# 'What a Wonderful World This Will Be'- By George W. Bush **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 5, 2000, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062 "2000-12-05T02:31:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/21 "2000-12-05T04:56:41Z")
There is nothing resembling a debate here. This isn’t the partisan nose-thumbing forum, nor is it the forum to share email forwards you get. I suppose I could comment on the acuracy of many of the claims in the song (off the top of my head, wasn’t Gore a solid C student as well?), but I’ve figured out by now that the OP has no interest in hearing opposing points of view, but rather masquerade derision as a debate. Also, I’d like to add that the damn “high fives” are getting prettty annoying. It’s not exactly like Gore supports are some sort of embattled minority here. Or rather that agreeing that Bush is an idiot is the sort of thing that really needs to be congratulated. ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/22 "2000-12-05T05:11:50Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ve noticed that among the partisans on this board, the Bush supporters are the first, the last, and near as I can tell, the only ones to resort to personal attacks and name calling as a form of argument. > [@](#): > > I anticipate seizing every possible opportunity to mock and deride our new Puppet-elect. > [@](#): > > I’ve noticed that among the partisans on this board, the Bush supporters are the first, the last, and near as I can tell, the only ones to resort to personal attacks and name calling as a form of argument. > [@](#): > > ## quote: > > ## Originally posted by jshore "Do the words “Even if he wins, he’s still an idiot!” mean anything to you? > > high five > > My point exactly! > > stoid > [@](#): > > I’ve noticed that among the partisans on this board, the Bush supporters are the first, the last, and near as I can tell, the only ones to resort to personal attacks and name calling as a form of argument. > [@](#): > > It was Bush who stole this election, by doing everything in his power to stop the legal system from working to determine the true vote count, right from Day One. And he won. Asshole. > [@](#): > > I’ve noticed that among the partisans on this board, the Bush supporters are the first, the last, and near as I can tell, the only ones to resort to personal attacks and name calling as a form of argument. > [@](#): > > Bush is barely taking note of anything going on around him. What a pathetic joke…he’s going to make Reagan look sharp. He’s going to be the 10th man to be president in my lifetime, and unquestionably the least qualified, able or deserving. He doesn’t even belong in the same room with the other 9, much less the Oval office. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/23 "2000-12-05T05:14:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DKW \* > \*\*I think a Bush presidency might be better for the country. \*\* I think you are right. For the reasons you mention, but also I look at it this way: no party holds the White house forever. The pendulum has to swing in the opposite direction at least occasionally. Better it should be Dubya under these circumstances that someone really smart and slick with a clean win. The fact is, if you take Al’s votes and Naders votes together, more Americans are to the left than right. Dubya won’t do much except be deeply annoying for the next couple of years, then we can take back Congress and in 4 the White House. I’ve known for awhile now that in the big picture we are better off with this result, but the gross injustice of it all has kept me from embracing the big picture wholeheartedly. By the way: **\** stoid ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/24 "2000-12-05T05:17:24Z")
Funny, where were all the people deriding **Stoidela** when the parody of Mr. Gore (set to the well-known tune about the fiddling contest between the devil and a good ol’ boy) was posted? One might have asserted ‘sore winner’? I thought it was funny, though I suspect it isn’t quite as original as the other. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/25 "2000-12-05T05:34:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kiffa \* > I shutter at the thought that they might be swept under the rug because no one wants to taint the party of the president-in-waiting. Not only do you have very strange ideas about the media’s willingness to ignore a very important story for the sake of a party they really haven’t showed much allegiance to, you have a rather strange reaction to those ideas. What exactly does it mean to shutter, anyway? DKW: I agree. By nominating Gore, the Democrats basically attempted to ransom the country, demanding that it allow them to choose whoever they wanted as president, or face the “horror” of a Bush presidency. If Gore had won, it would have shown the Democrats that they can nominate absolutely anyone they want and still win. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/26 "2000-12-05T05:34:52Z")
I don’t recall ever seeing such a thing. Perhaps you have a link? I might find it amusing, but as it’s probably as blindly partisan as this one, I would imagine that I’d simply skip it. Sure it’s all about fighting ignorance, but I figure others can adequately defend Mr. Gore from unfounded charges. Some battles are not for me to fight. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/27 "2000-12-05T05:39:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoidela \* > **Andros** > Given the title and that it was I who posted it, you might have had a good idea what kind of thread it was and avoided it. In other words, you have no problem with people ignoring you because you don’t have anything useful to say. Just as long as we’re clear on this. ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/28 "2000-12-05T05:55:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Funny, where were all the people deriding Stoidela when the parody of Mr. Gore (set to the well-known tune about the fiddling contest between the devil and a good ol’ boy) was posted? Think I could get a link to that?🙂 ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/29 "2000-12-05T16:00:56Z")
[Linkety-link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=47786) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/30 "2000-12-05T17:25:59Z")
**Freedom** : > [@](#): > > My fault, I thought the entire thread was snide. I was just trying to fit in 😃 Well, yes, but it was (at the time) just general snideness. I just wanted to avoid any _specific_ snideness. **Stoidela** : > [@](#): > > I put it here because it’s politcal and the mods have repeatedly moved all political threads here, so I thought I’d save them the trouble. Well, no. And no again. they’ve moved political _debates_ here. Not threads that are based in fluffspam and designed as a medium of hatred to someone you’ve never met. > [@](#): > > Given the title and that it was I who posted it, you might have had a good idea what kind of thread it was and avoided it. Let’s see . . . 1. Titles do not always, or even often, convey the substanse of a thread. 2. Who are you? I’ve avoided most of the political threads in the past few months. Are you someone important? I guess you’re a rabid Bush-hater, but I don’t pay enough attention to know to avoid you because of that. I do now, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/31 "2000-12-05T17:31:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Freedom2 \* > \*\*Do the words “sore loser” mean anything to you? \*\* Do the words “sore winner” mean anything to you? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Peyote_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/32 "2000-12-05T17:47:08Z")
"The fact is, if you take Al’s votes and Naders votes together, more Americans are to the left than right. Dubya won’t do much except be deeply annoying for the next couple of years, then we can take back Congress and in 4 the White House. " Stoidela, you are either so optimistic that you search every pile of shit for a pony or else you are a fuckin’ idiot. Do you honestly think all those old people in Palm Beach voted for Gore because they support gay rights and the Kyoto Treaty? Hell, no, most of them voted for Gore to protect their Social Security and Medicaid benefits. Go to the South and Midwest and you will find slews of Democrats who are just as conservative as the worst GOP mossbacks. In my own state of Indiana, we have Speaker of the House John Gregg, D.-Sandborn, who is pro-life; we have State Rep. Jerry “No Show” Denbo, D.-French Lick, who brags about being the most pro-NRA Democrat in the nation, and we have Gov. Frank “Mushmouth” Frank O’Bannon, who is trying to put a Ten Commandments monument on the statehouse lawn. If you came to many of the political gatherings I’ve attended in Indiaana and spouted your opinions, most of the Democrats would be as horrified and/or angry and/or amused as the Republicans. People voted for Gore for a number of reasons, including a desire to maintain peaceful, prosperous times. Most of them do not want to transform this country into the United Socialist States of America. Get a life, for Christ’s sake. And I hope to Jesus, Mithra, Allah and Yog-Sothuth this country never sees the Democrats control both the Presidency and the White House again. The last time that happened we had double-digit inflation, high unemployment and the government spraying Paraquat on marijuana plants. In fact I would rather vote a Communist for national office than a Democrat. The Communists are more honest about their economic policies and they are much better at fighting wars. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/33 "2000-12-05T20:33:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Peyote Coyote \* > \*\* > Stoidela, you are either so optimistic that you search every pile of shit for a pony or else you are a fuckin’ idiot. > \*\* Ahhh… more civilized discourse from the right side… It’s just so impressive when you guys resort to personal attacks and name calling! My beliefs, attitudes, and philosophies are simply shattered every time someone calls me an idiot…or even more effectively, a c\*\*t ! And of course, my respect for the opinions and arguments of people whose first line of of offense is the always devastating schoolyard taunt just goes right through the roof, as you might imagine. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Peyote Coyote \* > \*\* > People voted for Gore for a number of reasons, including a desire to maintain peaceful, prosperous times. > \*\* Yep. And that is what completely baffles me about people who voted for Bush. What exactly is it about peaceful, prosperous times that you don’t like? Unless, of course, it’s because you personally hate Clinton and by association, Gore. But that couldn’t be it, could it? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Peyote Coyote \* > \*\* > And I hope to Jesus, Mithra, Allah and Yog-Sothuth this country never sees the Democrats control both the _Presidency] and the White House_ again. > \*\* Gee… that’s what they’ve been doing for the past 8 years. How do you propose they might be separated? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/34 "2000-12-05T20:40:25Z")
> [@](#): > > This isn’t the partisan nose-thumbing forum… No, it’s the partisian mud-slinging forum. At least according to David B. 😉 Anyhow, we’ve had song parodies about our esteemed potential presidents in GD before, as xenophon noted, so I don’t see how this is any different. It’s too hot and/or political for MPSIMS and IMHO and not vile enough for the Pit (at least as it stands, and any attempt to get it moved to the Pit will be severly frowned upon). **The Peyote Coyote** > [@](#): > > Stoidela, you are either so optimistic that you search every pile of shit for a pony or else you are a fuckin’ idiot. [Moderator Hat ON] Nope, not here. Personal attacks belong in the Pit. BTW, Freedom2, I’d suggest that if you want to point out any of Stoid’s supposed personal hypocrisies at great length in multiple threads that you use the Pit for that purpose. I’d rather not see this forum interspersed with personal vendettas dragged in from other threads. [Moderator Hat OFF] ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2000, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/35 "2000-12-05T20:47:50Z")
Well, I thought it was funny. C’mon, Free-live a little. It’s silly, it’s funny. Have a party hat! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sterra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8c91f0/32.png) [@Sterra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterra)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2000, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/36 "2000-12-06T02:51:30Z")
I think the diffrence is stoids is alot less funnier than mine.🙂 I would suggest not trying to argue with totally irrational beings though. No point in it. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2000, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/37 "2000-12-06T03:37:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Yep. And that is what completely baffles me about people who voted for Bush. What exactly is it about peaceful, prosperous times that you don’t like? Unless, of course, it’s because you personally hate Clinton and by association, Gore. But that couldn’t be it, could it? Maybe people don’t consider good times as being something that occur because of the President. Maybe they consider the Republican Congress as much to blame, and want to extend the same line of thought to the Executive Branch. Maybe they consider that their good fortune is due in large part to their own effort, and want to be taxed less on the money they make. I’m also thinking that if were to accept the theory that conservatives are selfish, then it would be the conservatives that vote for Gore. This didn’t happen, so apparently conservatives are so blinded by hatred that they sacrifice their all-important selfishness. I guess the liberals have a hegemony on principles, selflessness, and rational thought. Sorry guys. > [@](#): > > And I hope to Jesus, Mithra, Allah and Yog-Sothuth this country never sees the Democrats control both the Presidency and the White House [sic] again. The last time that happened we had double-digit inflation, high unemployment and the government spraying Paraquat on marijuana plants. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you meant the Presidency and Congress. In which case, your recollection of '92 to '94 is rather different than mine. ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2000, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/38 "2000-12-06T03:58:06Z")
[quote] And I hope to Jesus, Mithra, Allah and Yog-Sothuth [quote] Definite Yoda discrimination. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/39 "2000-12-07T05:16:08Z")
Boy, you Bushies seem to have no sense of humor! Lighten up and laugh a little bit! Just to make ya’ll feel better, here’s a link to something that pokes fun at Gore: [http://www.theonion.com/](http://www.theonion.com/) A friend at work who voted for Bush sent me the link. And, actually I thought it was kinda funny. I didn’t tell him he was a sore winner. You Bushies have got to lighten up! ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-a-wonderful-world-this-will-be-by-george-w-bush/44062/40 "2000-12-07T05:24:57Z")
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