# Westworld S2 (show spoilers as it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495 "2018-03-30T21:47:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/482 "2018-06-12T09:47:15Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Hubris. Remember, the humans are certain that they’re dealing with a handful of malfunctioning amusement park animatronics, not an army of killer robots - who are, incidentally, stronger, faster, more accurate and more durable than any human - under the command of a full artificial intelligence. Park Security were out of their depth to begin with, while the QA have such a low opinion of Security that they naturally underestimated the threat. So basically it’s Five Nights at Freddy’s with a bigger budget? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/483 "2018-06-12T09:57:39Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > I had no idea who Zahn McClarnon was but after this episode I had to find out more about him. I’ve heard good things about _Longmire_, and he’s in all 6 seasons of that (not main cast, but a series regular.) Not my genre (police show) but YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/and_his_buzzer_goes/32/377_2.png) [@And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/And_his_buzzer_goes)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/484 "2018-06-12T10:41:21Z")
The scene where Akecheta found the man-in-the-maze disc with Dolores as the deathbringer v1: was it a try-out for Ford’s “violent end” on Bernard or was it Arnold’s “accident”. It’s clearly Bernard that has been shot or have we been getting incorrect images of Arnold in the flashbacks? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/485 "2018-06-12T14:38:23Z")
> [@And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](#): > > The scene where Akecheta found the man-in-the-maze disc with Dolores as the deathbringer v1: was it a try-out for Ford’s “violent end” on Bernard or was it Arnold’s “accident”. It’s clearly Bernard that has been shot or have we been getting incorrect images of Arnold in the flashbacks? Pretty sure that was Arnold. What makes you think it was Bernard? ---
**Author:** ![And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/and_his_buzzer_goes/32/377_2.png) [@And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/And_his_buzzer_goes)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/486 "2018-06-12T14:45:27Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Pretty sure that was Arnold. What makes you think it was Bernard? You’re making me wonder now, I was convinced I saw Bernard on the floor in front of the chair. I’ll check when I get home… ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/487 "2018-06-12T14:56:01Z")
I’m also quite certain it was Arnold. This was a scene from the first massacre 30 years ago. It’s why Ford told him “when the Deathbringer comes again…” because Ford knew it would happen again. Something I wish this episode explained but didn’t: How come bullets didn’t affect them? If you remember in the first season, Stubbs and Elsie were attacked by the Ghost Nation and tried to do the “Cease all motor functions” thing and it didn’t work (presumably because they were woke), but they also shot The Nation with bullets and that didn’t work either. I wonder why… ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/488 "2018-06-12T15:28:08Z")
> [@And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](#): > > You’re making me wonder now, I was convinced I saw Bernard on the floor in front of the chair. I’ll check when I get home… I mean, they look the same, how can you really tell them apart? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/489 "2018-06-12T16:21:21Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I mean, they look the same, how can you really tell them apart? It wasn’t Arnold or Bernard - it was Clyde! Or possibly David, Ernest, Frank, Gary… ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/490 "2018-06-12T16:34:50Z")
_Heart Shaped Box,_ FUCK YES!!! That Lydian “Devil’s Tritone” never gets old. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/491 "2018-06-12T16:47:41Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > _Heart Shaped Box,_ FUCK YES!!! > > That Lydian “Devil’s Tritone” never gets old. I can’t wait for the full Season 2 soundtrack to get released. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/492 "2018-06-12T18:07:05Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I mean, they look the same, how can you really tell them apart? That’s another bizarre thing about Westworld. How is it that no one noticed/commented on how Bernard is an exact physical copy of the guy that cofounded the park? ---
**Author:** ![And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/and_his_buzzer_goes/32/377_2.png) [@And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/And_his_buzzer_goes)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/493 "2018-06-12T18:21:46Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I mean, they look the same, how can you really tell them apart? I had just made a screengrab and everything, but looking around the net showed me I missed a part. ☹ > [@https://screenrant.com/westworld-who-is-arnold-bernard/](#): > > When Ford first showed the photo of himself and Arnold to Bernard, the host only saw two people in the photo - Ford, and another man whose true identity at the time was unknown. In “The Well-Tempered Clavier” it is revealed that that there were actually three people in the picture, but Bernard was incapable of seeing Arnold due to the same limits that prevent the other hosts from understanding pictures of things from the outside world (“It doesn’t look like anything to me.”) In this penultimate episode we finally see a complete version of the photo, with Arnold standing on the right and Ford on the left. > > Some eagle-eyed fans (thanks to Twitter user @heyyjohann for pointing this out) have noticed that the man in the middle is actually the host version of Ford’s father, who Bernard found living in a secret house in Westworld in the episode, “The Adversary.” I was expecting the guy in the middle as Arnold, isn’t he shown in some of the flashbacks of Dolores? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/494 "2018-06-12T21:16:21Z")
> [@treis](#): > > That’s another bizarre thing about Westworld. How is it that no one noticed/commented on how Bernard is an exact physical copy of the guy that cofounded the park? That’s always bothered me, too. How could Elsie possibly have been surprised that Bernard is a host, when he’s the exact image of the park co-founder? Sure, in-story it might be the case that Arnold was reclusive and so there’s not a lot of extant video or photos of him—but NO photos at all? Not plausible. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/495 "2018-06-12T21:41:08Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > That’s always bothered me, too. How could Elsie possibly have been surprised that Bernard is a host, when he’s the exact image of the park co-founder? Sure, in-story it might be the case that Arnold was reclusive and so there’s not a lot of extant video or photos of him—but NO photos at all? Not plausible. Bear in mind that Ford has had 30 years or so to scrub the records clean. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/496 "2018-06-12T22:47:51Z")
> [@treis](#): > > That’s another bizarre thing about Westworld. How is it that no one noticed/commented on how Bernard is an exact physical copy of the guy that cofounded the park? They outright stated on the show that Ford went to extreme lengths to erase his former business partner from the record, to the extent that nobody’s even seen a photo of Arnold. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/497 "2018-06-12T22:59:04Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > They outright stated on the show that Ford went to extreme lengths to erase his former business partner from the record, to the extent that nobody’s even seen a photo of Arnold. Points to them for trying to deal with the plot hole, but it IS a plot hole. Is this supposed to be a world with no Internet (or future equivalent)? How could one guy ‘erase the record’ of all traces of the co-founder of a company large enough to have, as customers, the world’s wealthy and influential? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/498 "2018-06-12T23:10:48Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Points to them for trying to deal with the plot hole, but it IS a plot hole. Is this supposed to be a world with no Internet (or future equivalent)? How could one guy ‘erase the record’ of all traces of the co-founder of a company large enough to have, as customers, the world’s wealthy and influential? I don’t remember the timeline exactly, but by the time Delos got involved, wasn’t Arnold already dead? Arnold created the tech, but Ford created “Westworld.” ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/499 "2018-06-13T01:26:00Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I don’t remember the timeline exactly, but by the time Delos got involved, wasn’t Arnold already dead? Arnold created the tech, but Ford created “Westworld.” Yes, Arnold was shot before the park opened. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/500 "2018-06-13T01:46:41Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Hubris. Remember, the humans are certain that they’re dealing with a handful of malfunctioning amusement park animatronics, not an army of killer robots - who are, incidentally, stronger, faster, more accurate and more durable than any human - under the command of a full artificial intelligence. Park Security were out of their depth to begin with, while the QA have such a low opinion of Security that they naturally underestimated the threat. > > Hubris is a recurring theme in the show. Although Disney doesn’t have a Rapid Deployment Force armed with dunebuggies and FN P90 submachineguns in case the Pirates of the Caribbean try to attack the tourists. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/501 "2018-06-13T02:18:05Z")
All I can say is that was a fantastic episode. Zahn McClarnon is an incredible actor. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495.md?page=26)