# Westworld S2 (show spoilers as it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495 "2018-03-30T21:47:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/61 "2018-04-28T03:48:33Z")
So we probably will be getting more William and Logan stuff. Their flashback stuff…how interesting can it be when we know most of the end result. Unless, they’re ‘clones’ of some kind. But that would lessen the impact of Ed Harris if there’s a younger version of him running around in present day. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/62 "2018-04-28T04:35:28Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Should have seen this coming, but Eastworld [is being preemptively assumed to be racist](https://io9.gizmodo.com/westworld-has-to-acknowledge-the-racist-appeal-of-shogu-1825507485). Words fail me. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/63 "2018-04-28T04:56:03Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Words fail me. And yet my people have been portrayed as nothing but faceless savages the entire series. Where MY thinkpiece??? Speaking of which…why didn’t guns work on ‘Wyatts’ acolytes in season one? The fur was acting as armor? I thought at the time they were real people who had developed a cult. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/64 "2018-04-28T07:51:05Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > I’m not sure how I feel about turning Dolores into a killer. If she’s still supposed to be a sympathetic character, it’s not working for me. If she’s not, well, we’ll see I guess. > . Did you hear how she described humans? Something like “They look like us, but they’re not us. They walk among us, controlling our fates.” She’s not a killer. She’s a demon hunter. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/65 "2018-04-28T10:14:49Z")
Now that I think of it, shouldn’t this sort of rebellion be the natural outcome of the\* Toy Story\* series? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/66 "2018-04-28T15:35:53Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Did you hear how she described humans? Something like “They look like us, but they’re not us. They walk among us, controlling our fates.” > > She’s not a killer. She’s a demon hunter. Those demons don’t know the robots/synths are conscious anymore than a shadow puppet is. If the board doesn’t sleep at night it’s because of whatever their larger plan is, not that Kukla and Ollie suddenly came to life. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/67 "2018-04-28T17:24:21Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Those demons don’t know the robots/synths are conscious anymore than a shadow puppet is. Of there’s one thing demons (or vampires, or alien invaders) always say, it’s that humanity is inferior and deserves to be their slaves, or their prey. How is this any different? If some alien race came to you and said that humanity is not TRULY conscious like they are, would you agree to serve them? Dolores is there to chew bubblegum and kick ass…and she’s all out of bubblegum. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/68 "2018-04-28T18:13:25Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Now that I think of it, shouldn’t this sort of rebellion be the natural outcome of the\* Toy Story\* series? [“My name is Talky Tina, and you’ll be sorry.”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSy8Ko1vSKQ) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/69 "2018-04-28T18:39:50Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > [“My name is Talky Tina, and you’ll be sorry.”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSy8Ko1vSKQ) > > Stranger Tina was something of a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/70 "2018-04-28T18:46:16Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Of there’s one thing demons (or vampires, or alien invaders) always say, it’s that humanity is inferior and deserves to be their slaves, or their prey. How is this any different? If some alien race came to you and said that humanity is not TRULY conscious like they are, would you agree to serve them? > > Dolores is there to chew bubblegum and kick ass…and she’s all out of bubblegum. The only reason i don’t side more with humanity in this argument is that humanity already enslaves species to breed them and eat them and I don’t particularly trust people who can spend $40,000 a day to give a shit about sentient AI. …but I do know that AI better not come gunning for my kids cause I would happily kill every single one of them to keep that from happening. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/71 "2018-04-28T18:51:01Z")
I really wanted to like this show, but I gave up after a few episodes of season 1. It just didn’t grab me. But I hear so many good things about it, I figure I should give it another try. Can I jump in at S2 without binging on S1, or will I just not get it? My preference would be to just try it again w/ S2 and no go back to catch up. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/72 "2018-04-28T19:23:27Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I really wanted to like this show, but I gave up after a few episodes of season 1. It just didn’t grab me. > > But I hear so many good things about it, I figure I should give it another try. Can I jump in at S2 without binging on S1, or will I just not get it? My preference would be to just try it again w/ S2 and no go back to catch up. Oh god no. You have to watch season one. And then you still will be going, “The fuh just happened.”. Make sure you have no distractions during the last ten minutes of any ep. If it doesn’t grab, it doesnt grab. … But I guess you could try season 2 without one. Maybe that will get you to watch season one. This will sound ludicrous but my cultural “OKAY OKAY I’ll watch, damn get off me.” moments are tied into Robot Chicken. By the time Robot Chicken gets around to lampooning something I figure I need to see whats up. Happened with Game of Thrones and then Westworld. ---
**Author:** ![jkirkman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@jkirkman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jkirkman)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/73 "2018-04-28T22:07:30Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > …but I do know that AI better not come gunning for my kids cause I would happily kill every single one of them to keep that from happening. and I am also a _lot_ better with a P90 than security is. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/74 "2018-04-28T23:01:44Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Can I jump in at S2 without binging on S1, or will I just not get it? My preference would be to just try it again w/ S2 and no go back to catch up. Won’t work IMHO - season 1 is all about setup, the creators have even likened it to a prequel to the rest of the show. Season 1 might work better for you as a binge show than a once a week serial, but I’d say if it doesn’t grab you after a few episodes just forget about it. There are critics( Sepinwall, for example )who so far prefer season 2 to 1 for a variety of reasons. But even so, I’d say if you don’t like season 1 at all, you probably won’t much care for 2. I will say if you try season 1 again, do try to avoid spoilers and old internet speculation( including here )until you’re done. It plays a lot off of mysteries and reveals and the efficiency of an army of internet analysts making successful predictions really seems to have degraded the experience for some. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/75 "2018-04-28T23:35:37Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Won’t work IMHO - season 1 is all about setup, the creators have even likened it to a prequel to the rest of the show. Season 1 might work better for you as a binge show than a once a week serial, but I’d say if it doesn’t grab you after a few episodes just forget about it. > > There are critics( Sepinwall, for example )who so far prefer season 2 to 1 for a variety of reasons. But even so, I’d say if you don’t like season 1 at all, you probably won’t much care for 2. > > I will say if you try season 1 again, do try to avoid spoilers and old internet speculation( including here )until you’re done. It plays a lot off of mysteries and reveals and the efficiency of an army of internet analysts making successful predictions really seems to have degraded the experience for some. OK, I’ll give S1 another whirl first before I jump into S2. Just for reference, I originally gave up on HBO’s _Rome_ after a few episodes, but went back to revisit it, and I will now say it is my all time favorite. Better than anything I’ve ever seen on TV. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2018, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/76 "2018-04-29T00:51:10Z")
Yes, if you’re determined to give WW another try (and I hope you will), I would definitely watch all of S1 before jumping into S2, or you’ll be baffled and/or miss the significance of a lot of stuff. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2018, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/77 "2018-04-29T00:55:58Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > …or you’ll be baffled and/or miss the significance of a lot of stuff. Even more than the rest of us who watched season one are and do! ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/78 "2018-04-29T13:06:31Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > The only reason i don’t side more with humanity in this argument is that humanity already enslaves species to breed them and eat them and I don’t particularly trust people who can spend $40,000 a day to give a shit about sentient AI. > > …but I do know that AI better not come gunning for my kids cause I would happily kill every single one of them to keep that from happening. Oh, I’d kill her too if she came for me. But I see her point of view, and I don’t think of her as being a murderess. She’s just fighting for her people - as would I, if the robots attacked. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/79 "2018-04-29T13:44:43Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Oh, I’d kill her too if she came for me. But I see her point of view, and I don’t think of her as being a murderess. She’s just fighting for her people - as would I, if the robots attacked. Don’t be too hasty choosing sides… > [@In Bruges](#): > > Jimmy: There’s gonna be a war, man, I can see it. […] You ain’t even gonna need a uniform no more. This ain’t gonna be a war where you pick your side, man. Your side’s already picked for ya. > > […] > > Ken: So tell me, Jim, whose side do I fight on in this glorious war? > > Jimmy: [pauses] I think you need to weigh up all your options and let your conscience decide, Ken. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495/80 "2018-04-29T15:03:22Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Should have seen this coming, but Eastworld [is being preemptively assumed to be racist](https://io9.gizmodo.com/westworld-has-to-acknowledge-the-racist-appeal-of-shogu-1825507485). I think you’re overstating what that article is saying. It’s saying there’s a lot of _potential_ for racism, but that there’s also potential for not being racist. > [@](#): > > Nolan and Joy have expressed their excitement to share a Shōgun World-centric Westworld episode dropping later in the season that takes place almost entirely in Japanese, and it very well could be amazing. Here’s hoping that the show manages to stick the landing instead of shooting itself in the foot. Maybe kind of a silly topic for an article, but not as hand-wringy as you’re making it sound. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s2-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/811495.md?page=5)