Heh. Actually, I drank Macon-Villages the whole time I was there because it was the only thing I recognized. I’m pretty good at champagnes but terrible at normal wines. The extent of my knowledge is basically limited to knowing which varieties are reds and which are whites. I was surprised to see just how much of the wine available in Paris was red; there were at least four or five times as many reds as whites on every wine list.
There are two kinds of wine: Grapes and not-grapes. That is all.
There are as much white wines proposed as red wines, where you live, typically? I’ve always assumed the prevalence of red wines was universal.
Nothing to say about no-go zones, sorry, except that the Paris map with them on it greatly amused my coworkers. That’s the kind of things that, when reported here, fuel the stereotype of Americans being ignorant (it’s not like people have a clue about the peculiarities of Fox News).
Detailed analysis here:
Basically those are deprived inner city regions, not “no-go” zones:
Based on my experience of Paris and the US, I would rather hang out in those “no-go zones” than in the equivalent area of a US city. There is plenty of poverty, alienation, and crime in European cites, but I have seen nothing to compare to deprived US inner city areas.
FYI when a colleague from Japan was visiting our office in San Francisco he had a printed map from the Japanese consulate website, showing the “no-go” zones in San Francisco.
Even if they’re Muslims of MENA extraction? I understand that the question of whether such can be considered “really” French or not is one of the fault-lines in French politics.
Yeah, he told you that, but it’s really a map of the 'hoods with the highest concentration of gay bars.
At a minimum only if they identify themselves as French too. Many do not.
We are mostly talking about citizens here, aren’t we?
What they “identify as” doesn’t matter. If it says “FR” on their ID, then they’re fucking French. End of discussion. There is no Board of Frenchdom nor National Court on Righteous Frenchitude that I’m aware of, despite the tense current zeitgeist and talking heads making noise about the need to “track down, isolate and re-educate those who aren’t Charlie”.
I wish I was kidding about that one.
Fuck meeeeee. Once more I wish there was a way to shake the shit out of people over the Internet.
Aaaah, ok. Well why didn’t you just come out and say that in the first place ?
Yes, there absolutely are amorphous, mobile, undefined areas where, walking by, you can sometimes feel a sort of je ne Saïd quoi, an almost palpable yet undefinable dhimmitude. Naturally these zones being mobile and unacknowledged by our media, infidels tend to blunder into them and vanish in a puff of Shariah. The government hushes it all up.
Bold, underlined, italics, all caps, 98 point “cite ?”
The government needs to find out why these people are rioting and setting setting cars on fire or this problem will never go away but get much worse.
I’m sure it must be other factors than poverty.
Yes, in the sense that the American race riots of the 1960s and the Rodney King riot in LA involved “other factors than poverty.” But, also, nevertheless, always, always poverty.
It’s not poverty, per se, but poverty + a sense that there isn’t much of a chance for you the get out of poverty. Or, much of a chance to be seen as a “French” (or whatever nationality is relevant). Many blacks certainly felt that way in much of the US in the past, and a good number still feel that way, even if we don’t have Jim Crow anymore. You don’t usually see mass marches of poor white people in the US, for instance.
If you believe nationality is a mostly empty matter of strictly paperwork and juridical bureaucracy, or akin to belonging to a fitness club, savings club or Frequent Miles club or something, then yes. Most people put more into it than that. Many people have even been willing to risk life and die for their nation (La Résistance française for instance) - probably more than would be willing to die for their fitness club membership.
When you rule, you can institute the good ahnenpass idea to make sure the pure nationality idea is preserved
Since you mention la Resistance, then you should not forget the majority of the troops of the free french were muslim, Maghrebine of the same heritage and sometimes even the same families of those who immigrated later to the France. but no ahnenpass
It is funny to me again to see the assertions of what the french muslim identifies as, based on the wisdom of the white non french people with their great knowledge of the history of the France or the communities that came to the France.
and of course how quickly je suis Ahmed and the strong identification it had is forgotten and buried by people pretending they have some knowledge.
Kobal:
:^)
Of course, regardless of what citizenship “they” hold, the evidence is pretty clear that the overwhelming majority of “those people” are quite happy with being French. (In fact, in a number of areas, the majority of Muslim immigrants and their descendants are happier to be French than “native” French, as noted in these several polls that I have cited earlier.)
Rune’s “many” is vague enough to be true, for varying values of many, but any attempt to claim that there is a general problem in France with Muslims or Muslim immigrants is silly and not supported by facts.
white white white and Ahnepass… You are really tied to your dear racism aren’t you - and then you go full Nazi on me. je suis Godwin sounds more appropriate. Anyway, it’s hard to dig up a coherent argument in all your racism, perhaps you can frame it a little more precise if you have one.
Why do you feel the need to scare quote “they”? It clearly refers to “the people” of the post I quoted. When you just had two terror attacks in the same day, it’s hard to say there is not a problem. However I was speaking in general. I do not subscribe to the point of view that nationality can be reduced to a simple membership of an interest organisation and a letter on a passport.