What, about WWII, are the Japanese denying?

Prisoners of War are, by definition, not combatants.

TokyoBayer’s self-quoted post, I think, says all that really needs to be said to understand why the topic is still a hot one in Asia, on both sides.

Prisoners of War were looked down upon as less than human by the Japanese military, and civilian populations of defeated cities (“abandoned by their own”) were looked upon as even lower. However, this military culture was not particularly promulgated among the civilian population back at home, and the worst acts of cruelty were largely hushed up after the war instead of forced to the light by the Allies, to cement Japan as a regional Cold War ally against the Communists

My own (Chinese) family have contrasting wartime stories about the Japanese during the war. We are originally from Jiangsu Province, of which Nanjing is the capital. Both of my parents were born during the war, in 1935 and 1940. They recall stampedes of civilians with people trampled to death as they rushed for bomb shelter coverage during air raids, my grandfathers fought in the war, and grew up hearing horrible stories of what happened to civilians in Nanjing, and to captured soldiers.

I only met my grandfather in person once in my living memory, on a month-long visit to Taiwan when I was 10 where he had ended up after the Communist takeover, and asked him what happened to his leg.

He was in a “guerilla resistance group” fighting against the Japanese. One memorable time (a story which my grandmother recounted quite often), my grandparents barely escaped with their lives when the Japanese identified him as such and broke down the door of their house in the middle of the night to capture him. Fortunately their bedroom was in the rear of the house, and they managed to slip the net.

In a later incident, he was shot in the leg in the field (without my grandmother around) and captured. While awaiting “processing”, the leg became infected. A Japanese doctor who spoke some Chinese pulled him out and examined the leg, cleaned it out and stitched it up… Then, shortly before his turn for interrogation was to come up, allowed him to use the latrine, in a small garden area through a door with three one-story walls around it. Alone.

He did the obvious thing, and scrabbled up and over the wall to freedom. What with an injured leg and all it was not particularly easy, and he was pretty sure the doctor could hear what he was doing, but didn’t call for any guards.

So while cursing the Japanese army, he would always stop to honor “that Japanese doctor who saved my leg and my life”.

Is it being argued in this thread that it was all the fault of the militarists? In retrospect not surprising, given how a feudal society modernized so artificially and at such an accelerated rate: like bread dough made to rise with an air pump instead of natural leavening, leaving a lot of holes.

They were ready to absorb Hegel and Clauswitz, but had no native Voltaires, no Rousseaus, with the inevitable result. Meanwhile the average people were like ordinary people everywhere, just wanting to keep their heads down and get on with their lives. No book on Japan could ever be written as its counterpart to Hitler’s Willing Executioners.
Still, it was those same ordinary people who ran out and killed every Korean they could get their hands on after the 1923 earthquake.

I have often wondered why the Japanese officers killed and ate POWs.
Over how long a period was Japan modernized? Is there something in Japanese culture that condones eating prisoners or captives?

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Ha! It just goes to show what a duplicitous, sneaky bastard he was!

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I think that the story of Japanese cannibalism is only a misunderstanding.
When captured, the US soldiers asked their captors’ chef “Do you serve American GIs here?” Naturally, with the language barriers…

I think in a way the west did provoke Japan into becoming expansionist.

Remember for hundred of years Japan was quite content to sit quietly on its own islands and didnt bother the rest of the world. The US forced Japan to open itself up to trade with Admiral Perry in 1854.

Japan in the later 1800’s looked around while all of Asia and the south Pacific was being gobbled up by western powers. Ex. England taking over Australia, New Zealand, and India, then later China. France taking over Indonesia. The Netherlands with the East Indies. Spain took the Philippines and later the US, after defeating Spain, did the US hand it back to Filipino natives? No, the US took it over.

So one must ask, what right did the European powers have to come into Asia and take over territories and independent nations?

So Japan realized it must modernize and start grabbing territory themselves.

Actually the US did. wiki:

*The Jones Law (39 Stat. 545, c. 416), also known as the Jones Act, the Philippine Autonomy Act, and the Act of Congress of August 29, 1916, was an Organic Act passed by the United States Congress. The law replaced the Philippine Organic Act of 1902 and acted like a constitution of the Philippines from its enactment until 1934 when the Tydings–McDuffie Act was passed (which in turn led eventually to the Commonwealth of the Philippines and to independence from the United States). The Jones Law created the first fully elected Philippine legislature.

The law, enacted by the 64th United States Congress on August 29, 1916, contained the first formal and official declaration of the United States Federal Government’s commitment to grant independence to the Philippines,[1] and was a framework for a “more autonomous government”, with certain privileges reserved to the United States to protect its sovereign rights and interests, in preparation for the grant of independence by the United States. The law provides that the grant of independence would come only “as soon as a stable government can be established”, which was to be determined by the United States Government itself.

The law also changed the Philippine Legislature into the Philippines’ first fully elected body and therefore made it more autonomous of the U.S. Government…

Following the passage of the Philippine Independence Act in 1934, a Philippine presidential election was held in 1935. Manuel L. Quezon was elected and inaugurated second President of the Philippines on November 15, 1935. The Insular Government was dissolved and the Commonwealth of the Philippines was brought into existence. The Commonwealth of the Philippines was intended to be a transitional government in preparation for the country’s full achievement of independence in 1946.[2]

After the Japanese invasion and subsequent occupation of the Philippines during World War II, the United States recaptured the Philippines in 1945. According to the terms of the Philippine Independence Act,[2] the United States formally recognized the independence of the Republic of the Philippines on July 4, 1946.
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And Japan had a min-Empire at least as big as the USAs: They had been ceded Shandong (ceded back for treaty concessions, then taken back by force) and the South Pacific Mandate, and pretty much the West allowed them Manchukuo with only minor issues. But even without Manchukuo , just the Mandate would put them on a level with US “empire”.

Well except for the 11 million or so voters who voted for the ultra-nationalists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Restoration_Party.

Most people are blithely unaware, or only moderately aware, of the bad things their country/faction does. And if they are aware, they push it out of mind.

They saw what was happening to many other Asian countries that were not in an expansionist mode. They didn’t want to be a colony of a Western power, or to be forced to sign unequal treaties with Western powers the way China had. They knew about the British takeover of India and the “scramble for Africa”. They had tried throwing the foreigners out of Japan and not trading with them, and that didn’t work.

Really the only territory I feel was ok for taking over was Australia and only because it had no central government.

Well, not to point out the obvious, but their approach WAS working. Japan was never colonized and never beaten up the way China was.

They did this by building a strong navy and joining the Allies in WWI. Also, they had no natural resources to exploit.

But Japan wasn’t beaten the way China was - it was beaten the way Germany was.