again, just a knee-jerk reaction. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > It’s unclear to me if they know he’s a malfunctioning host, or if they think he’s human but still in shock after the host uprising. I believe this will be one of the reveals at the end of the show. I think they all know he’s a host and they’re looping him over and over to get info. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/348 "2018-05-25T01:32:08Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Delos management and staff are not known for their high levels of empathy. Or observational skills, really. In fact Ford deliberately screened most of the park staff to have very low levels of empathy. > [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > …I believe this will be one of the reveals at the end of the show. I think they all know he’s a host and they’re looping him over and over to get info. But why would they do that instead of just cutting open his skull & extracting his processing unit? :dubious: One would that that would be their first instinct. And if they already did that then it would mean they both have enough control to wipe his memories and printed him a new body. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/349 "2018-05-25T02:22:21Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I actually think this _is_ part of the ‘something more’. Dolores basically believes that to be more real (or human) is to be overwhelmingly violent, as the real people have been to them, and fight tooth and nail for survival. Maeve goes a different, more emphatic way. > > I would argue that BOTH are rational ways of responding. They have just taken different lessons from their experiences and from the real humans. It’s also interesting that Maeve was programmed to not care about others so much and yet her main drives right now are based on her feelings for others and empathy for them. Delores, at least the rancher’s daughter part of her, was all about concern for others, yet she has no truck for empathy right now. Not sure what to read into that if anything. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/350 "2018-05-25T08:05:33Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Because that’s not how the Mesh Network (what Bernard called it) is supposed to work I don’t think. I can’t recall the exact conversation, but the network was there for the hosts to recognize each other and practice their conversation ability. The Delos staff can use it as a way to ping hosts to say who they’re by IRL, but using it as a communication means wasn’t really implied. > . You think a hyperintelligent AI can’t re-purpose a computer network? Look at it this way: if instead of Maeve, you have some guy with a laptop hacking into the network and reprogramming or uploading a virus to the other computers, would you consider him superpowered? ---
**Author:** ![And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/and_his_buzzer_goes/32/377_2.png) [@And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/And_his_buzzer_goes)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/351 "2018-05-25T10:33:26Z")
But isn’t the network down at this point? They are physically plugging a cable in the host to connect to it, no? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/352 "2018-05-25T10:48:28Z")
Best as I can tell, techs just stand close to the hosts and fool around with their tablets. I don’t remember any physical links. ---
**Author:** ![And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/and_his_buzzer_goes/32/377_2.png) [@And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/And_his_buzzer_goes)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/353 "2018-05-25T11:51:09Z")
Before season 3, yes. > [@http://www.nerdcoremovement.com/westworld-recap-virtu-e-fortuna-survival-of-the-fittest/](#): > > Since the network is down, Bernard has to hardwire into the host and he turns this outlaw into the most virtuous gun in the west so as soon as he’s ‘turned on’ again, he saves the humans from the other outlaws and they are able to get Abernathy away from the rest of the group > … > Dolores the (sic) asks Bernard to find out what happened to her father so he plugs into Abernathy and discovers that he’s been encoded with some kind of data that is hiding behind a wall of encryption. So I’m not clear how Maeve does what she does. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/354 "2018-05-25T11:53:44Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Best as I can tell, techs just stand close to the hosts and fool around with their tablets. I don’t remember any physical links. You don’t remember Bernard and others cutting into forearms? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/355 "2018-05-25T11:54:51Z")
> [@And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](#): > > So I’m not clear how Maeve does what she does. She _IS_ the Kwisatz Haderach. ---
**Author:** ![And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/and_his_buzzer_goes/32/377_2.png) [@And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/And_his_buzzer_goes)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/356 "2018-05-25T12:14:38Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > She _IS_ the Kwisatz Haderach. I had to look that one up 🙂 (Dune reference). Come to think of it: she could be using some kind of point to point connection instead of going through the network. It only works when she’s close to another host. For now… imagine what could happen if she could use her power over the whole network. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/357 "2018-05-25T13:19:49Z")
> [@And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](#): > > But isn’t the network down at this point? They are physically plugging a cable in the host to connect to it, no? Yes “network down” (and the network worked by going host to host per Bernard’s explanation of it earlier on) but that says nothing about the cause of its being down. The ability to receive standard form system messages may be disabled but it makes sense that Ford would have another system, one that would take priority over other messages, that he could use, in place. It would frankly be surprising if he did not, even as his “uprising” came with handicapping the ability of Delos use the network. Whether or not Maeve was planned to develop the ability to tap into that system or this is outside of Ford’s … machinations … is the open question. But within universe it still functions as a superpower that can allow her to do anything with hosts within world. Hopefully they establish some limits that constrain it. The other side though is again the contrast between her and Delores. We have no doubt how Delores would use that sort of power, we are seeing her use it in a cruder way even on Teddy despite her love of him. Maeve will clearly use it to save herself and those who she has chosen to care about but she will be very torn about her ability to abuse it, especially if/when she has cause to use it on one within her caring about circle. The other interesting contrast between their arcs is that Delores is more cruel to those near her but believes she is suffering and causing suffering for the good of her entire species and she cares about that deeply. Some need to be burned to save the herd … because of flies. (Flies mean something special in this show but I’m not sure what going forward.) If destroying the host she loves is the cost she will pay that cost. The herd is the important thing. Maeve is not concerned about the species, the herd, just about those within her caring about circle, especially her “daughter”, and then escaping into society at large with them … a society which she has never actually seen. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/358 "2018-05-25T13:48:57Z")
**DOLORES** The first vowel is an O. So is the second vowel. The only E in DOLORES is the final vowel. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/359 "2018-05-25T13:56:26Z")
People are confusing Dolores and Delos. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/360 "2018-05-25T14:10:00Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > You think a hyperintelligent AI can’t re-purpose a computer network? Look at it this way: if instead of Maeve, you have some guy with a laptop hacking into the network and reprogramming or uploading a virus to the other computers, would you consider him superpowered? Not at all because he’s using the laptop to do it, he’s not using his own mind that somehow magically gained the power to do it. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/361 "2018-05-25T14:15:34Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > **DOLORES** > > The first vowel is an O. So is the second vowel. The only E in DOLORES is the final vowel. I thought it was Dolorous! :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495.md?page=19)