# Westworld S2 (show spoilers as it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495 "2018-03-30T21:47:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/462 "2018-06-07T18:52:22Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > …and have the hots have squibs… Lots of guests had the hots for the hosts. ---
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/463 "2018-06-11T02:27:11Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > The only way “consciousness transference” could ever be anything other than creating a perfect, fully sapient, copy of a human’s memories and personality indistinguishable from the original would be if human beings did in fact have an immortal soul or life-force that could somehow removed from the body. Which is utter nonsense. Maybe, little-by-little. Add a co-processor to your brain. It gradually takes over a dying part. Then another co-processor. Etc. Or, maybe that five-year-old-you is already dead. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/464 "2018-06-11T03:36:38Z")
Dolores has a new designation: Deathbringer. It’s becoming increasingly clear that Ford planned for these violent delights to have violent ends. His final F-U to William & Co. from beyond the grave? Ghost Nation guy must be the first host to have become aware. He isn’t a bad guy, just misunderstood. Maeve just confused him in her memories with MiB. Also it looks like Maeve’s WiFi reprogramming trick doesn’t work with woke hosts. But she can still use the network to communicate. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/465 "2018-06-11T03:37:25Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The more I think about it, the more this seems likely to be this season’s audience mindfuck. There’s no reason why there _can’t_ be multiple Bernards wandering around. Agreed. This seems likely. Also, it’s the only reason I can think of why there is a need for a Bernard without glasses, so we can tell them apart (and we’re back to the sloppy writing). ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/466 "2018-06-11T03:41:25Z")
That was one of the most beautiful episodes of TV that I have ever seen. And it turns out there are a lot more ‘woke’ than we had any idea about (such as the entire Ghost Nation, who was awoken by one host). Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/467 "2018-06-11T03:49:12Z")
After a quick Google (and being distracted by Youtube), the Ghost Nation guy’s name is Akecheta. He’s played by Zahn McClarnon, who gave possibly the strongest performance of the season. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/468 "2018-06-11T03:59:57Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m actually quite looking forward to the _Ghost Nation - Behind The [del]Music[/del]Murder_ episode coming up. I hope it’s _entirely_ subtitled 🙂 Pretty damn close! ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/469 "2018-06-11T08:31:47Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > there are a lot more ‘woke’ than we had any idea about The past participle of ‘wake’ is ‘woken’ or ‘waked’ innit? I checked the _Oxford Dictionary of English_. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/470 "2018-06-11T08:40:06Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > The past participle of ‘wake’ is ‘woken’ or ‘waked’ innit? I checked the _Oxford Dictionary of English_. [Not in the colloquial sense](http://www.dictionary.com/browse/woke?s=t): > [@](#): > > adjective, Slang. (often used in the phrase stay woke) > actively aware of systemic injustices and prejudices, especially those related to civil and human rights: > In light of recent incidents of police brutality, it’s important to stay woke. > He took one African American history class and now he thinks he’s woke. Of course there’s a double meaning here; the hosts are in some sense waking up. But they’re also _woke_. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/471 "2018-06-11T15:03:46Z")
[This article sums up the episode very well](https://www.theringer.com/tv/2018/6/11/17447894/westworld-kiksuya) A beautiful hour of television that just shows how much potential this show has, and how much of it is wasted on stupid “gotcha!” moments and non-linear storytelling. Hands-down up there with The Riddle of the Sphynx as one of the best episodes this season. I’m still not crazy about the show’s pacing, but we should hopefully be getting some good episodes in the next 2 weeks. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/472 "2018-06-11T16:30:08Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > A beautiful hour of television that just shows how much potential this show has, and how much of it is wasted on stupid “gotcha!” moments and non-linear storytelling. The shows fundamental problem is that, logically, a violent rebellion like this would be easily and brutally suppressed. Helicopters, machine guns, APCs, etc. would make short work of hosts using 19th century technology. Most of the ridiculous nonsense we are seeing is trying to work around this fundamental problem. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/473 "2018-06-11T16:47:57Z")
> [@treis](#): > > The shows fundamental problem is that, logically, a violent rebellion like this would be easily and brutally suppressed. Helicopters, machine guns, APCs, etc. would make short work of hosts using 19th century technology. Most of the ridiculous nonsense we are seeing is trying to work around this fundamental problem. I think the Chinese take a dim view of anyone operating high-powered weapons systems in what is nominally their territory. Especially after their offer of help has been rejected. Delos has made its bed and now can lie in it. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/474 "2018-06-11T18:37:20Z")
One can also argue that the Delos forces are likely more concerned with making sure the hosts are in relatively good shape, so they can extract the “brains” (their IP) and therefore are using less firepower than you usually would in that situation if you were someone else. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/475 "2018-06-11T18:49:22Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > One can also argue that the Delos forces are likely more concerned with making sure the hosts are in relatively good shape, so they can extract the “brains” (their IP) and therefore are using less firepower than you usually would in that situation if you were someone else. They seem to have no problem using lethal force against the hosts. They just insist on doing it in the dumbest way possible. > [@Terminus Est](#): > > I think the Chinese take a dim view of anyone operating high-powered weapons systems in what is nominally their territory. Especially after their offer of help has been rejected. Delos has made its bed and now can lie in it. If they can’t have Apaches and Bradley Fighting Vehicles even civilian technology provides a decisive advantage. Mobility from vehicles, intel from drones, communications from cell phones, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/476 "2018-06-11T20:08:54Z")
> [@treis](#): > > They seem to have no problem using lethal force against the hosts. They just insist on doing it in the dumbest way possible. > > If they can’t have Apaches and Bradley Fighting Vehicles even civilian technology provides a decisive advantage. Mobility from vehicles, intel from drones, communications from cell phones, etc. You mean that literally walking across an open field towards enemies, armed only with short range weaponry, isn’t a good idea? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/477 "2018-06-11T21:30:06Z")
> [@treis](#): > > They seem to have no problem using lethal force against the hosts. They just insist on doing it in the dumbest way possible. > > If they can’t have Apaches and Bradley Fighting Vehicles even civilian technology provides a decisive advantage. Mobility from vehicles, intel from drones, communications from cell phones, etc. Hubris. Remember, the humans are certain that they’re dealing with a handful of malfunctioning amusement park animatronics, not an army of killer robots - who are, incidentally, stronger, faster, more accurate and more durable than any human - under the command of a full artificial intelligence. Park Security were out of their depth to begin with, while the QA have such a low opinion of Security that they naturally underestimated the threat. Hubris is a recurring theme in the show. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/478 "2018-06-12T00:11:12Z")
Great episode, one of the best. Definitely shows how weak the show has been this year. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/479 "2018-06-12T00:34:39Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > One can also argue that the Delos forces are likely more concerned with making sure the hosts are in relatively good shape, so they can extract the “brains” (their IP) and therefore are using less firepower than you usually would in that situation if you were someone else. It’s reminiscent of Hammond not allowing Jurassic Park’s gamekeepers to have adequate weaponry because the dinosaurs were so valuable. Granted it’s much easier to replace Hosts than dinosaurs, and you wouldn’t need nearly as powerful weapons to take them down. ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/480 "2018-06-12T04:33:18Z")
I am still so in love with this show. You gotta stop overthinking it and enjoy the story as it comes. I had no idea who Zahn McClarnon was but after this episode I had to find out more about him. You all probably know more about him, I don’t watch much TV, but I just thought he was wonderful. This was by far my favorite episode. I loved everything about it but I don’t worry about what’s unrealistic. It’s all pretty damned unrealistic to me. I love learning about every character and how it all ties in together in this web. I get in to all the channels that go over the episodes and look forward to my email communications from Delos. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/481 "2018-06-12T05:18:51Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > I had no idea who Zahn McClarnon was but after this episode I had to find out more about him. You should give Fargo a try. It might not be your cup of tea( it is both quirky and violent, heavy on the black humor ), but it highly lauded and McClarnon does a good job in its second season. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495.md?page=25)