# Westworld S2 (show spoilers as it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495 "2018-03-30T21:47:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/542 "2018-06-19T16:19:53Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And yet we saw him floating in the water in the flooded valley in the first episode. So either he comes back or it’s a different Teddy. I’m guessing he’ll be zombified by Clementine. Regarding Emily, they are clearly trying to keep it ambiguous whether she’s a host or not. Pretty much every time they could have verified it, they didn’t show. To what end, I don’t know. One point I noticed was that she told the story about the music box being thrown away. But it the end, she had William’s profile, which was last seen inside the music box. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/543 "2018-06-19T16:41:53Z")
Emily did throw away the music box, I guess, but her mom saw it and rescued it from the trash. By the time she committed suicide, it was in her desk drawer. ---
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/544 "2018-06-19T19:41:35Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > {…}Ford orchestrates a scenario in which William kills his own daughter, or believes he does, in order to bump _him_ into/back into reality. Implication being humans can become just as unwoke as the bots. So now you have me thinking that William might be a Ghola. That’s how you wake Gholas, right? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/545 "2018-06-19T20:00:41Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Emily did throw away the music box, I guess, but her mom saw it and rescued it from the trash. By the time she committed suicide, it was in her desk drawer. Yes, but Emily had the profile, so presumably she knew the music box wasn’t thrown away really. So was she lying to William or is she a host and Ford didn’t know about the music box? ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/546 "2018-06-19T20:15:21Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Yes, but Emily had the profile, so presumably she knew the music box wasn’t thrown away really. So was she lying to William or is she a host and Ford didn’t know about the music box? I thought Juliet took it out of the box later, watched some footage from it, and then hid it in a book. So Emily could have found it without having found the music box. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/547 "2018-06-19T20:29:19Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > I thought Juliet took it out of the box later, watched some footage from it, and then hid it in a book. So Emily could have found it without having found the music box. Other way around. William hid it in the book, Juliet took it out, and then hid it in the music box. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/548 "2018-06-20T15:10:51Z")
Emily inherited/found the music box after her mom’s death, with the profile inside it. Did anyone else notice that William’s profile said “Subject #0002?” So who’s subject #1? Ford? Human Bernard? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/549 "2018-06-20T15:18:20Z")
James Delos. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/550 "2018-06-20T15:21:27Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > James Delos. Which strongly suggests our beloved William has been a bot for quite some time. Wonder where the original went. Also: am I the last person on earth to realize Westworld was a thing in 1973? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/551 "2018-06-20T15:27:45Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Which strongly suggests our beloved William has been a bot for quite some time. Wonder where the original went. > > Also: am I the last person on earth to realize Westworld was a thing in 1973? I think the “Subject” number is when they started scanning their brain, not a “we turned them into a robot” number. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/552 "2018-06-20T16:27:24Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > They’ve already established that it does not work on woke hosts … but Charlotte does not know that. I didnt catch that. When was that? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/553 "2018-06-20T16:56:27Z")
The series has been renewed for a third season: ['Westworld' Renewed for Season 3 at HBO](https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/westworld-renewed-season-3-hbo-1202794092/) > [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > …Also: am I the last person on earth to realize Westworld was a thing in 1973? Hmm. Could be! The movie screenplay is available in paperback on Amazon: [Westworld (film) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westworld_(film)) ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/554 "2018-06-20T18:29:49Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I didnt catch that. When was that? When Maeve was trying to influence Lawrence to shoot William. She had to convince him and jog his memories instead of directly influencing him through robot mind-meld like she did with the Shogun world fighters. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/555 "2018-06-21T01:14:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I didnt catch that. When was that? NM. Should have read. Beat to it hours ago. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/556 "2018-06-23T02:05:27Z")
What if Realworld is in ruins and the park has just been looping for centuries? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/557 "2018-06-23T04:10:21Z")
We’ve seen guests arriving (with and without rinds), and Maeve getting on the train to leave the park, more recently than that. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/558 "2018-06-23T05:46:38Z")
_Westworld_ is out to lunch. It’s entering _LOST_ territory at this point. The story is getting so convoluted that I’ve stopped caring. Something I’ve realized recently, as regards dramatic series, is that small-scale storylines are actually usually more interesting than large-scale ones. What do most people _really_ remember from great movies and shows - the overarching story, or the individual moments and scenes and dialog that stand out? More and more, I’m feeling like a long convoluted story is only worthwhile if it is the setup for some kind of major twist. The thing about that, though, is that it takes good writers with an actual plan to pull that off - which I’m not convinced the _Westworld_ folks do. Part of the genius of my favorite recent show, _Black Mirror_, is that the anthology format allows them to create individual, compartmentalized worlds with each episode, yet retain a sense of continuity and immersion that tie them together cohesively. It’s like, they’re all kinda-sorta taking place in _Black Mirror_-world, but in differing timelines. They make it work. Every episode is gripping and fascinating. That’s the new way forward for the dramatic series, in my opinion. Long protracted “mytharcs” are played out. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/559 "2018-06-24T13:02:49Z")
Do the writers not know plain whiskey in a glass, no ice, is enjoyed “neat”, not “straight”? Or are they concerned the audience won’t? > [@Skammer](#): > > Didn’t the extraction team scan the back of William’s skull and confirm that he wasn’t a host? Or did I misunderstand what they were doing? They confirmed a lack of explosive in his spine, which is not quite the same (Maeve for one currently has no explosive there). > [@alphaboi867](#): > > I think father & daughter are both human. Emily being a Host makes her father shooting her completely meaningless; William being a Host after all this time is too much of a mind screw to make dramatic sense. Cosigned. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/560 "2018-06-25T02:34:05Z")
Whoa . . . . Gonna have to process that one for a bit. Sleep on it. It sure held my attention, though. Especially the after credits bit. Sure hope everyone stuck around for _that_. I really enjoyed Logan/Master Control Program. Our consciousnesses are just simple algorithms that are passengers in our bodies. Heavy. Explains a lot, though. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![HammerJoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a6a055/32.png) [@HammerJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HammerJoe)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/561 "2018-06-25T02:46:15Z")
My goodness what a disaster this season 2. Amazing season 1 and waited patiently for season 2 and after 10 episodes I was disappointed. What the heck happened?? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495.md?page=29)