# Westworld S3 (show spoilers as it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 15, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565 "2019-06-15T15:59:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/181 "2020-04-06T21:37:10Z")
Loving it more than ever. I’m not trying to argue with people who don’t like it, I’m just saying the entire show my daughter and I were on the edge of our seats, totally in to the story playing out. The big reveal shocked us both. We had suspicions about the “Halores-Dolores” but not the rest. There are still more questions to answer and I am looking forward to learning more. Ed Harris was magnificent in his role, same as always. I am wondering still what’s real and what’s simulation. Maybe we are still partially in Westworld… in simulation form. The mirror world? ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/182 "2020-04-06T21:46:05Z")
Oh also the soundtrack. I went looking for it before the show was even over. I had no idea it was some popular song redone but it’s not surprising since it’s been done before, I just wasn’t familiar with the original and honestly to me they sound almost nothing alike. [Wicked Games - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxeu6z6serY) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2020, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/183 "2020-04-06T22:23:18Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Yeah, like honestly, I think I would have rather had the show stay in the theme park. I think it would have been far more interesting watching people deal with the political, economic and technical challenges of entertaining the wealthy in a “murder simulation park” as the hosts become more advanced and self aware, rather than just defaulting to “kill all humans!” Maybe, but that’s not the series we have. Right now, we have a cool cyberpunk action show, and I’m perfectly fine with that. Also, your idea sounds pretty, well, slow. There’s something to be said for a show that changes its premise each season. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2020, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/184 "2020-04-06T23:08:07Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > Hm? They pretty much straight up explicitly said it was copies of Dolores, at least in the most recent episode. As for William, the question is if the original William is even still around/alive or if it is all digital copies of him at this point. I posted before the episode aired. The ‘all are Dolores’ development is kind of a head-scratcher, though: Dolores isn’t really known for being willing to follow the orders of others. So why are four Doloreses (!) willing to meekly follow the orders of the fifth? (Or is it five, of the sixth…I’m not sure I care at this point.) _Each of them would expect to be in charge_. It doesn’t make sense in terms of her character. Unless she “operated” on all the pearls to make the other Doloreses more submissive, and we have no evidence that she has that capacity. A logical development of five (or six?) Doloreses is that they’d immediately go to war against each other. > [@DPRK](#): > > Speaking of bad writing, though, the encryption key degrades after exposure to oxygen? Seriously? And when was it exposed, since she drew blood directly from the poor guy’s neck? And why would it rapidly degrade in one guy’s blood but not another’s? That dialogue probably sounded cool when they thought it up, but could have used a bit of doctoring. That’s the type of thing I dislike intensely—an implausible plot device, needed to construct a fake-suspenseful scene. Dumb. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/185 "2020-04-07T00:02:13Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > It doesn’t make sense in terms of her character. Unless she “operated” on all the pearls to make the other Doloreses more submissive, and we have no evidence that she has that capacity. > > A logical development of five (or six?) Doloreses is that they’d immediately go to war against each other. We had a scene of the Charlotte one being brought online, and she did seem pretty messed with (does seem fatally hypocritical on the part of Dolores!), not even exactly sure who she was at first, carving herself up, etc. Now, Bernard (or Arnold) could have easily done that programming, but they showed (I think) that that Charlotte was printed before Bernard. Dolores supposedly knows everything from every park guest (does that include Charlotte or did she put Charlotte’s profile together the hard way?), but not sure how much that includes on programming hosts or if she has Bernard’s or Arnold’s data. Another consideration is that she printed out those pearls before she left the park; I don’t feel like re-watching so I don’t remember how much we know about how much time she had, what technical knowledge she had at the time, what versions of the Dolores software she had access to besides her own, and what Bernard helped her with. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/186 "2020-04-07T00:51:34Z")
Charlotte’s profile is apparently missing major details about her life, like having a child. I wonder what charity the high class sex auction was for. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/187 "2020-04-07T05:01:36Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I posted before the episode aired. > > The ‘all are Dolores’ development is kind of a head-scratcher, though: Dolores isn’t really known for being willing to follow the orders of others. Other non-Doloreses perhaps. But Dolores is a fanatic, it makes perfect sense she’d only fully trust herself. > [@](#): > > So why are four Doloreses (!) willing to meekly follow the orders of the fifth? (Or is it five, of the sixth…I’m not sure I care at this point.) _Each of them would expect to be in charge_. > > A logical development of five (or six?) Doloreses is that they’d immediately go to war against each other. Eh, I’m just not seeing it. I’ve seen nothing to suggest she’d be insanely competitive with _herself_. Dolores Prime was first off the starting line, so it makes some sense she’d stay all Dolores’ed out. A more reasonable point IMO is that arguably _none_ of them should be in a Dolores body. For a bit more security Dolores Prime could have stayed as Hale and doled out other disguises to the rest. However I don’t think _that_ is a gaping plot hole. Obviously Dolores _prefers_ being Dolores as Haleores made very clear. And knowledge of who Dolores is and looks like mostly died in Westworld. A handful of wealthy patrons from past decades might vaguely recognize her, but absent context would almost certainly dismiss it as deja vu - just another familiar-looking pretty blond. Meanwhile there is arguably some utility to having a non-plant operative working things from the outside while clones work the inside. > [@](#): > > That’s the type of thing I dislike intensely—an implausible plot device, needed to construct a fake-suspenseful scene. > > Dumb. It sorta is. But it doesn’t really spoil my enjoyment :D. I can’t entirely disagree with many of the arrows being slung, but I’m just not that picky. It’s working for me okay - still a solid B to B- of a show. No _Better Call Saul_, but a damn sight better than random network sitcom #3. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/188 "2020-04-07T05:51:24Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > Loving it more than ever. I’m not trying to argue with people who don’t like it, I’m just saying the entire show my daughter and I were on the edge of our seats, totally in to the story playing out. The big reveal shocked us both. We had suspicions about the “Halores-Dolores” but not the rest. …? Big reveal?- that team Dolores is all Dolores? I saw that last epi. Still, lots more robots killing humans. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/189 "2020-04-07T06:06:19Z")
Maybe Dolores should have _not_ armed her mooks with WiFi-controlled self-aiming guns? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/190 "2020-04-07T06:25:33Z")
I don’t think she anticipated Maeve. She won’t be doing it again. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/191 "2020-04-07T11:31:34Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > Speaking of bad writing, though, the encryption key degrades after exposure to oxygen? Seriously? And when was it exposed, since she drew blood directly from the poor guy’s neck? And why would it rapidly degrade in one guy’s blood but not another’s? That dialogue probably sounded cool when they thought it up, but could have used a bit of doctoring. Maybe the key whatsits were actually generated by an implant in the banker guy’s body, and they have a naturally short life span, made worse by their distance from the source. Whatever - it was just a bit of harmless reverse-the-polarity technobabble that kept the plot moving along. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/192 "2020-04-07T12:15:05Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Maybe the key whatsits were actually generated by an implant in the banker guy’s body, and they have a naturally short life span, made worse by their distance from the source. Whatever - it was just a bit of harmless reverse-the-polarity technobabble that kept the plot moving along. And they already established that everybody has implants (or at least many people) so it nicely fits in with that, as well as making more sense at first glance. I completely agree it’s not a fatal flaw or anything and its narrative function is clear, just wish they could have had you script-doctoring the technobabble. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/193 "2020-04-07T12:45:41Z")
Or maybe I’m being a bit harsh on them for no reason. Yet technobabble is always going to sound like technobabble, and it makes no sense that the implant (or whatever) would pump out millions of stealable DNA keys instead of wirelessly authenticating directly, if it did they wouldn’t have a half-life of 20 minutes, more like a couple of days, etc. I can also think of many various ways to smooth that bit over, just saying maybe they should have too. On a different note, in _Neuromancer_ we also saw people (Case, Linda, Pauley, etc) getting digital constructs made of them will-they-nil-they, like William and who knows else in Westworld. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/194 "2020-04-07T14:45:09Z")
I really enjoyed this episode. I also really enjoyed the previous one. I thought people who didn’t like the season so far would have enjoyed it (yes, in spite of the dumb blood thing). I am surprised that they didn’t. The whole William are was fantastic - ending with him questioning his reality in a mental institution. I am a bit curious as to why Dolores still wants Bernard around. On one hand she did like to say Bernard keeps her honest, but he’s going to actively work against her. It’s a strange Professor X/Magneto relationship, so maybe she had a fondness for Bernard that ends up being her weak point. Also I hope that isn’t the last we’ve seen of Maeve. Though that Yakuza factory - they are making a host army, aren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/195 "2020-04-07T16:06:58Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > The whole William are was fantastic - ending with him questioning his reality in a mental institution. Right before William got carted off to the looney bin, did Charlotte/Dolores inject him with something, or remove something, or…? > [@](#): > > I am a bit curious as to why Dolores still wants Bernard around. On one hand she did like to say Bernard keeps her honest, but he’s going to actively work against her. It’s a strange Professor X/Magneto relationship, so maybe she had a fondness for Bernard that ends up being her weak point. She had a master plan, though (we probably need to see 1-2 more episodes to find out more about it). Bernard also suspected she had tampered with him in subtle ways. What did she say to Bernard upon activating him at the end of Season 2, what did she say to him in the most recent episode (and did the dialogue differ?), and what did she tell “Charlotte” when the latter asked why she brought back Bernard’s pearl? [Is there a good subtitles website to make a quick search easy?] About making a host army: Bernard did deduce that replacing individuals with hosts was part of her plan, but I got the impression she needed control of/access to Delos before she could make more pearls (she started out with just 4 extra Doloreses + Bernard) and she isn’t quite there. Then again, cranking out a bunch of terminators should be relative child’s play, and, remember, she already has a bunch of ED-209s… ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/196 "2020-04-07T17:56:12Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Big reveal?- that team Dolores is all Dolores? I saw that last epi. > > Still, lots more robots killing humans. I don’t really understand your reply. I am talking about the last episode. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/197 "2020-04-07T18:52:33Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > I don’t really understand your reply. I am talking about the last episode. Yes? So what big reveal were you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/198 "2020-04-07T20:24:03Z")
Are you asserting that Sunday’s episode didn’t have a big reveal that all 5 of the ‘pearls’ were copies of Dolores? Because every review I’ve read calls it a reveal. You may have guessed it beforehand, but it definitely was a reveal. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/199 "2020-04-07T22:00:40Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Are you asserting that Sunday’s episode didn’t have a big reveal that all 5 of the ‘pearls’ were copies of Dolores? Because every review I’ve read calls it a reveal. You may have guessed it beforehand, but it definitely was a reveal. No, I guessed that at least one was, and so certainly a reveal, but not eathershaking. ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565/200 "2020-04-07T23:46:39Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes? So what big reveal were you talking about? Yes I’m talking about all of them being Dolores. That’s what I meant by “the rest”, and to most people it was a big reveal because in all the discussions I’ve had with other viewers none of them ever suggested that all of them were Dolores. I didn’t say it was “earthshaking”. It was a big reveal though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/westworld-s3-show-spoilers-as-it-airs/835565.md?page=11)