# What About Pouring Hogs Blood on Terrorist As A Preventative Measure? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 28, 2001, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311 "2001-09-28T15:11:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wildest\_Bill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Wildest\_Bill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildest_Bill)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/1 "2001-09-28T15:11:45Z")
I know ya’ll saying WHAT THE HECK??? But hear me out. I heard on a talk show the other day that a WWI general was having trouble with Islam terrorist killing off some of his troops so this is what he did. Supposably if you ever get hogs blood on you in the Islam religion, you can still go to Heaven but you can’t see Allah. And this really bothers them. So he rounded up a 100 terrorist, made them dig their own graves then poured hog’s blood all over them before he executed them. Then he let 10 go to tell the rest of their buddies what would happen to them if they did any more terrorism attacks. The terrorists attacks stopped. So I wonder would this be a good preventative measure to let terrorist know this will happen to them? Hey, I know it sounds goofy and kinda of warped but look who we are dealing with? And you are suppose to learn from history and it worked for this general maybe it would work for us. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/2 "2001-09-28T15:15:23Z")
Bill, what talk show as this? ---
**Author:** ![Wildest\_Bill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Wildest\_Bill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildest_Bill)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/3 "2001-09-28T15:19:00Z")
I am trying to remember. It is a national show and I think it comes on in my market now. I’ll try to sneak out in a little bit and find out. Does it not sound true or something? I really did hear it. ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/4 "2001-09-28T15:20:42Z")
It was on Radio Boomhauser: ‘80’s Hawg Heaven Classic’s’ ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/5 "2001-09-28T15:24:20Z")
It sounds like an urban legend to me-did you do a search? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/6 "2001-09-28T15:26:51Z")
While I agree with **Guin** that this story sounds a bit implausible (particularly with a claim for 100 Islamic terrorists in WWI), I am not at all sure why we want to insult _ **every single Islamic supporter we might POSSIBLY have** _ by being so disrespectful of their beliefs. Doing something that violates the beliefs of a different religion or culture does not win you friends among that culture. Do you think that the IRA would have stopped their actions in Northern Ireland if the Brits had forced each captured Prov to spit or urinate on a Eucharistic Host? Or, perhaps, would it occur to you that that would have earned Britain the condemnation of the Republic of Ireland–and Italy, Spain, France, Bavaria, Austria, Belgium, Portugal, and a whole number of non-Catholic nations that found the idea repulsive? Bill, have you ever considered thinking out the ramifications of your suggestions _before_ you posted them? ---
**Author:** ![Wildest\_Bill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Wildest\_Bill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildest_Bill)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/7 "2001-09-28T15:37:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > Doing something that violates the beliefs of a different religion or culture does not win you friends among that culture. Who cares? I would rather do without friends that steal our planes and crash them into office buildings. Are you forgetting these people are whaco nuts? Also are you saying it would upset every Muslim or just the radical ones if we did this? Because I thought the non violent ones don’t like these radical ones either? Am I wrong on this? > [@](#): > > Bill, have you ever considered thinking out the ramifications of your suggestions _before_ you posted them? \*\* What are you kidding? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/8 "2001-09-28T15:48:30Z")
Dang nice of you, WB, to state that all the Muslims in the world, to include those in the United States, not only “are whaco [sic] nuts” but also had a part in the terrorism of 9/11/01. A poster above asked if you thought out the ramifications of what you say. I ask if you thought. ---
**Author:** ![Wildest\_Bill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Wildest\_Bill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildest_Bill)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/9 "2001-09-28T15:57:40Z")
Monty, I didn’t say they(all Muslims) were whaco nuts. I said the terrorist are whaco nuts. I will say this again to prevent confusion. This is for the wacko nut radical Muslim terrorist not the non-violent Muslim people. Ok? I mean why would you want to pour hogs blood on an innocent person? I am talking about tried and convicted terrorist. You got to remember these people are NOT scarred to die. They live and die violently so they can the virgin chicks and so they see Allah. So maybe if we take away the thought of them seeing Allah they will think twice before they kill innocent lives again. Before start flaming really think about this maybe this could work. I mean if it is indeed NOT a urban legend then it HAS worked in the past. Also I believe the talk show host was Neil Boortz. I am not sure if he said it or a caller. But it sounded very factual. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/10 "2001-09-28T16:02:07Z")
**Bill** , think on this for a moment. Suppose, for a moment, that a self-proclaimed Christian terrorist was caught after bombing, say, a hospital. Suppose that we decided that Christian whackos needed to eb taught a lesson. So before we executed this terrorist, we made him piss on a Cross and wipe his ass on the Bible. Hey, he’s a nut, right? It shoudln’t piss _you_ off. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/11 "2001-09-28T16:05:59Z")
Well, FWIW, there DOES seem to be a known revulsion to pig blood amongst Muslims. [http://www.corpwatch.org/news/2001/0204.html](http://www.corpwatch.org/news/2001/0204.html) **In San Francisco, a plastic bag labeled as pig’s blood was thrown through the front door of Minority Assistance Services (MAS), an organization serving mostly Middle Eastern immigrants. According to San Francisco police, someone called the MAS office and said the package was "for your brother Osama bin Laden."** … [http://www.fresnobee.com/assault/reacts/story/841175p-900874c.html](http://www.fresnobee.com/assault/reacts/story/841175p-900874c.html) **A San Francisco mosque was spattered with pig’s blood. Two sisters in Detroit had their religious headdresses ripped off. A mosque was burned in Texas.** … [http://www.troid.org/jan/The%20Fatal%20Sins%20Part%204.htm](http://www.troid.org/jan/The%20Fatal%20Sins%20Part%204.htm) \*\*Fatal Sin Thirty: Eating Carion , Blood, Meat of Swine Allaah says I find not in the message recieved by me by inspiration any meat forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be dead meat, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine, for it is a abomination He who intentionally eats these kinds of meats unnessecarily is a criminal, and I think no pure Muslim who commits such a crime unless he is not a pure muslim but actually a Zanadikat al-Jabaliah and Tayamunah. All Muslims believe that eating pig’ s meat is a greater sin than drinking wine. It is said , rightly, that the Prophet said : Anybody that was grown on forbidden meat worths hell. All Muslims agreed that it is forbidden to play cards because The Prophet said : He who plays trick track dyed his hands with pig’s blood and meat. undoubtly dyeing the hands with pig’s meat and blood is greater than playing trick track, what do you say then about eating them? May Allaah protect us all with His mercy.\*\* … And this unusual op-ed piece, in which the author lays it on pretty thick. I quote a short excerpt from the article: [http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE\_ID=24691](http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24691) > [@](#): > > \*\*… So, you see, pigs are to Islamic terrorists – such as Osama bin Laden and his henchmen – what kryptonite is to Superman, or what garlic is to Dracula. > > Take Mohamed Atta, for example. > > The suspected ringleader of the Sept. 11 hijackers was so careful not to eat pork fat that he scraped the frosting from cakes. Here was a man more afraid of eating a hint of pork in a dessert than flying a jet full speed into a skyscraper. > > See where I’m going with this? > > Few in Washington want to admit it, but these Islamic fanatics have baited us into a holy war. And like it or not, we’ll have to use their religion against them to win. > > _Psychological warfare_ > > U.S. forces should start by dropping leaflets over Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, warning residents, in their native Persian tongue, that we’ve enlisted Afghani moles to contaminate their water supplies with pig’s blood. > > The propaganda would also warn that American soldiers have greased their bullets with pork fat. We could tell them, while we’re at it, that we’ve ordered special pigskin-lined fatigues for this mission …\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/12 "2001-09-28T16:07:46Z")
If the terrorists in question are “wacko nuts” and don’t have the traditional Muslim beliefs, why should we assume thay have the traditional Muslim beliefs regarding pig’s blood? ---
**Author:** ![Wildest\_Bill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Wildest\_Bill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildest_Bill)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/13 "2001-09-28T16:18:17Z")
Trion, Well because of the story I heard on the radio. But I could be wrong. But it seems from bordelond facts that they indeed do not like hogs blood. Andros, Nice try but you got to remember we are talking about radical Muslims them not us. They kill Christians all the time over there do you really think it would bother me to pour hogs blood on people that so violently could care less about human lives? Heck they don’t even value their own life. Don’t ya’ll understand this goes a lot deeper than them just hating the US. I mean this is a Holy War. ---
**Author:** ![NutWrench](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nutwrench/32/20193_2.png) [@NutWrench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NutWrench)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/14 "2001-09-28T16:27:39Z")
I seem to recall hearing a variation of this story a long time ago. Islamic fundmentialists had kidnapped several people and were threatening to execute them. A few of the terrorists were in custody. One of them was set free to deliver a message that if the hostages were not returned within an hour, his companions would be sewn up inside hog skins and buried alive. Apparently, you don’t get to see Allah if you smell like a Sausage McMuffin™. The hostages were quickly returned. ---
**Author:** ![Wildest\_Bill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Wildest\_Bill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildest_Bill)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/15 "2001-09-28T16:30:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NutWrench \* > Apparently, you don’t get to see Allah if you smell like a Sausage McMuffin?. > > \*\* 😃 ---
**Author:** ![NutWrench](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nutwrench/32/20193_2.png) [@NutWrench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NutWrench)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/16 "2001-09-28T16:36:43Z")
[http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1001/porkdrop.html](http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1001/porkdrop.html) See? Operation PORKDROP has been confirmed! Told ya! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/17 "2001-09-28T16:40:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Nice try but you got to remember we are talking about radical Muslims them not us. So, you’re saying it _would_ upset you to see someone forced to urinate on a cross or shit on the Word of God? Cone one, Bill, don’t weasel out buddy. You know it would enrage you. > [@](#): > > They kill Christians all the time over there Who is “they,” Bill? Who is killing Christians all the time? Muslims? No. Palestinians? No. WHO?? > [@](#): > > do you really think it would bother me to pour hogs blood on people that so violently could care less about human lives? You’ve made it quite clear that it would not bother you to rip someone’s throat out and wallow in their blood. > [@](#): > > Heck they don’t even value their own life. Again with the “they.” > [@](#): > > Don’t ya’ll understand this goes a lot deeper than them just hating the US. I mean this is a Holy War. Some people think they’re on a mission fron god, yes. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/18 "2001-09-28T16:41:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Wildest Bill \* > But I could be wrong. Naaah. You? Never! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![toadspittle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c0e974/32.png) [@toadspittle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toadspittle)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/19 "2001-09-28T16:49:33Z")
I believe that the operative word in the Koran’s admonition vs. eating forbidden foods is “intentionally.” IIRC from my reading of the Koran (about 2+ years ago now), if a Muslim is tricked into eating forbidden foods by his captors, or forced to eat it, the punishment does not apply. I’ll look for chapter and verse. ---
**Author:** ![toadspittle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c0e974/32.png) [@toadspittle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toadspittle)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311/20 "2001-09-28T16:56:03Z")
here: [http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/ot2www-koran?specfile=/lv2/english/relig/koran/www/koran.o2w&act=surround&offset=164892&tag=Koran.005&query=swine](http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/ot2www-koran?specfile=/lv2/english/relig/koran/www/koran.o2w&act=surround&offset=164892&tag=Koran.005&query=swine) > [@](#): > > 5.3: Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, and the strangled (animal) and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall and that killed by being smitten with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten, except what you slaughter, and what is sacrificed on stones set up (for idols) and that you divide by the arrows; that is a transgression. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion; \*\*but whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining willfully to sin, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. \*\* So if you’re starving to death and happen to come across a dead pig and eat it, most likely Allah will understand and forgive you. Likewise, I think, if some infidel chucks pig blood at you. So, Bill, we’d piss them off, but we wouldn’t put them in fear of their souls, I think. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-about-pouring-hogs-blood-on-terrorist-as-a-preventative-measure/84311.md?page=2)